5waller5 Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Two key points for me .... Not signing anyone would be less worrying if players improved under our coaching .... I can't remember the last player that did. By not signing players, having such a dour atmosphere and lack of expectation for the season will mean that we attract less crowds and fall short of FFP through decreased sales .... meaning we'll have to save even more!!!!
Dickov22 Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 I'm pretty depressed about no signings, but I believe we will bring a couple in before the season starts. Maybe loans. On a positive, at least we have kept hold of our better players (so far)
David Guiza Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Two key points for me .... Not signing anyone would be less worrying if players improved under our coaching .... I can't remember the last player that did. By not signing players, having such a dour atmosphere and lack of expectation for the season will mean that we attract less crowds and fall short of FFP through decreased sales .... meaning we'll have to save even more!!!! I agree there is a lot that haven't, but Matty James for starters, and arguably Kasper Schmiechel and Wes Morgan too.
indierich06 Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Two key points for me .... Not signing anyone would be less worrying if players improved under our coaching .... I can't remember the last player that did. By not signing players, having such a dour atmosphere and lack of expectation for the season will mean that we attract less crowds and fall short of FFP through decreased sales .... meaning we'll have to save even more!!!! Expectations and lack of signings will have no effect on the crowds over the entire season whatsoever, performances on the pitch and results will dictate ticket sales. If we're doing well for most of the season, attendances will be just fine. We shouldn't just sign players and put ourselves in more financial trouble to increase expectation because it might have an effect on the crowd if we don't.
seenitall Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 We haven't imposed our own transfer embargo, we are trying to ship players out to bring players in. That's our CHOICE, and quite clearly the sensible option. A choice that will be taken away from us should be fail to do it this year. Your "genius" is spend more money, get ourselves further up shit creak, with no nailed on promotion at the end of it, but definitely nailed on fines and actual embargos.... and you scoff at the decisions made my the club. Well I do generally scoff at decisions made by the club as without a doubt most of them in the past two seasons have been laughable.Please don't assume what my genius is......the point is, we have effectively embargoed ourselves and continue with the current policy of ever decreasing circles. A good manager, scout etc would have been looking for bargains, bringing in the beloved young and hungry from lower divisions or at least trying something. Or has everyone conveniently forgotten our disasterous form from Feb onwards? The players we have currently (or the ones in Niges gang at least) are not good enough for mid table......sort it out Top
Harry - LCFC Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Well I do generally scoff at decisions made by the club as without a doubt most of them in the past two seasons have been laughable. Please don't assume what my genius is......the point is, we have effectively embargoed ourselves and continue with the current policy of ever decreasing circles. A good manager, scout etc would have been looking for bargains, bringing in the beloved young and hungry from lower divisions or at least trying something. Or has everyone conveniently forgotten our disasterous form from Feb onwards? The players we have currently (or the ones in Niges gang at least) are not good enough for mid table......sort it out Top That is kind of what Pearson tried to do to be fair. And when you criticise them for not being good enough, well, that can be what happens when you have to get younger players for a lower price - they aren't always ready and they weren't last season. Perhaps they will be this time? I don't know. And I really struggle to see how our current squad aren't good for mid table. Are you saying the same team (with the exception of Keane) will go from 6th to 16th despite maturing as a group?
seenitall Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 That is kind of what Pearson tried to do to be fair. And when you criticise them for not being good enough, well, that can be what happens when you have to get younger players for a lower price - they aren't always ready and they weren't last season. Perhaps they will be this time? I don't know. And I really struggle to see how our current squad aren't good for mid table. Are you saying the same team (with the exception of Keane) will go from 6th to 16th despite maturing as a group? Look at the results between February and May - they are so far away from mid table it is frightening. They will need to mature quite a bit, perhaps working hard in training (why couldn't they do thiis last year?) might help but you can't polish a turd
indierich06 Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Look at the results between February and May - they are so far away from mid table it is frightening. They will need to mature quite a bit, perhaps working hard in training (why couldn't they do thiis last year?) might help but you can't polish a turd Why can't you ever look at results between the start and the end of the season, where we finished in the playoffs?
Babylon Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 A good manager, scout etc would have been looking for bargains, bringing in the beloved young and hungry from lower divisions or at least trying something. Or has everyone conveniently forgotten our disasterous form from Feb onwards? The players we have currently (or the ones in Niges gang at least) are not good enough for mid table......sort it out Top And how exactly would this brilliant manager and scout be doing that with no money. Where are all these players that play for free? The players finished 6th, so yes they are good enough to be around that point again. That is where we finished, the end. Why can't you ever look at results between the start and the end of the season, where we finished in the playoffs? Because that doesn't fit well with his rhetoric.
Leicester_Numan Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 So we should gamble on getting promoted (again) and fail to comply with FFP. If we don't get promoted we end up with a shed load more debt, a fine and a possible transfer embargo. If we get promoted, we get fined and slapped with a possible transfer embargo meaning we can't strengthen for the Premier League. Why would you want to gamble with the future of the club just for a shot at the Premier League? We all want to get there, we all wish there was an endless pot of money to get us the players we need, but that's just not the case any more. Seems like if you dare to suggest on here that we need to cut our cloth and work within the framework of FFP, you're called out for being unambitious. Not true at all, it's called realism and few people on here need a serious dose of it. No embargo if we're promoted, just a heavy fine which gets distributed among the other Championship clubs. The embargo is only if we break FFP restrictions and don't get promoted but obviously it'll pretty much kill our chances for the next season and probably for years as we drop further behind everyone else and our best players leave. Not worth the risk of gambling in my opinion
Harry - LCFC Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Look at the results between February and May - they are so far away from mid table it is frightening. They will need to mature quite a bit, perhaps working hard in training (why couldn't they do thiis last year?) might help but you can't polish a turd I fully agree that it was a exceptionally poor period but surely it's a bit of an exaggeration to suggest that those 17 games have turned us into a poor team? I prefer to assess a team over the course of a season, you can prove anything you want if you take the right sample size. For example, people often repeat the fact that we were top at one point but of course you would rightly counter by saying that that is irrelevant as that is not where we finished at the end of the season. By the same token that Feb-May period proves little as it does not represent the team's performance over the whole season. We finished 6th over the whole season. That is what the team should be assessed on. It's been asked of you already but why do you insist on judging the team on the Feb-May period rather than all 46 games (which is what really matters)?
Happy Fox Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 We are being tipped by Ipswich to win the league http://www.twtd.co.uk/blogs/21353/14-a-foolhardy-forecast? Foolhardy though it may be (didn’t Yogi Berra say “Forecasting is difficult. Especially about the future�), this contributor has fallen foul of the temptation to make a forecast on the outcome of the 2013/14 season. The forecast result is found at the end. Before you conclude that this forecast is arrant nonsense and just a mishmash of subjective preferences, let me first set out the formal framework and analytic approach applied to reach this result. Each team’s prospects were evaluated under five headings, each of which is believed to have direct impact on performances and results. Other influences could have been chosen, but the view was taken that the last four of these five are persistent and tangible all season long, and the first has an important bearing on at least the opening quarter. Hence, all five are key determinant variables. Issues like suspensions and injuries always play a role too but, over a season, probably even themselves out across the 24 clubs. The five categories adopted are: (1) The team’s momentum during the last quarter of the previous season and final league positions. (2) The current manager: his overall track record; and performance and prospects at the club. (3) The first team squad: squad quality; team balance, cohesion & resilience; likely net improvements through new additions. (4) The club’s owners: their approach to managing the club, its finances, and all footballing matters. (5) The ‘12th Man’: impact of the club’s supporters and match crowds on the club and team. A score of between one and five was awarded to each category per club, so that a total score of 25 was possible. No weighting of the scores per category was made as it was considered an unhelpful complication. To attain a final league ranking, where two teams had equal points, prime position was awarded to the side assessed to have the superior manager, as recent season end results in the Championship demonstrate that outcomes are positively correlated with the quality of manager (eg Malky Mackay, Steve Bruce, Ian Holloway and Mick McCarthy from last season). Championship Season 2013-14 Final League Table Rankings forecast, points, out of 25, allotted in parenthesis. 1/ Leicester City (21) 2/ Watford (20) 3/ Queens Park Rangers (19) 4/ Nottingham Forest (19) 5/ Ipswich Town (18) 6/ Sheffield Wednesday (18) 7/ Bolton Wanderers (18) 8/ Birmingham City (18) 9/ Reading (17) 10/ Wigan (17) 11/ Derby County (17) 12/ Brighton (16) 13/ Middlesboro (16) 14/ Leeds United (16) 15/ Barnsley (15) 16/ Charlton Athletic (15) 17/ Burnley (14) 18/ Yeovil (12) 19/ Blackburn Rovers (12) 20/ Doncaster Rovers (11) 21/ Bournemouth (11) 22/ Millwall (11) 23/ Huddersfield Town ( 9) 24/ Blackpool ( 9) Commentary on Top Six Resilient and consistent playing style, team performances and tight defences are the hallmark of successful sides over 46 games. Attaining these attributes comes incrementally, not overnight. That is why the top six is headed by Leicester City. They have been doing all the right things under Nigel Pearson in the back end of last season and arguably have the strongest squad. They squeeze ahead of Watford because the latter concedes too many goals.
Leeds Fox Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 The fact that Pearson has brought in youngsters previously, with an obvious view to develop them should mean we don't need to make too many signings. The point some have made about bringing more young, hungry players in isn't too important as it is likely these would be bit-part players, or not being promotion standard yet. We finished (scraped) 6th last season. Hopefully the younger lads will have learned from any mistakes, and we will be stronger with the same squad this season. Hopefully with one or two signings to bolster the squad and create a bit of competition. We'll be fine, life as a Leicester fan is a roller coaster, but you always manage to get off of a roller coaster safe and sound, albeit a little scared along the way!
Leicester_Numan Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 We are being tipped by Ipswich to win the league http://www.twtd.co.uk/blogs/21353/14-a-foolhardy-forecast? Foolhardy though it may be (didn’t Yogi Berra say “Forecasting is difficult. Especially about the future�), this contributor has fallen foul of the temptation to make a forecast on the outcome of the 2013/14 season. The forecast result is found at the end. Before you conclude that this forecast is arrant nonsense and just a mishmash of subjective preferences, let me first set out the formal framework and analytic approach applied to reach this result. Each team’s prospects were evaluated under five headings, each of which is believed to have direct impact on performances and results. Other influences could have been chosen, but the view was taken that the last four of these five are persistent and tangible all season long, and the first has an important bearing on at least the opening quarter. Hence, all five are key determinant variables. Issues like suspensions and injuries always play a role too but, over a season, probably even themselves out across the 24 clubs. The five categories adopted are: (1) The team’s momentum during the last quarter of the previous season and final league positions. (2) The current manager: his overall track record; and performance and prospects at the club. (3) The first team squad: squad quality; team balance, cohesion & resilience; likely net improvements through new additions. (4) The club’s owners: their approach to managing the club, its finances, and all footballing matters. (5) The ‘12th Man’: impact of the club’s supporters and match crowds on the club and team. A score of between one and five was awarded to each category per club, so that a total score of 25 was possible. No weighting of the scores per category was made as it was considered an unhelpful complication. To attain a final league ranking, where two teams had equal points, prime position was awarded to the side assessed to have the superior manager, as recent season end results in the Championship demonstrate that outcomes are positively correlated with the quality of manager (eg Malky Mackay, Steve Bruce, Ian Holloway and Mick McCarthy from last season). Championship Season 2013-14 Final League Table Rankings forecast, points, out of 25, allotted in parenthesis. 1/ Leicester City (21) 2/ Watford (20) 3/ Queens Park Rangers (19) 4/ Nottingham Forest (19) 5/ Ipswich Town (18) 6/ Sheffield Wednesday (18) 7/ Bolton Wanderers (18) 8/ Birmingham City (18) 9/ Reading (17) 10/ Wigan (17) 11/ Derby County (17) 12/ Brighton (16) 13/ Middlesboro (16) 14/ Leeds United (16) 15/ Barnsley (15) 16/ Charlton Athletic (15) 17/ Burnley (14) 18/ Yeovil (12) 19/ Blackburn Rovers (12) 20/ Doncaster Rovers (11) 21/ Bournemouth (11) 22/ Millwall (11) 23/ Huddersfield Town ( 9) 24/ Blackpool ( 9) Commentary on Top Six Resilient and consistent playing style, team performances and tight defences are the hallmark of successful sides over 46 games. Attaining these attributes comes incrementally, not overnight. That is why the top six is headed by Leicester City. They have been doing all the right things under Nigel Pearson in the back end of last season and arguably have the strongest squad. They squeeze ahead of Watford because the latter concedes too many goals. We're doomed
Babylon Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 having such a dour atmosphere and lack of expectation for the season will mean that we attract less crowds and fall short of FFP through decreased sales .... meaning we'll have to save even more!!!! Like you told us would happen with season ticket sales under miserable old Nigel (sales have gone up).
Babylon Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 1) A rational spend would lead to a rational end product both in a Footballing and Financial aspect. 2) FFP does'nt mean you CANT invest, and if it's done with good planning then the risk and any subsequent fine would be small. Just shutting up shop will be even worse in my opinion. 1) What? You do know that there are no guarantees don't you, that we might not go up and could end up banned from making signings? Now clearly you don't want that as you are currently stating we should spend money and break the rules to do just that. 2) The risk would be small? Only three teams get promoted, the odds of us being in this league this time next season are much greater than us not. We are not shutting up shop, we are trying to get our house in order. You talk about rational spending but seem to ignore the fact we are in this state because of irrational spending and the many players sat earning irrational amounts for average players. It seems fairly blooming obvious that the most sensible route is to sort out our finances whilst staying competitive (the squad we have was a missed penno from Wembley so it's more than possible). Next summer we will lose lots of high earning players on bloated wages. Then will come the point (if we are still in this league) that our large crowds and turnover start to give us an advantage. (our turnover was £21.4m, forest for example were about £14m). Spending now will pretty much consign us to a transfer ban at exactly the time we would be able to start taking advantage of our size.
kingfox Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 We are being tipped by Ipswich to win the league That is why the top six is headed by Leicester City. They have been doing all the right things under Nigel Pearson in the back end of last season and arguably have the strongest squad. They squeeze ahead of Watford because the latter concedes too many goals. Strongest Squad. When did that happen?
Babylon Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Strongest Squad. When did that happen? Probably when we hammered 6 past them.
kingfox Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Probably when we hammered 6 past them. forgot about that. Even Futacs scored that day. But sorry for sounding negative, but I honestly wouldn't be surprised if Ipswich finish above us.
Super_horns Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Cannot really predict this league with confidence can you!
Harry - LCFC Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Cannot really predict this league with confidence can you! Especially with your lot! What's poppin' at the Vic these days anyway?
Babylon Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Cannot really predict this league with confidence can you! Here is one... anyone can beat anyone, and they will do.
5waller5 Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 Like you told us would happen with season ticket sales under miserable old Nigel (sales have gone up). We're told that season tickets have gone up ..... Do you know any new season ticket holders??? I only know people cancelling them after years .... This is one thing i just do not believe. Hopefully we're pumping a few mill into the club by buying our own tickets .... after all it's only like buying you're own shares to drive the price up!
indierich06 Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 We're told that season tickets have gone up ..... Do you know any new season ticket holders??? I only know people cancelling them after years .... This is one thing i just do not believe. Hopefully we're pumping a few mill into the club by buying our own tickets .... after all it's only like buying you're own shares to drive the price up! Honestly, some of the stuff you come out with...
Finnaldo Posted 16 July 2013 Posted 16 July 2013 We're told that season tickets have gone up ..... Do you know any new season ticket holders??? I only know people cancelling them after years .... This is one thing i just do not believe. Hopefully we're pumping a few mill into the club by buying our own tickets .... after all it's only like buying you're own shares to drive the price up! So you think the club are lying and pretending we sold more than we actually have. In regards to the second point, we do not get our money back at the end of the year do we? The money goes to the club, and works towards FFP. What planet do you live on?
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