Guest kristianity77 Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Whilst at the moment I think O'neill reigns king when it comes to Leicester, you have to hold your hat off to Pearson as hes is doing what he is in a different era of football. I know we are only talking 15 odd years but I think that any kind of success is harder to come by now than it was in the late 90s. The championship for me is a hell of a lot more difficult to get out of than it was in the 90s so credit to Pearson there and the premiership if we get there will be a hell of a lot more difficult to stay in as there is way more money floating around even amongst the bottom sides which will initially make it harder to compete. If Pearson can get us mid table finishes in the premiership, then that would be an amazing job worthy of being ranked alongside O'neill.
bovril Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Whilst at the moment I think O'neill reigns king when it comes to Leicester, you have to hold your hat off to Pearson as hes is doing what he is in a different era of football. I know we are only talking 15 odd years but I think that any kind of success is harder to come by now than it was in the late 90s. The championship for me is a hell of a lot more difficult to get out of than it was in the 90s so credit to Pearson there and the premiership if we get there will be a hell of a lot more difficult to stay in as there is way more money floating around even amongst the bottom sides which will initially make it harder to compete. If Pearson can get us mid table finishes in the premiership, then that would be an amazing job worthy of being ranked alongside O'neill. I'm not sure that's true. The Premiership is very top heavy. It's almost impossible now to break into the top 6, but if you look at some of the sides that have established themselves as mid table - lower half over the last 5 or 6 years, I don't think it will be a huge ask for a club of our size to do the same.
Webbo Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 We should only judge Pearson on what position we finish. It wouldn't be fair to expect him to win the League cup as the big clubs take it a lot more seriously these days.
_Fatboyslow_ Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 His potential is immense because he's a clearly intelligent man who never blinds himself to the idea of learning and improving. He a thoughtful, controlled man but it's clear from his many interests that he's not at all boring, has a dry and mischievous sense of humour and would, I'd imagine, be excellent company in most any situation - apart from perhaps, after he'd seen us lose and play badly. He's a prudent man not a Flash Harry - the sort of guy who'll probably work more comfortably with honest but capable of improving players rather than some of the more arrogant and self-centred superstars but even then I think he'd adjust and eventually recognise/find out which of the top players earned their corn and were comfortable to work with and those who were self,self, self and take, take, take. Development wise there were so many clues to Pearson's potential last season. We started brilliantly, played some scintillating football and eventually went top of the League before it all fell to pieces. This season, in his own words, we're "better prepared" and he's seen to that. We've a tighter but more talented squad and one capable of much greater consistency because - at championship level - there are no glaring weaknesses and there's much more cover in most positions. Others have mentioned that the team's a year older and footballers love to feel comfortable within a unit and to have confidence that everyone in the side is capable and willing to give their all. Partnerships matter too. They take time to develop but we seem to have a number now and each seems to compliment others around them. At one time there were so many weaknesses - in our personnel, our preparation, our individual shortcomings, our tactics, our philosophy and our ruthlessness but, gradually, Pearson has addressed those things and while he'll doubtless continue to make localised mistakes the pace of progress has been commendable to the point of outstanding since he's been here. Our club has got its pride back, we're playing a lot of the sort of committed attacking football I've been pleading to see us playing again, we're managing our resources soundly and we seem to be building on rock for the future - something for which our owners deserve praise as well as our manager and his staff. I wondered if I'd ever be able to say it at times but Pearson's been mighty close to a 10/10 rating this season - together with the team alongside him. Furthermore I don't thing we'll be whipping boys if we go up. Preparations will be in hand for any promotion and I think we'll be much more like Southampton. Happy days! . But I thought he just came back for the money
Grewks Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Impossible to tell yet, and probably ever. MON never had the backing which NP has, and will have next year. On the other hand, he never had the extent of mess left from a previous manager, and more importantly the expectation. Can we not just agree that both managers have had a huge positive impact upon the club?
Mickey O'Neil Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 He will be better than o'neill IMO but I think all will be decided when we go up I agree. He will better MON if he's given time. I think it'll take longer to better him though and looking at Bovril's post, there's a lot to achieve. Saying that, we have an excellent management team with an excellent board. Pearson and his backroom staff HAVE to be given time. *IF* we go up, I'd hope our owners stick by Pearson no matter what. We need stability. Pearson is the future!! Look at Charlton when they wanted 'boring' Curbishley out.
Strokes Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 We should only judge Pearson on what position we finish. It wouldn't be fair to expect him to win the League cup as the big clubs take it a lot more seriously these days.Not really, Birmingham, Swansea and Wigan have all won the cups in recent years. I can't see why it is beyond us.
weller54 Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Pearson is a winner!.. I just hope we keep the faith in him.. He inherited a bunch of overpaid Sven acquired players.. Matt Mills being top of the untalented list!... It's taken a long time to shake out the deadwood but we're nearly there now.. Pearson 's replacements have mostly been exceptionally prudent. I think we have a squad that needs little adding to compete in the premier league.. We are extremely fortunate to have such a talented Manager at the helm!
Jace Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Huge potential, very different from O Neill who motivation was the key to his success, Pearson is extremely organised and efficient I would expect him to become the next Tony Pulis of the Premiership. Considering his age, his commitment to the club and the financial backing we have at the club right now we have more opportunity ahead of us than we did with O Neill will be interesting to see what happens
Webbo Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Not really, Birmingham, Swansea and Wigan have all won the cups in recent years. I can't see why it is beyond us. Fair point.
lavrentis Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 IMO he's better than Micky Adams was for us(even though I love Micky). At least with nige, he's building the future whereas Micky didn't/couldn't with his funds
AyewJoking Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 been impressed with the way he's ironed out the creases in the squad (probably not all down to him). the owners have been patient with him and that has paid off. will be interesting to see if he is willing to sign big ego's on big wages which we will need to compete in the premiership (should we get promoted that is, dont want to offend any derby or forest wánkers)
bovril Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Huge potential, very different from O Neill who motivation was the key to his success, Pearson is extremely organised and efficient I would expect him to become the next Tony Pulis of the Premiership. Considering his age, his commitment to the club and the financial backing we have at the club right now we have more opportunity ahead of us than we did with O Neill will be interesting to see what happens Again I don't think this is true. O'Neill brought in great players, players who knew exactly what they needed to do on the pitch. We need to give these guys more credit, they were quality footballers who finished in the top ten four seasons in a row. I'm sorry we can't even begin to compare the two eras yet.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 Steady on. O'Neill established us as a top 10 Premiership side, won two trophies and got us into Europe. Pearson doesn't come close at the moment. He's had decent resources at his disposal and used them well. I'm really impressed with what Pearson's achieved, but O'Neill had us punching above where we have always historically been as a club.This
bovril Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 I think Pearson's more likeable than O'Neill. MON always came across as a bit weird, a bit obtuse, a bit annoying. Never really forgave the fans for calling for his head. A smart arse, anti-social Ulsterman who just had an odd gift for finding young or out of favour players and molding them into a brilliant team that arguably could've challenged for the top four had he stayed on. Pearson is more your proper bloke, ****s up Romanian dogs, could fix your roof. You'd leave your kids with him. He'll probably end up more popular than MON but more successful? I doubt it. We also live in hugely nostalgic times and there's always that need to say this is as good as it was all those years ago, like when a bunch of skinny white kids with guitars come along and everyone says "this is it, this is the new Beatles / Jam / Roses". Sorry to disappoint the younger generation, but from 96-2000 we were bloody brilliant and this team don't come close..... yet.
leicesterseddon Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 I love Nige but I don't think he'll be able to be as successful as MON. I agree - with 'able to' an interesting part of the sentence. So much has changed in the PL since we were last there - not to take the shine off what MON did, but I certainly think it was easier back in his day for a club like us to break into the top 8 than it is now. What he did will be incredibly difficult to replicate.
sylofox Posted 2 February 2014 Posted 2 February 2014 BIG question where would we be now if they had gave mon the 25mil PT pissed up the wall. PT took us top of the prem sold Lennon and it all went wrong. Where would we be now if we had Lineker Weller Walsh and Elliott? NP needs to perform in the prem before he can be judged against MON. Take away the cups we had 4 top 10 finishes in those years only 5 clubs managed that us Chelski Man U Arsenal and Liverpool. He will be a great if he takes us up but better than MON that IMO will take 4 years and praps 6 or 8 without cups. Factor in MON'S hands were tied as to spending something I don't see happening if we go up with NP.
Corky Posted 3 February 2014 Posted 3 February 2014 He has a lot of potential no doubt, signs a lot of young players and puts out very competitive teams. He's got a 50% win ratio with us, that's a fantastic effort (and I'm sure will improve this season). He can also mix it up, we do play some spoiling football and negative stuff at times but he can produce some fabulous, free-flowing football that rips teams apart. If we go up this season he'll have had two promotions and two play-offs in four full season with us, that suggests a man who knows what he is doing and is cutting his teeth lower down the leagues to understand different players, budgets, expectations.
ozleicester Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 With those white shoes... he can walk on water.
foxfanazer Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 Nige is perceived by many as being very old school in his approach to management which in some ways is true. However is very keen on modern methods ie; sports science. I don't think Nige would like to be compared to MoN anyway and for me its not important. So much has changed in football in that time I honestly wouldn't want anybody different in charge of my club. Top manager!
Wycombe Fox Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 As an aside, Saturday's game at Bournemouth took NP past MON's 222 games a City manager, over two spells. According to Wiki, NP's record is 223 managed, won 111, drawn 54, lost 58, win % 49.8%.
TrentFox Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 As an aside, Saturday's game at Bournemouth took NP past MON's 222 games a City manager, over two spells. According to Wiki, NP's record is 223 managed, won 111, drawn 54, lost 58, win % 49.8%. My OCD desperately needs him to win on Saturday !!!
Babylon Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 As I said at the end of last year, whilst Pearson isn't a young manager, he was still fairly inexperienced compared to some of his peers. I think I used Billy Davies as an example at the time, Pearson is actually a year old than Davies, but other than a few fleeting games in charge at Carlisle, Newscastle, West Brom, and Southampton. His first season with us was his first full season in charge anywhere I think. Where as Davies had already been manager at Motherwell, Preston and Derby and had just started at Forest. So there is a lot of potential for him to learn, improve and adapt still.
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 His potential is immense because he's a clearly intelligent man who never blinds himself to the idea of learning and improving. He a thoughtful, controlled man but it's clear from his many interests that he's not at all boring, has a dry and mischievous sense of humour and would, I'd imagine, be excellent company in most any situation - apart from perhaps, after he'd seen us lose and play badly. He's a prudent man not a Flash Harry - the sort of guy who'll probably work more comfortably with honest but capable of improving players rather than some of the more arrogant and self-centred superstars but even then I think he'd adjust and eventually recognise/find out which of the top players earned their corn and were comfortable to work with and those who were self,self, self and take, take, take. Development wise there were so many clues to Pearson's potential last season. We started brilliantly, played some scintillating football and eventually went top of the League before it all fell to pieces. This season, in his own words, we're "better prepared" and he's seen to that. We've a tighter but more talented squad and one capable of much greater consistency because - at championship level - there are no glaring weaknesses and there's much more cover in most positions. Others have mentioned that the team's a year older and footballers love to feel comfortable within a unit and to have confidence that everyone in the side is capable and willing to give their all. Partnerships matter too. They take time to develop but we seem to have a number now and each seems to compliment others around them. At one time there were so many weaknesses - in our personnel, our preparation, our individual shortcomings, our tactics, our philosophy and our ruthlessness but, gradually, Pearson has addressed those things and while he'll doubtless continue to make localised mistakes the pace of progress has been commendable to the point of outstanding since he's been here. Our club has got its pride back, we're playing a lot of the sort of committed attacking football I've been pleading to see us playing again, we're managing our resources soundly and we seem to be building on rock for the future - something for which our owners deserve praise as well as our manager and his staff. I wondered if I'd ever be able to say it at times but Pearson's been mighty close to a 10/10 rating this season - together with the team alongside him. Furthermore I don't thing we'll be whipping boys if we go up. Preparations will be in hand for any promotion and I think we'll be much more like Southampton. Happy days! . And he's done all this without bringing through all of your beloved academy players!
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 February 2014 Posted 4 February 2014 None of us have a clue about Pearson's potential. Babs is quite right. Pearson remains a relatively inexperienced manager and certainly this season appears to have learnt and developed. He may well continue to do so. For me, Pearson's strengths are these: - he seems an excellent man manager. He doesn't seem to take any shite and, like Fergie, if you give it the billy big bollox, you're out the door. - he builds a squad. He doesn't just buy a group of disjointed misfits, instead he takes his time and plans. - he develops a mixed blend of youth and experience. - he seems to have a good sense of humour. I think the players enjoy working with him. However.... unlike many, I think there's a big big gulf between the Championship and most of the Premiership. You pretty much have to hit the ground running. If not, you can easily find yourself on the back end of successive losses, morale and confidence get knocked and you're playing catch up. Nige has never managed at this level, has never had a big transfer kitty to play with and has always been pretty successful as a manager. If we go up, and its likely we will, its going to be fascinating to see what Pearson will do. Will he go for any 'big names'? Will he stick with the somewhat dated 4-4-2. Who will be in, who out? I'm itching to see whether both the players and Pearson can make that step up. My feeling is that we will probably just about be ok.
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