Hungry Hungry Fox Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Poor bloke. He's shown more loyalty to this club than some so called "fans"
Alf Bentley Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Thats what people think, because Dyer is at his best when he has space and 1 on 1 with his full back.. People realise how dangerous he is so they double up. This is why recently hes been ineffective. We still win because we have a good squad and can make the most of the extra guy in the rest of the field. Dyer on the pitch helps this, he balances the team out and is key for the rest of the team. Without him on the pitch the opposition arnt half as worried. They dont double up and they have an extra attacking influence on the RW(because he isnt as worried at coming back). This for me is why Konchesky hasnt been a liability more often because hes had less threat game to game. In games where we might drop points anyway(Burnley away, Wigan away etc), maybe take him off and see Mayrez, then if we dont win it wouldnt be so obvious, but if we take him off in a banker, like Charlton at home, itll be a waste of 2 or 3 points to mess it up by replacing one of our top players this year. Good post. Also, something that Lloyd has done a lot better this season than any other is passing to team-mates when he's closed down too much to launch a meaningful attack - using "the extra guy in the rest of the field", as you correctly say. Lloyd's team-play and passing have come on massively this season, I think. His work ethic and tackling/interventions are also much better than average for a winger. Call me a sentimentalist, but I find it quite moving to think of the prospect of Lloyd walking out onto the pitch for a Premier League match, in the closing years of his career, in a Leicester City shirt, after 6 years establishing himself and then making a name for himself here. I suspect that he may well be a player for whom things don't come as easily, psychologically, as they do for some others. I still remember his first couple of seasons and the frequency with which he'd end the match walking off with Pearson's arm around his shoulder, NP apparently giving him a pep-talk, reassuring him that he was/is indeed a good player. Likewise, the game at Northampton in 08-09 when he'd taken a bit of stick, scored and ran the length of the pitch swirling his shirt above his head (I'm not imagining that, am I?) OK, he's not brilliant every game - and could have had no complaints about being subbed after an hour yesterday. However.... A great servant to this club, who has made a massive contribution this season (his best ever) and deserves a lot of respect.
lgfualol Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Has he got that new contract yet? He's probably depressed he might be out of a job in a few months.
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Lots of comments about Lloyd playing with a lack of confidence lately?.. Why should this be when the team is flying so high?? He cant do his very best speeds on heavy pitches, so yes, leave him alone
deanolegend1989 Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Top Post Alf Bentley. Hes been class ever since he got here and tbh Ive always known he was capable of this. He shows flashes but this season alot more consistent to the point where people think maybe hes improved? I think maybe Pearson has said on little things to improve, like as you say, when to pass and keep the ball and the defencive side of the game etc...bu I feel hes always been a top player and just has had a lot of rubbish said about him and managers who have chosen to not play him consistently. I remember him playing for West Brom when he was younger and showed glimpses of class even then, when we signed him from MK Dons I remember thinking 'wow, hes far too good for these leagues' everyone seemed suprised with his 11 goals from the wing but really hes never looked back. Like you said, it seems things come harder for Lloyd due to the wierd reason people love to critise him(for example even games where Lloyd hasnt been great, others have been worse yet Lloyd gets subbed off). Whilst I admit, 'technically' hes doesnt look as polished as say a Knocky does he has scored alot more goals and alot better goals than most players I can think of in a Leicester shirt. The way hes built and kicks the ball he doesnt look a 'steriotype footballer' so course people will judge but hes alot better than most think. Add this to the fact he reads the game well as a winger, his decision making is alot better, his defencive work is unseen(maes Konchesky look alot steadier than he is in reality), goal scoring has improved greatly, his vision and execusion of passes is very good(alot of assists) + his lighting pace hes actually a very gifted all round footballer who could quite easily play in the Premier League next year IMO.
MattGamble92 Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Think it's a great example of some of our so called fans that Lloyd can be singled out in the way he is. People around me have had a witch hunt in for him as long as i can remember. Even laughing at him at every misplaced pass. I cannot understand it at all, especially for a player who clearly loves the club.
jammie82uk Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Just to make the point clear from the start I am a fan of Lloyd and like many have said and I agree with he's been having an excellent season But we can't let that cloud our judgement Of his performances lately he has had a fair few poor games for whatever reason be it the pitch conditions or oppositions doubling up on him If we don't find an effective way to get him in to the game more regularly we are effectually giving the opposition an advantage by him being marked out the game
Leicesterpool Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 I think Dyer needs a rest, let him have next weekend off! might do him the world of good and bring him back for the trip to Barnsley.
Turnofthefox Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Strangely enough the worst player and the rabbit in the headlights for Ipswich was there right back. How many times did he give the ball away or kick it in to touch! I am not defending Dyer as he didnt have a good game but just because of his pace he scares the defence. Odd that when Mhyrez came on he went to the right wing and Knocky got switched to the left. Would suggest to me that we dont have cover for the left wing only the right. Left footed wingers are hard to come by, right footed on the left wing lacks the cutting edge as you lose momento when they have to cut in. Just my opinion, obviously will be wrong to sum on here who seem to always know better
Guest ttfn Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Sorry but other players get stick, as does the team. Look at Nugent, as a main example. Then again, most of the squad has been solid and won't get stick. Dyer's had a great season, I agree, but that shouldn't prevent Mahrez getting a start - I think he deserves one. Form fluctuate at times with certain players and Dyer is obviously struggling at the minute. Thing is about Llyod, when he is off form it is noticeable so much. There. As I said pre-Ipswich, I think Mahrez deserves a start having showed ability when coming off the bench. I'm not having a personal dig at Dyer, I like him as a person and as a player, but I think we need a change and as a fan I want to express that. Doesn't mean I'm miserable or picking on him, or whatever people want to say. I think that the other point is that there may well come a point when (because of injuries or suspension) when we do need to get 90 minutes out of the likes of Mahrez or King or Hammond or Wood. In which case the lack of rotation may become an issue. Ultimately Lloyd is still playing an important role in a winning team so I can see Pearson's rationale behind not changing things. That doesn't mean that changing things might not be a good idea though.
turkish14 Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Probably worried about Mahrez breathing down his neck This^^^^ and his contract soon to be up
CosbehFox Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Lloyd will be playing left wing as along as Schlupp plays lb. If Mahrez was to start that would mean Knocky at lm, leaving Schlupp exposed.
fleckneymike Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Dyer suffers from being Dyer. Let me explain. Many players can hide on the pitch as they possess no one single stand out skill, no one trait which makes them noticeable to both the casual observer and the anorak fan. Dyer is stuck out on the wing and equally blessed and cursed with (for this level) blistering pace. He wont attempt an audacious pass, wont attempt a Cruyff turn, wont take a free kick, wont try anything that should it fail to come off draw an approving ooh or muted applause. Lloyd will simply run at you and swing his leg. He is incredibly effective at this BUT (and this is where he suffers) because his game is so reliant on this, people notice when he is unable or unwilling to burn past an opponent. Unless he is up against a full back who can match him for pace he cannot try and fail to run past you, he can only run past your or not attempt to run past you at all. Where others have equally ineffective matches they go unnoticed, whereas Lloyd is easy for us to spot doing 'nothing'. Lloyd is not doing 'nothing' he is simply failing to do the one thing we 'think' he is capable of. Earlier in the season Nugent suffered a similar fate because he scored too many of the 'wrong type' of goal. He stood out precisely because he was doing the one thing we know he can do BUT importantly (and somewhat paradoxically) doing it the wrong way. He was scoring penalties, in most people's eyes penalties just don't seem to count so Nugent's goals began to count against him just as Lloyd's 'good' season is now counting against him.
LCCFox96 Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Sorry but other players get stick, as does the team. Look at Nugent, as a main example. Then again, most of the squad has been solid and won't get stick. Dyer's had a great season, I agree, but that shouldn't prevent Mahrez getting a start - I think he deserves one. Form fluctuate at times with certain players and Dyer is obviously struggling at the minute. Thing is about Llyod, when he is off form it is noticeable so much. There. As I said pre-Ipswich, I think Mahrez deserves a start having showed ability when coming off the bench. I'm not having a personal dig at Dyer, I like him as a person and as a player, but I think we need a change and as a fan I want to express that. Doesn't mean I'm miserable or picking on him, or whatever people want to say. I completely agree with this. I love Lloyd commitment to the club and think he's had a fabulous season up till now. I said on another thread I wouldn't have considered dropping him for the Ipswich game and would still stand by that post match. However his head was down on Saturday and he was in affective. Signs of some bad form for Lloyd are starting to creep in. And as the quoted post says it's "noticeable" when Lloyd is off form. As a pacey impact winger and our main supply line down the left that is all too true. I think Charlton at home is a good game to test Mahrez's resolve as a starter so I'd take Lloyd out on a one game basis to see;A) how Mahrez does starting and how lively and creative he is over the course of 65-70minutes rather 10-15 minutes he has had recently (and been effective in tbf). A home game against a struggling side will do this and may catch Chris Powell off guard. B) how Lloyd does coming on in the impact sub role for 10-15. His pace would terrorise them late on whereas he tends to get a little tired himself by 55-60minutes. I think a minor freshen up at this point would benefit both Lloyd and Mahrez and wouldn't unsettle the team as it would likely be the only change made. That being said I wouldn't be too fussed if Lloyd did start. His overall season dictates he deserves to start - as people have rightly said - but think Mahrez also merits a start now and something has to give.
Tielemans63 Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Just a natural dip imho. You can't carry on for an entire season playing at that level. Also, his style is all about pace and intensity - he's bound to suffer fatigue at some point and that's what's happening to him now (in my opinion). However, I do think people are making it into a much bigger deal than it actually is.
Mack Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Lloyd's effort yesterday was there, it was just his decision making and at times hesitation that let him down. I'd agree he is low on form / confidence at the moment and has had a frustrating couple of games by his own very high standards this season. Having said that I would back him 100% to find form again in the new few games and put the doubters back into their place with their mouths firmly closed.
LCCFox96 Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 I think this is one of those threads where everything everyone has posted rings true; Lloyd has had a good season and has been in fantastic form but is now in a blip. Mahrez has been effectively deployed as an impact sub both creating and scoring from that role. Both have claims to what is currently Lloyd's starting spot. I and I'm sure many of you can see arguments pro starting Mahrez or pro starting Dyer in the next game. The very emergence of this thread suggests we as fans sense some form of change is coming. Imo this is the next big decision to management have to make and it important for both morale and performance. Getting the balance between slipping Mahrez into the side (on merit) and dropping Lloyd due to what HAS to been a bad run of form must be perfected. If not our attacking play could be affected as could the mood in the squad.
weller54 Posted 23 February 2014 Author Posted 23 February 2014 So many on here seem ultra sensitive to any criticism of Dyer!?.. I started this thread not to have a go at him but purely to get opinions to why his confidence seems to be low at this stage, when the team are flying!?.. It doesn't make any sense..don't accept that he's just 'tired '!!!...that's a feeble excuse. Perhaps it is all about the contract situation??
Sharpe's Fox Posted 23 February 2014 Posted 23 February 2014 Lloyd has been in our top 3 players this season, has more goals and assists than Knockaert and has scored in our last five games while Knockaert hasn't, so maybe Knockaert should be dropped? For the record I want neither players dropped but I just find it interesting that some players are more liable than others for "scapegoating".
chili_con_carne Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 There was interest in him end of January particularly from Bolton where he could have linked up with his mate beckford and also a longer contract and payrise. Rejected and not offered long contract = unhappy player. (See him throwing tantrum when subbed against Birmingham)
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Lloyd's effort yesterday was there, it was just his decision making and at times hesitation that let him down. I'd agree he is low on form / confidence at the moment and has had a frustrating couple of games by his own very high standards this season. Having said that I would back him 100% to find form again in the new few games and put the doubters back into their place with their mouths firmly closed. This especially the last paragraph
Guest seanfox778 Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 I frickin' love Lloyd it's such a shame when fans get on his back, the guy has been a model professional for us and always gives his best. Not many players this day and age stick with a club for as long as Lloyd has, I think he genuinely cares for the club too. We're having our best season for a very long time, why some fans feel the need to berate some of our players I'll never know. Let's just enjoy the ride.
Finnegan Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 Not just in need of a break? He's always had patches of fading in the second half of a season, he has a very high energy, intense game and it's going to take its toll. Especially now he's in his thirties. I just thought he looked knackered against Ipswich. This is what you've got a squad for and it's why our "don't change a winning side" approach is a little dangerous. Giving some of our busier players the odd game off isn't or needn't be an insult to their form.
Biggus Posted 24 February 2014 Posted 24 February 2014 There is one thing that stands out for me. I believe Lloyd's perceived lack of form is down to the opposition doubling up on him because of the threat he poses. They are not allowing him to have space. Surely this is creating space inside to his right for James and Drinkwater - look at the success they are having. Discuss
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