Rich Fox Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 Morgan and wasly would not be good enough next season, they have done a great job this season but think we have to be ruthless and get a big quality centre half in alongside Liam Moore, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox Ulike Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 Ah, here comes the awkward one in this thread. If you can't see we struggle from set pieces you're in a dream world. We've scored plenty of goals this season, and that's great, but very few have been from set piece deliveries. The proportion doesn't seem lower, it is lower. I bet I could count them on one hand. And that is low, for the amount of goals we've scored. As for conceding them, well, facts do back it up. From all the goals we've conceded in the last 10 games, almost all of them have been from set pieces. It's the biggest issue we have by far. Compare the amount we concede from with the amount we score (even threaten) from, it's worrying. Yes I must be in a dream world. I thought we were running away with the League, but after reading your grumbling post I see that in fact "we struggle" and "it's worrying". Have I wandered onto a Coventry forum by mistake? Come back when you have some proper facts ( ie goals conceded from set pieces by ALL teams over the season) to back it up. My point is that if we ONLY concede goals from set pieces, that's pretty good. However, this makes us look bad from set pieces, but might not necessarily be the case if other teams concede similar amounts of set piece goals. I mean, if a team only concedes 10 goals all season, but 9 of them are from set pieces, that's 90%. BUT, if the average amount of set piece goals conceded by other teams is 15, then in fact it's pretty good. Geddit? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RizLCFC Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 One thing Kasper needs to work on is coming for crosses into our box. For a lot of the set piece goals we've conceded he could've caught the ball but instead he stays rooted to the goal line or comes out and flaps at the ball, like in the 95th minute yesterday, and after that you'll see him berating the defenders. It's not all his fault because the marking from set pieces is totally shocking, so many free headers are being won by the opposition, almost seems as if our players don't know who to pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Number 6 Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 Think it's something that needs working on for sure. Defending we always look vulnerable and attacking we show now imagination. We've been so good in every other aspect that it's easy to dismiss it but think it'll be vital to our final position next season. Think it's a bit like a serve in tennis. You can get by without having a great one but improving it and getting those 'free points' takes pressure of other parts of your game. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
asasas Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 I think the problem isn't that we concede too many goals from set pieces, but more that we concede too many set pieces themselves. The number of fouls given away inside our half giving Reading an opportunity yesterday was too many for me to count...actually defending from those set pieces we are not that bad at all but inevitably we are going to concede from some of them and I think it's just the sheer number of set pieces opposition have against us that makes it look like we cannot defend them Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 Yes I must be in a dream world. I thought we were running away with the League, but after reading your grumbling post I see that in fact "we struggle" and "it's worrying". Have I wandered onto a Coventry forum by mistake? Come back when you have some proper facts ( ie goals conceded from set pieces by ALL teams over the season) to back it up. My point is that if we ONLY concede goals from set pieces, that's pretty good. However, this makes us look bad from set pieces, but might not necessarily be the case if other teams concede similar amounts of set piece goals. I mean, if a team only concedes 10 goals all season, but 9 of them are from set pieces, that's 90%. BUT, if the average amount of set piece goals conceded by other teams is 15, then in fact it's pretty good. Geddit? Somewhere between these 2 posts lies the truth. I believe, its we dont look commanding or in control on set pieces high balls. Kasper is not a goalkeeper who rules his area, but still an above average keeper.Wes and Was of late have used each others space, and dont give confidence when the ball is up in the air, there is an inkling of panic One thing Kasper needs to work on is coming for crosses into our box. For a lot of the set piece goals we've conceded he could've caught the ball but instead he stays rooted to the goal line or comes out and flaps at the ball, like in the 95th minute yesterday, and after that you'll see him berating the defenders. It's not all his fault because the marking from set pieces is totally shocking, so many free headers are being won by the opposition, almost seems as if our players don't know who to pick up. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Thracian Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 Anyway I'm sure nige is aware of this issue and will work on it in pre season I'm not sure why you'd assume that. It's been a problem of ours through his time here and while I quite sure he's aware of it there's no evidence of anything being done to sort the problem. Just very occasionally - perhaps two or three times - I've felt that there's been some training ground effort made. But within a game or two we're just back to normal - no imagination, no accuracy, no impact. There's a potential glut of goals available for getting it right and if the answer's are beyond our current coaches then why not employ a specialist who can help make something happen and an on-field player to orchestrate? We've not had a decent dead-ball specialist since Alan Sheehan and yet I cannot imagine why not. What he basically did was deliver the ball accurately and with pace, flight and spin. The delivery caused chaos in opposing defences and the rewards were considerable. Is it really too much to ask to find another footballer who can complete such a simple task? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Finnegan Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 lol lol any excuse to plug Sheehan. Sheehan was no better striking a ball than Mahrez, James, Knockaert, probably Drinkwater, et all. All of them are capable of whipping a lower, harder ball in to the box. I assume they're instructed not to, they all revert to a higher, lofty corner as default which will be what's worked on on the training ground. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 Look at Walsh, Elliott, srktel, Agger etc etc all 6"3. Morgan, Moore, wasa all 6"1 or less..... Oh dear Quite possibly the daftest excuse so far. Pearce (the Reading goalscorer) is 2cm taller than Wasyl and 1cm taller than Wes. But if you're going to suggest that that's the reason Wasyl couldn't time his jump right and that Wes tried to fight his own team mate to the ball then be my guest. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ricey Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 The centre backs aren't tall enough. 6"1 isn't tal for a defender. We need a decent tall centre back next season for set pieces not only to score a few but mainly to defend them as we will get punished next season no doubt. You can get away with one "short" cb not two Very true. I think NP knows this though, as he bought in Keane (6"2) and Whitebread (6"2) last season and Miquel (6"4) this season. It's just that other players have been in better form. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Silverdaz Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 I'm not sure why you'd assume that. It's been a problem of ours through his time here and while I quite sure he's aware of it there's no evidence of anything being done to sort the problem. Just very occasionally - perhaps two or three times - I've felt that there's been some training ground effort made. But within a game or two we're just back to normal - no imagination, no accuracy, no impact. There's a potential glut of goals available for getting it right and if the answer's are beyond our current coaches then why not employ a specialist who can help make something happen and an on-field player to orchestrate? We've not had a decent dead-ball specialist since Alan Sheehan and yet I cannot imagine why not. What he basically did was deliver the ball accurately and with pace, flight and spin. The delivery caused chaos in opposing defences and the rewards were considerable. Is it really too much to ask to find another footballer who can complete such a simple task? Waghorn delivered a great ball Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lcfcjonno Posted 15 April 2014 Share Posted 15 April 2014 We make a movement too early that's the problem just need to work on it over the summer Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
weller54 Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 Wes and Was can't jump!!!.. Simples!! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 The issue? Simple. Name a single player at the club who is dominant in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Stadt Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 The issue? Simple. Name a single player at the club who is dominant in the air. Riyad.He's about our best player in the air at the minute! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Charl91 Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 The issue? Simple. Name a single player at the club who is dominant in the air. Morgan was last season and was at the start of this season. I don't know what's gone wrong recently, but he used to dominate everything in the air. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 I'm not sure why you'd assume that. It's been a problem of ours through his time here and while I quite sure he's aware of it there's no evidence of anything being done to sort the problem. Just very occasionally - perhaps two or three times - I've felt that there's been some training ground effort made. But within a game or two we're just back to normal - no imagination, no accuracy, no impact. There's a potential glut of goals available for getting it right and if the answer's are beyond our current coaches then why not employ a specialist who can help make something happen and an on-field player to orchestrate? We've not had a decent dead-ball specialist since Alan Sheehan and yet I cannot imagine why not. What he basically did was deliver the ball accurately and with pace, flight and spin. The delivery caused chaos in opposing defences and the rewards were considerable. Is it really too much to ask to find another footballer who can complete such a simple task? You had to go and ruin it didn't you!!!!!! It's 2005 all over again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Corky Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 Get Muzzy down to the training ground to coach them how to take good set-pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dan LCFC Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 Riyad. He's about our best player in the air at the minute! Which about says it all. Morgan was last season and was at the start of this season. I don't know what's gone wrong recently, but he used to dominate everything in the air. Morgan's never been all that in the air for me. He's always been a hell of a lot better on the ground, using his strength. Even so despite our lack of height/dominance I still think they're handed very badly and they're far too predictable. Someone posted up a league table of the set pieces (I struggled to make sense of it admittedly) but it put us 23rd in the division and this is a side who've been promoted in early April. If that doesn't suggest there's a concern with set pieces then I don't know what does. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 Very true. I think NP knows this though, as he bought in Keane (6"2) and Whitebread (6"2) last season and Miquel (6"4) this season. It's just that other players have been in better form. Only when Keane was here did we start looking threatening, he got on the end of a lot of dead balls. Under Pearson first time Berner had the knack of being in the right place during set plays and Morrison got a fair few. Hobbs was about as shit as Morgan at them. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cityfanlee23 Posted 16 April 2014 Share Posted 16 April 2014 Riyad. He's about our best player in the air at the minute! Nugent. Best player we have in the air Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Vicki Vixen Posted 23 April 2014 Share Posted 23 April 2014 U21s scored two goals from set pieces tonight. Whatever their strategy is, would they mind sharing it with the senior squad? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
pazzerfox Posted 23 April 2014 Share Posted 23 April 2014 I think the problem is that teams spend that long practicing defending set-pieces and corners that even if a goal is scored, it's regarded as a defensive error, rather than good attacking play. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 23 April 2014 Share Posted 23 April 2014 It was a problem throughout the Sven era too. I have an acquaintance who is involved in football, ex-player / manager, and we spoke about this some time ago. He said if sides are poor at defending AND attacking set pieces it can either be down to either a lack of physical presence (which I don't think is the case - of the thirteen outfield players we fielded last night five of them are above six foot tall - De Laet, Hammond, Morgan, Wasilewski and Wood - and the likes of Wasilewski and Wood have scored goals from dead ball situations in the past) or an issue with the routine. This is because in training the defenders are literally up against their own attackers - so if they are working out from an attacking perspective it could be down to poor defending or good offensive play, it's impossible to know unless you're an expert at set piece deliveries yourself. I'm guessing none of our coaches were! So it could be an issue with the routine. It would be interested to see who has provided / scored the corners for us over the past three years. From my memory the providers have been Knockaert early on in his time at City - before he became the regular corner taker, Waghorn when he first returned to the side, James when he first came to the club... the scorers, also, have been players fairly new to the side, if not the club, unless I'm mistaken (Bamba, Wood, Waghorn etc.). It suggests, as daft as it sounds, that they've had the goalscoring threat coached out of them. Isn't Nige doing a Radio Leicester interview next week? Most of the questions they're asked on these things are complete jokes ('how d'ya reckon we're gonna do next season' / 'would you quit Leicester for Man United?' etc.) so maybe one of us could put it to him - what are you actually doing to improve on our set piece routines, why hasn't it quite worked out, and what do you plan to do about it in the future? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
inckley fox Posted 23 April 2014 Share Posted 23 April 2014 Another friend of mine, who considers himself the ultimate authority because he played a handful of games for the youth team once, insists that our problem is that all of our corners which reach their target are in-swingers lumped in to a single, isolated physical presence on the far side, always about 12-15 yards out. He reckons every team in the division must have learnt our routine by now. The ball never goes into the six yard box, or south of the penalty spot, and it's easy to isolate the man. I'm sure I saw a handful of out-swingers the other day. Maybe I wasn't watching properly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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