David Moyes - Cheerio!

[Jimothy]

Pearson 150/1 on SkyBet for anyone interested.

[foxfanazer]

Obviously he should've done better than he has but this was always going to be a difficult job. Yes this side did win the previous season by 11 points but it was a really poor league with teams like Chelseas, Man City etc going through transitional periods.

I think Fergie has a lot to answer for. The defence and midfield he left for Moyes was really poor. The signings haven't helped either

[MrSpaM]

Nigel Clough 100/1

[whitlock]

Surely this has got to be more than footballing reasons? Pretty obvious Moyes has had a bad season, probably more than what everyone at the club thought he would have. Would this not have more to do with shareholder confidence?

 

You give Moyes a 6 year deal to give confidence in the shareholders - hasn't worked out now they need to try and regain some stock value. Big name signing I would presume.

 

Hate Man Utd and hoped Moyes would stay longer to continue to ruin them.

[LC/FC]

An impossible job trying to replace SAF instead of building his own team.

Feel sorry for the man but it seems like he was overwhelmed from day Ferguson told him in person and never snapped out of it.

[Master Fox]

http://www.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/16257392

 

Betting odds you will see our Nige at 150/1 

 

 

Please god no.

[Richard]

Such a joke. Why would they hire a guy on a 6 year contract if they aren't willing to give him a chance if things start off poorly. Brendan Rodgers had a few 7th/6th place finishes before he built what he wanted too. What's clear from the reports is that there's a clear power struggle from Moyes, with reports of Welbeck, Hernandez, Ferdinand, Anderson, Zaha etc. all very unhappy with Moyes' management

[whitlock]

Such a joke. Why would they hire a guy on a 6 year contract if they aren't willing to give him a chance if things start off poorly. Brendan Rodgers had a few 7th/6th place finishes before he built what he wanted too. What's clear from the reports is that there's a clear power struggle from Moyes, with reports of Welbeck, Hernandez, Ferdinand, Anderson, Zaha etc. all very unhappy with Moyes' management

 

It's not a footballing decision, it's a business decision. Moyes has cost the club millions with no Champions League football next season, you wouldn't keep your job with a company if you had cost them millions either.

[Nick]

He was given a pre-season and a full (ish) season and he failed to attract and deliver new signings of stature and impact, gel the team, play a brand of football anybody could understand, achieve European qualification or galvanise the team in any meaningful way.

 

Whilst i'm not generally behind knee jerk manager sacking, I don't think as a business they can afford to give him another season.

[surrifox]

well let's hope the club now descends into chaos and madness with endless chopping and changing perhaps then their followers will learn to shed their sense of entitlement . If it means that we pick up a point or two from the wreckage so much the better

[LanguedocFox]

Moyes made a huge mistake in getting rid of all of the footballing backroom staff when he turned up: it looked (and was) arrogant, but more importantly it destroyed any hope of continuity. Ferguson had left an aging playing staff with very few decent young players coming though, so Moyes was really on a hiding to nothing: however, with Ferguson's staff supporting him, he might have been able to buy a bit more time.

 

The fact is, however, that the Glazers won't wait: their need for money, and lots of it, is what drives Man U. And I am not sure there is a quick fix to that problem. Next season is going to be very interesting: any chance of relegation, as happened a couple of years after Busby retired? No, probably not, unfortunately.

[leicesterseddon]

Relegation 

 

OK I think we all know there's no way of that happening. 

 

At least this whole saga will have dispelled a few myths that still surround Manchester Utd. For years a certain section of their fans claimed, whenever other clubs chopped and changed their managers, that such a thing would never happen there, because they were a 'proper' club with a different philosophical outlook, a different way of doing things, a different DNA. 

 

When in fact, all that was happening was that they were in the longest period of continued success they've ever enjoyed in the modern era, under one of the greatest managers ever. Now that that period is over, we can see the reality: Manchester Utd. is no different to any other club in modern football. They are completely in hock to foreign owners who need commercial success to repay their debt-financed takeover of the club, two consecutive seasons of under-achievement is out of the question, etc. etc.

 

Will be interesting to see what happens. 

[Richard]

It's not a footballing decision, it's a business decision. Moyes has cost the club millions with no Champions League football next season, you wouldn't keep your job with a company if you had cost them millions either.

That's true, but surely the biggest business decision was giving him a 6 year contract in the first place?

[Master Fox]

Disappointed that it was an easy 6 points next season if Moyes had stayed. Truly gutted.

[Nick]

Apparently they will only have to pay him out for a year rather than six as there was a clause in his contract about not making the Champions League.

[Mikey]

People who say Fergie is to blame for this for leaving him the team they've got needs their heads looking at. Everyone could see that their defence and midfield needed improving, Moyes has the funds available to him to do this but ultimately bought  players that United did not need AT ALL. He panicked and spent £70m on players that realistically did not improve the team in their natural positions (not too much between Rooney and Mata tbf) which led him to playing them out of position, therefore losing terribly. 

 

This summer is one of the biggest in Uniteds recent history, especially with no European football. It is well documented that they have a huge transfer kitty to spend, but they desperately need to buy the correct players for the team - none of this buying good players and fitting them into the team anyhow. And judging by Moyes' last two transfer windows, I don't think they feel they can fully trust him to do this hence the sacking. Easy to say to stick with Moyes give him time blah blah, but what happens if he spends the said 200m this summer and he buys the wrong players again? They're not going to be able to spend another 200m next summer. By then it will be too late and United would most likely be too far gone.

 

Along with this, its quite clear that he's lost big players in the dressing room. Once this happens theres no going back. Easy to say he should 'get rid of the ones that wants out' but what happens if he does that, spends money, and does even worse. At a job as big as this, its not about throwing your weight around, its about making the correct decisions at all times. Something that he has not done at all.

 

Finally, results on the pitch. The fact that United has scored 6 goals in 12 games against the 6 teams above them is quite odd.  United did alright against lower teams (barring a couple of games early on) just for the fact that their team was better but got massively found out against bigger teams. Against the likes of City, Liverpool, Chelsea  and Everton there was no gameplan. It looked like he just put the team out there, expecting the 'United of old' to turn up but in reality there was no pace, no directness and got beat far too easily. To win the league, or even get the top 4 now, games against the top teams will ultimate decide this and teams must be tactically astute - which SAF was brilliant at that (shown by the same squad winning the league by 11 points) and which Moyes, compared to other top managers, showed that he is not and therefore there were no signs of improvement throughout the season which ultimately led to him being sacked.

 

Having said all of this, United must have someone lined up otherwise the club will start to look a joke now if they struggle to bring a 'big' name in to do the job.

[jimmeh]

Apparently they will only have to pay him out for a year rather than six as there was a clause in his contract about not making the Champions League.

That's clearly why they have sacked him the day after it being mathematically impossible to qualify for champions league.

[whitlock]

That's true, but surely the biggest business decision was giving him a 6 year contract in the first place?

 

I guess that could come to the shareholders. You would have confidence in the club that they are going to be stable for 6 years, fills the shareholders with confidence. Although appointing Moyes wouldn't have filled me with confidence in the first place.

[One Legged Beaver]

I think Klopp and Simeone would be the best candidates for the job. Whether they would want to leave decent Champions League clubs for a team not in Europe that requires a complete squad overhaul is another thing though. Klopp would probably be the more likely of the two however as Dortmund are miles off being competitive for the title in their league and he keeps having to sell his best players.

 

UTD have gone from a club being run in an exemplary way, to a joke.
Losing the backroom staff
Hardly any fresh blood in the summer
Fellaini.. 27.5 mill?
Mata.. over 30 mill?
Rooney... 300k a week
Moyes... sacked, on the back of a 6 yr plan?

Who is running the club now?

Joke. ..

 

You missed out signing Nani up on a new 5 year contract at the beginning of the season 

[Bobby Hundreds]

Obviously he should've done better than he has but this was always going to be a difficult job. Yes this side did win the previous season by 11 points but it was a really poor league with teams like Chelseas, Man City etc going through transitional periods.

 

 

Christ knows what that must make this season.

[foxes_rule1978]

I think Klopp and Simeone would be the best candidates for the job. Whether they would want to leave decent Champions League clubs for a team not in Europe that requires a complete squad overhaul is another thing though. Klopp would probably be the more likely of the two however as Dortmund are miles off being competitive for the title in their league and he keeps having to sell his best players.

You missed out signing Nani up on a new 5 year contract at the beginning of the season

Moyes loved to give us all a laugh, will be missed greatly.

[The Pigeonator]

Does anyone else think moyes being sacked is disgusting?

Since he was given a 6 year contract, you'd expect them to let him have a transition season, which would allow him to get to know which players want to play for him, establish himself as the boss amongst the players, and make changes where necessary and also settle into the new environment

I for one think united have always needed a huge clear out and ship players in both from abroad and there academy, with players like, evra, vidic, ferdinand, giggs all ageing and far past there best, Players who are in my opinion under performed Young, Rafael, Valencia, Van Persie (who only wanted to play under Ferguson)

In regards to the academy, we all know its bursting with talent with exceptional players, you don't have to look very far to know Drinkwater, James & De Laet have the qualities of top players. Zaha, Keane, Lingard, Macheda to name a few, are all players who can flourish given half a chance.

They cocked up in both transfer windows and I don't think Moyes was given the resources to sign players to fill the huge gaps, which he could have this summer, (mata is a terrific player, Fellaini is pure rubbish) if he'd been allowed too.

If the club had the balls to support him and not worry about their share prices, we may have witnessed the full potential of a manager who, lets not deny it, did a GOOD job at everton with very little money (lets not forget he laid the foundations for Martinez who has done an excellent job there by making shrewd signings).

[RonnieTodger]

A reputation he's built for 11 years has just been obliterated in 10 months at United. Big clubs make or break you.

[The Pigeonator]

Does anyone else think moyes being sacked is disgusting? Since he was given a 6 year contract, you'd expect them to let him have a transition season, which would allow him to get to know which players want to play for him, establish himself as the boss amongst the players, and make changes where necessary and also settle into the new environment

I for one think united have always needed a huge clear out and ship players in both from abroad and there academy, with players like, evra, vidic, ferdinand, giggs all ageing and far past there best, Players who are in my opinion under performed Young, Rafael, Valencia, Van Persie (who only wanted to play under Ferguson)

In regards to the academy, we all know its bursting with talent with exceptional players, you don't have to look very far to know Drinkwater, James & De Laet have the qualities of top players. Zaha, Keane, Lingard, Macheda to name a few, are all players who can flourish given half a chance.

They cocked up in both transfer windows and I don't think Moyes was given the resources to sign players to fill the huge gaps, which he could have this summer, (mata is a terrific player, Fellaini is pure rubbish) if he'd been allowed too. If the club had the balls to support him and not worry about their share prices, we may have witnessed the full potential of a manager who, lets not deny it, did a GOOD job at everton with very little money (lets not forget he laid the foundations for Martinez who has done an excellent job there by making shrewd signings).

[chrisfox]

Makes you wonder if Ferguson knew his squad from last season was on a hiding to nothing, and decided to get out while he was on top.

 

Moyes was always going to have a tough time, but I do feel he didn't do himself any favour's trying to change too much too soon.  Getting rid of Mike Phelan was a disastrous decision in my opinion, spending what he did on Falliani, and not being able to temp Leighton Baines to the club couldn't of helped, plus his supposed lack of tactical knowledge all add up.

 

I feel for the bloke losing his job but realistically he was the wrong man in the first place.