Trav Le Bleu Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Makes you wonder if Ferguson knew his squad from last season was on a hiding to nothing, and decided to get out while he was on top. Absolutely. Moyes inherited a team in decline with owners reluctant to spend and Fergie knew that. Welbeck, Evans, Smalling, Valencia and Jones would have been lucky to get on the bench in MU teams of yesteryear and Ferdinand, Vidic and Giggs are all past their best-before date. Add to that RvP and Rooney both being out injured for long spells and you can see why he was up against it. Many Man Ure fans are calling for a "big name" appointment, but there can only be so much chopping and changing between the "big names". If a big name moves from a big club to your big club, what's to stop him moving to another big club? Man Ure fans are blinkered to thinking that their team is the supreme best in the world that everyone aspires to, when in fact, it's just one of about 10 or so big name clubs. Plus big name clubs don't stay big name clubs, you only have to look at Liverpool to see how a club can decline if they take their eye off the ball. Probably a "big name" is right for the expectations, but it's no gaurantee - big names fail all the time. If big clubs just keep swapping managers, they grow old and die, eventually someone new has to come through. In other countries, managers seem to get the time to do this, since new guys are appearing all the time, but when a big English club sacks their manager, they turn abroad. It's a poor show.
One Legged Beaver Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 United arguably have a worse first XI than at least 5 of the 6 teams above them in the league and Moyes had them about where they should be in the league based on quality of the side. Not many of their players would actually get in any of the teams in the top 4.
Richard Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I guess that could come to the shareholders. You would have confidence in the club that they are going to be stable for 6 years, fills the shareholders with confidence. Although appointing Moyes wouldn't have filled me with confidence in the first place. I feel that they wanted to make a statement with the 6 year contract by sort of showing that they're against the current sacking culture so they showed a statement of intent. I guess they figured that Fergie also made a poor start so they could see a poor start through. Problem is the way the squad have reacted and the fact that there's so much more money in football nowadays that you cannot afford to give a manager 2/3 seasons to build a team, you need instant success.
Yastafox Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Let's say we have a horror start to the PL next year and NP gets the boot at Xmas, would you take him?
One Legged Beaver Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Let's say we have a horror start to the PL next year and NP gets the boot at Xmas, would you take him? Definitely! Despite this past 10 months he's proved with Everton he's a capable top half premier league manager. He wouldn't need to rebuild here either, just build upon the foundations.
AyewJoking Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Are people seriously worried Man Utd might want Pearson? Delusions of grandeur????
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 He was given a pre-season and a full (ish) season and he failed to attract and deliver new signings of stature and impact, gel the team, play a brand of football anybody could understand, achieve European qualification or galvanise the team in any meaningful way. Whilst i'm not generally behind knee jerk manager sacking, I don't think as a business they can afford to give him another season. Make your mind up. Either you are behind knee-jerk sackings, or you aren't. Theres' no middle ground. Is it good for 'business' to have to pay off such a hugely lucrative contract after 9 mths? To then get someone else in on another massive contract with no assurances of success? I'm no big Moyes fan, but 9 mths into a SIX yr project?
GingerrrFox Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Make your mind up. Either you are behind knee-jerk sackings, or you aren't. Theres' no middle ground. Is it good for 'business' to have to pay off such a hugely lucrative contract after 9 mths? To then get someone else in on another massive contract with no assurances of success? I'm no big Moyes fan, but 9 mths into a SIX yr project? Manchester United is no six year project. People talk shit about the squad and say it's over the hill etc but it won the league comprehensively last season. The size of the drop off from last year to this year is not acceptable. Sometimes managers are not a good fit for a club, just look at Roy Hodgson at Liverpool. Doesn't make him a bad manager but he failed miserably at Liverpool, now look at him with England. They made the right decision.
MPH Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Martinez is showing Moyes up even more, never won anything always very overrated... He didn't have to win the title, just take a team who won the league by 11 points add some good additions to it and finish in the CL places, he couldn't even manage that. What martinez has done is indeed incredible - but that shows the sort of manager Martinez is - doesnt say anything about Moyes. I think pretty much most people know that when you step into a new job you usually take your new team with you... so you have a new manager and his ways and style of doing things, and a new coaching set up too.. I mean Fergie was in charge for 26 years.... To take him out of the picture completely is a drastic change.... Everyone was so used to it being done Fergies way.... A 6 year contract!? There was always the possibility he was going to be shit so giving him a contract that long was daft. Given a 6 year contract. Was always a tough first season, If I was a United fan I'd want to give him next season as well with an improved squad. But I'm not a United fan so couldn't care less. Moyes had it written into his contract that he will only get one years pay if sacked and they havnt qualified for the champions league...
Corky Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Make your mind up. Either you are behind knee-jerk sackings, or you aren't. Theres' no middle ground. Is it good for 'business' to have to pay off such a hugely lucrative contract after 9 mths? To then get someone else in on another massive contract with no assurances of success? I'm no big Moyes fan, but 9 mths into a SIX yr project? I don't think this is knee-jerk, here's been there 9 months and, whatever you think about the quality of last season, took over the title winners. They are now 7th, out of top four reckoning, failed miserably in the FA Cup and missed a real chance to win the League Cup. Reports also that the dressing room didn't take to him and his staff at all. He's spent £65 million on two players, one of which hasn't worked at all in Fellaini and one that possibly might, in time, with Mata. If they were third/ 4th, he'd still be there, the transition would've been smoother and they'd still have Champions League football. But they haven't and that will hurt in attracting top players. They could've limped on with this season, got to the summer and given Moyes much more money to spend and taken the risk, or go for a more proven coach and trust him with the funds. It's probably worth the risk to change rather than continue with the present regime that has shown no signs in 9 months of really getting to grips with the task.
Langston Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 He's not been a great player since the 2010/2011 season, his past few seasons have been mediocre. Have a look at the Man United boards, or actually watch him play sometime. You tell me if he's a 300k a week player; he wouldn't even make it into the top 10 players in the Premier League, let alone deserve to be paid Messi/Ronaldo level salaries. But he's English, and the media still think he's the same great player he was when he was young, so of course he's a world class player. Even Sturridge has been a better player than him this season.... Joey Barton had it right when he said he isn't world class. That's all well and good but we weren't debating whether or not he's world class, I was countering your comment that he's not a "good" player which, like or loathe him personally, is a ****ing silly thing to say.
Super_horns Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I think it will take more than sacking Moyes to sort Man U - some of the players have to take a share of the blame. The buck does stop with the manager though and he has brought poorly and clearly not used the right tactics etc.
Guest Col city fan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I don't think this is knee-jerk, here's been there 9 months and, whatever you think about the quality of last season, took over the title winners. They are now 7th, out of top four reckoning, failed miserably in the FA Cup and missed a real chance to win the League Cup. Reports also that the dressing room didn't take to him and his staff at all. He's spent £65 million on two players, one of which hasn't worked at all in Fellaini and one that possibly might, in time, with Mata. If they were third/ 4th, he'd still be there, the transition would've been smoother and they'd still have Champions League football. But they haven't and that will hurt in attracting top players. They could've limped on with this season, got to the summer and given Moyes much more money to spend and taken the risk, or go for a more proven coach and trust him with the funds. It's probably worth the risk to change rather than continue with the present regime that has shown no signs in 9 months of really getting to grips with the task. It's all opinions. Personally, I think 9 mths IS too soon for anyone taking on such a huge job. It's such little time to turn around what was a squad beginning to show its age. I genuinely believe though that Moyes made some howling errors, and that (like Sven at Leicester), the Board let him by backing him. That's backfired on them big time. I'm really surprised that UTD have gone from being a club run so expertly, to one which simply smacks of desperation. Rooney on 300k per week is a prime example. I wonder who's next. Though I doubt very much its Pearson, I was having this conversation last night with my boy and we both agreed that UTD need to start building a squad (a la Nige) rather than buying one (a la Sven).
MC Prussian Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Apparently, Louis van Gaal has been spotted in talks with the owners. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/who-is-louis-van-gaal-the-netherlands-manager-is-the-current-favourite-to-take-charge-at-manchester-united-after-david-moyes-sacked-9275016.html
Trav Le Bleu Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Apparently, Louis van Gaal has been spotted in talks with the owners. http://www.independent.co.uk/sport/football/premier-league/who-is-louis-van-gaal-the-netherlands-manager-is-the-current-favourite-to-take-charge-at-manchester-united-after-david-moyes-sacked-9275016.html Do they have a Morrisons in Stretford?
Corky Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Do they have a Morrisons in Stretford? Ravel left a while ago.
Master Fox Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 My personal favourite Moyes moment. Goodnight sweet prince Why all the Man United sympathy from you lot? Surely everyone would have loved to see Moyes carry on the great work and eventually get them relegated to the Championship.
The Year Of The Fox Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Phil Neville and Chris Woods keep their jobs
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 He was never the right man to manage Man United, there was no basis to suggest he was good enough. Don't tell me he was brilliant at Everton either, getting a club of Everton's size and history to accept mediocrity is nothing to be boasting about, especially with some of the money he spent at Goodison. Luckily for him he had big sales in Rooney and Rodwell to counter the books. Never the man to manage them, this is all down to that senile old **** Ferguson. The signs were there, he basically spent £25million to win the League last season, that was bringing in Robin Van Persie. He won them the League, nobody else. Now look, that one season has completely destroyed Van Persie, his body is ruined now. Ferguson left on winning United their 20th title and knew that side was never going to win the League again. The signs were coming that Ferguson was losing his marbles, "Phil Jones can be the greatest ever Man United signing", really? "David Moyes can take this club to greatness", how was he ever going to do that Alex? Then look what happened when he did leave, he releases some shite autobiography, don't get me wrong what he achieved was good, no taking that away from him but his book is ridiculous. "Liverpool need 8 players to challenge for the title", funny that you old ****, one goalkeeper has done that. "Steven Gerrard isn't a top player" and critics Jordan Henderson for his running style, all of this in a book about HIS life? He completely lost it. How could a man who had come up with these absurd opinions be a judge on who was best suited to take Man United to the next level? He's to blame for this and the players he has manipulated over the years, it's always been about Ferguson, if anyone ever dared question him they were out the door, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham, Stam, Keane, Ronaldo and Rooney (who would have gone if Ferguson stayed) all left because they didn't agree with him. Same man who was never questioned for the signings of Kleberson, Veron, Bebe, Anderson and others. This current side were so warped with Ferguson and his ways they were never going to give Moyes a chance, Giggs never liked him from the start apparently, he will be like a dog with two dicks now because he is in charge until the end of the season. Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand and Carrick would never of played to such a poor standard under Ferguson, never in a million years. They're a disgrace.
Istilllovefilbert Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I just wonder how much you can blame the players? I believe that the manager is fully responsible for the team's performance, but the quality and experience of that squad should at least show up and give their best if they liked the bloke or not.
purpleronnie Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 so I guess letting the previous manager pick the new one wasn't a good idea....SHOCK!
Master Fox Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 He was never the right man to manage Man United, there was no basis to suggest he was good enough. Don't tell me he was brilliant at Everton either, getting a club of Everton's size and history to accept mediocrity is nothing to be boasting about, especially with some of the money he spent at Goodison. Luckily for him he had big sales in Rooney and Rodwell to counter the books. Never the man to manage them, this is all down to that senile old **** Ferguson. The signs were there, he basically spent £25million to win the League last season, that was bringing in Robin Van Persie. He won them the League, nobody else. Now look, that one season has completely destroyed Van Persie, his body is ruined now. Ferguson left on winning United their 20th title and knew that side was never going to win the League again. The signs were coming that Ferguson was losing his marbles, "Phil Jones can be the greatest ever Man United signing", really? "David Moyes can take this club to greatness", how was he ever going to do that Alex? Then look what happened when he did leave, he releases some shite autobiography, don't get me wrong what he achieved was good, no taking that away from him but his book is ridiculous. "Liverpool need 8 players to challenge for the title", funny that you old ****, one goalkeeper has done that. "Steven Gerrard isn't a top player" and critics Jordan Henderson for his running style, all of this in a book about HIS life? He completely lost it. How could a man who had come up with these absurd opinions be a judge on who was best suited to take Man United to the next level? He's to blame for this and the players he has manipulated over the years, it's always been about Ferguson, if anyone ever dared question him they were out the door, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham, Stam, Keane, Ronaldo and Rooney (who would have gone if Ferguson stayed) all left because they didn't agree with him. Same man who was never questioned for the signings of Kleberson, Veron, Bebe, Anderson and others. This current side were so warped with Ferguson and his ways they were never going to give Moyes a chance, Giggs never liked him from the start apparently, he will be like a dog with two dicks now because he is in charge until the end of the season. Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand and Carrick would never of played to such a poor standard under Ferguson, never in a million years. They're a disgrace. Why do you care who is to blame? Just enjoy them being shit and hope they finish below us next season. That's all you need to worry about. Sit back and enjoy the LOLs.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Why do you care who is to blame? Just enjoy them being shit and hope they finish below us next season. That's all you need to worry about. Sit back and enjoy the LOLs. I have thoroughly enjoyed it mate, loved every minute of it. My hatred for Ferguson just gets the better of me at times.
Master Fox Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I have thoroughly enjoyed it mate, loved every minute of it. My hatred for Ferguson just gets the better of me at times.Fair enough. My love for Moyes just pours through. I will miss him.
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