MC Prussian Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 My personal favourite Moyes moment. Goodnight sweet prince Why all the Man United sympathy from you lot? Surely everyone would have loved to see Moyes carry on the great work and eventually get them relegated to the Championship. That's not a love for the club, it's general surprise that Manchester United sack their manager, whom they've given a six-year contract, after only nine to ten months into his tenure. Personally, it reminds me of how the stock market punishes bad quarterlies, companies sacking their CEO and then somehow managing to present better financial numbers three or six months later - all just for the benefit of the stockholders (ignorant of how the company does on the whole and on a long-term basis). Essentially, it all boils down to greed.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Fair enough. My love for Moyes just pours through. I will miss him. I know how you must be feeling, he has been fantastic. Poor United fans really are going to miss this man..
Mikey Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 He was never the right man to manage Man United, there was no basis to suggest he was good enough. Don't tell me he was brilliant at Everton either, getting a club of Everton's size and history to accept mediocrity is nothing to be boasting about, especially with some of the money he spent at Goodison. Luckily for him he had big sales in Rooney and Rodwell to counter the books. Never the man to manage them, this is all down to that senile old **** Ferguson. The signs were there, he basically spent £25million to win the League last season, that was bringing in Robin Van Persie. He won them the League, nobody else. Now look, that one season has completely destroyed Van Persie, his body is ruined now. Ferguson left on winning United their 20th title and knew that side was never going to win the League again. The signs were coming that Ferguson was losing his marbles, "Phil Jones can be the greatest ever Man United signing", really? "David Moyes can take this club to greatness", how was he ever going to do that Alex? Then look what happened when he did leave, he releases some shite autobiography, don't get me wrong what he achieved was good, no taking that away from him but his book is ridiculous. "Liverpool need 8 players to challenge for the title", funny that you old ****, one goalkeeper has done that. "Steven Gerrard isn't a top player" and critics Jordan Henderson for his running style, all of this in a book about HIS life? He completely lost it. How could a man who had come up with these absurd opinions be a judge on who was best suited to take Man United to the next level? He's to blame for this and the players he has manipulated over the years, it's always been about Ferguson, if anyone ever dared question him they were out the door, Van Nistelrooy, Beckham, Stam, Keane, Ronaldo and Rooney (who would have gone if Ferguson stayed) all left because they didn't agree with him. Same man who was never questioned for the signings of Kleberson, Veron, Bebe, Anderson and others. This current side were so warped with Ferguson and his ways they were never going to give Moyes a chance, Giggs never liked him from the start apparently, he will be like a dog with two dicks now because he is in charge until the end of the season. Vidic, Evra, Ferdinand and Carrick would never of played to such a poor standard under Ferguson, never in a million years. They're a disgrace. I take it you're not a Fergie fan then? Involving Ronaldo in your rant kind of reduces the validity of the whole thing in my opinion considering Ronaldo has constantly praised Fergie, and wasn't forced out the door at all - quite the opposite in fact. Think your hatred for SAF kind of blinds you in terms of United judging from that post.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 I take it you're not a Fergie fan then? Involving Ronaldo in your rant kind of reduces the validity of the whole thing in my opinion considering Ronaldo has constantly praised Fergie, and wasn't forced out the door at all - quite the opposite in fact. Think your hatred for SAF kind of blinds you in terms of United judging from that post. Ferguson wasn't happy with Ronaldo for wanting to speak to Real Madrid in 2008 and Ronaldo reluctantly stayed for one more season, every Man United fan knew Ronaldo was gone before the end of the 08/09 season. It's easy to praise someone once you have left and have gone on to bigger things. I would harldy say my dislike to Ferguson is an unfair assessment of Man United, I think I am pretty spot on with what I have said. The fact you can only point out the Ronaldo name out of the whole post as something to disagree with kind of speaks volumes.
Fox92 Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Let's say we have a horror start to the PL next year and NP gets the boot at Xmas, would you take him? Moyes is still a decent manager and could probably get a job at most clubs in the divsion. Overlooking the short United stint, he made Everton a solid side.
Mikey Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 Ferguson wasn't happy with Ronaldo for wanting to speak to Real Madrid in 2008 and Ronaldo reluctantly stayed for one more season, every Man United fan knew Ronaldo was gone before the end of the 08/09 season. It's easy to praise someone once you have left and have gone on to bigger things. I would harldy say my dislike to Ferguson is an unfair assessment of Man United, I think I am pretty spot on with what I have said. The fact you can only point out the Ronaldo name out of the whole post as something to disagree with kind of speaks volumes. You said 'if anyone dared question him they were out the door..' I was merely pointing out Ronaldo didn't really question Ferguson himself at all in stating that he would of liked to join Madrid. You're saying getting Ronaldo to stay for one more year (in which he probably elevated his price tag and won the league again) is some kind of blot on SAF. In terms of Van Nistelrooy and Keane, the continued success of United after they had left shows that it was the right decision for them to leave when they did. Why would the club have wanted to keep aging players over the manager, especially SAF. I don't really like or dislike Fergie, but to say Uniteds demise this season 'is all down to that senile old **** Ferguson' is (in my opinion) wrong. I can't really see the point of your post apart from the fact that you don't think Moyes is the man for them - which I agree with.
Grandad. Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 You said 'if anyone dared question him they were out the door..' I was merely pointing out Ronaldo didn't really question Ferguson himself at all in stating that he would of liked to join Madrid. You're saying getting Ronaldo to stay for one more year (in which he probably elevated his price tag and won the league again) is some kind of blot on SAF. In terms of Van Nistelrooy and Keane, the continued success of United after they had left shows that it was the right decision for them to leave when they did. Why would the club have wanted to keep aging players over the manager, especially SAF. I don't really like or dislike Fergie, but to say Uniteds demise this season 'is all down to that senile old **** Ferguson' is (in my opinion) wrong. I can't really see the point of your post apart from the fact that you don't think Moyes is the man for them - which I agree with. They were out the door, ok maybe Ronaldo didn't question him but he wanted out, Ferguson laid the law down for one more season, won him the League and he was gone. The others all left under clouds because they had disagreements with Ferguson. Like I said Rooney only stayed because Ferguson was going, otherwise he would of been out the door. He is a senile old ****, them quotes came from his mouth and look how utterly ridiculous they are. The man was losing the plot, he won the League last season with a poor side and against arguably the second worst defending Champions in Premier League history, the worst defending Champions being this current Man United side. He got out at the right time he knew how poor they were, had his massive leaving ceremony and left Moyes a load of dross who clearly didn't want to play for Moyes. Yet he had the nerve to suggest a manager at a club who had never won anything under Moyes, had one Champions League qualifying campaign and a Cup Final to put on his time at Everton. How is he not senile? Man United could have had a number of top class managers but the board listened to the senile old **** and believed the man who never dared argue with Ferguson in his reign was the correct man for United. I say Mourinho is egotistical but nobody has or will have a bigger ego in this country than Ferguson, always about him. Would Shankly, Paisley, Clough, Dalglish, Ramsay, Robson or Revie write a chapter in their autobiographies about a rival club and slate their players?! No. Did that ****? Yes.
Finnegan Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 It's pretty obvious Ferguson's autobiography was full of intentionally controversial wind ups. He knows what he's saying, the man isn't an idiot. He knows it'll keep him in the spotlight and sell copies. You getting irate about it just proves he was right. I don't and didn't like him and the Glazers should have told him to **** off and stick his recommendation sideways. But he's still the best manager of his generation and anyone claiming he's made consistently "wrong" decisions or cost United is just being daft. His record speaks for itself, including winning the league last year with a fairly substandard side.
The Doctor Posted 22 April 2014 Posted 22 April 2014 He was always on a hiding to nothing with the squad he inherited. Still, he's got a job set up for him at UKIP having managed to get out completely out of Europe so quickly.
Dan Posted 23 April 2014 Posted 23 April 2014 I think sacking him is the wrong decision, he should have been given until Christmas at least. What was the point in giving him a 6-year contract only to ditch him now? A token gesture it seems. I think the biggest problem in all this is managing expectations. Yes, United could have had a better season this year but what they've actually had is a reality check. A realisation that they're not head and shoulders above the rest and have no divine right to win the league as they had become accustomed to under SAF. The way their 'supporters' have reacted to this season (and Moyes) has been outrageous, and I think the difference between now and when SAF first arrived is that you take on the social media generation where everyone has their say and campaigns/witch hunts can gather pace frighteningly quickly. Moyes hasn't helped himself with his transfer business but that's not solely been down to him, it was clear that he had identified players he wanted but that the club were unable to secure them leaving him going for an old safe bet in Fellaini. Mata is a quality signing for anyone but he's not been integrated as well as he no doubt eventually will be when they are stronger in other areas. The squad SAF left needed re-vamping and I think they're only three or four quality players away from being real contenders again. What needed to happen was an acceptance of this and an understanding that it will take time to replace the players that need replacing. Any manager having to replace Scholes (who SAF couldn't replace), Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and Giggs would need time. For me, sacking Moyes is like sacking Pearson at the end of the half season he had when Sven had left. He needed time to bring his own players in and clear out the rubbish that was at the club when he arrived and it's now paying dividends. But at least Pearson actually signed players with a clear plan as to what to do with them in future (look at Morgan & Drinkwater now). Where does Fellaini fit? Where does Mata fit? Their squad imblanace is a joke and he's added to it more than anything. The bloke was out of his depth completely.
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 April 2014 Posted 24 April 2014 Was thinking, driving home from work, that if the Man Utd Board had any sense (which I'm not sure they do), they should go for Martinez. He's an exceptional manager. He appears to be liked and respected by all, plays football the right way and is brilliant with the media. I suspect they'll go for some big time Charlie, but he would be my choice. Superb manager.
Unabomber Posted 24 April 2014 Posted 24 April 2014 Was thinking, driving home from work, that if the Man Utd Board had any sense (which I'm not sure they do), they should go for Martinez. He's an exceptional manager. He appears to be liked and respected by all, plays football the right way and is brilliant with the media. I suspect they'll go for some big time Charlie, but he would be my choice. Superb manager. He wouldn't go imo, he turned down Villa while at Wigan and reportedly Liverpool too so he obviously was very specific with his choosing of the Everton job. I can see him being at Everton for a good amount of time.
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 April 2014 Posted 24 April 2014 He wouldn't go imo, he turned down Villa while at Wigan and reportedly Liverpool too so he obviously was very specific with his choosing of the Everton job. I can see him being at Everton for a good amount of time. You could be right, but turning down Utd is a big decision. They won't go for him anyway I shouldn't think.
Charl91 Posted 24 April 2014 Posted 24 April 2014 Was thinking, driving home from work, that if the Man Utd Board had any sense (which I'm not sure they do), they should go for Martinez. He's an exceptional manager. He appears to be liked and respected by all, plays football the right way and is brilliant with the media. I suspect they'll go for some big time Charlie, but he would be my choice. Superb manager. Martinez is unproven at the highest level though. They're not going to make that mistake again.
Grandad. Posted 24 April 2014 Posted 24 April 2014 Just for the record, Martinez never turned down the Liverpool job, the Liverpool board wanted Rodgers from the start and Rodgers originally said no, hence us having talks with Martinez in America. Back to the laughing stock United - Man United surely have seen sense now that a rebuilding process needs to begin with the club, just like when Ferguson took over all them years ago. Are any of Van Gaal, Ancelotti, Mourinho or Capello (just used him as an example) the kind of manager who will restructure a club and their philosophies from the bottom? I would say no, they're the managers who get jobs and are immediately into a results business, winning is the main objective. That to me would be the quick fix solution, if that happens and United go and win trophies then of course the fans and the board will be happy but then them managers don't tend to leave a lasting legacy at clubs. I would agree with the above when Martinez has been mentioned, think he would be perfect but when Man United are in the position they are in, are they going to buy into Martinez's ideas and more importantly give him the time that he would need? I don't think they would. Klopp would be a perfect choice as well, only stumbling block is would he take the challenge? Him taking over is the only way I could see Man United signing a couple of world class signings, if he could take Reus, Hummels and Gundogan to United with him, then others would follow from around the world.
kingcarr21 Posted 25 April 2014 Posted 25 April 2014 Dont forget Billy Davies is out of a job at the moment. Perfect choice for Man U
Finnaldo Posted 25 April 2014 Posted 25 April 2014 You could be right, but turning down Utd is a big decision. They won't go for him anyway I shouldn't think. If he finish the job this season and clinch fourth, then do well in Europe next season then it'll be a massive boost on his CV. He can demand a much better move to some of the big European clubs.
Leicesterpool Posted 25 April 2014 Posted 25 April 2014 You could be right, but turning down Utd is a big decision. They won't go for him anyway I shouldn't think. He wouldn't go imo, he turned down Villa while at Wigan and reportedly Liverpool too so he obviously was very specific with his choosing of the Everton job. I can see him being at Everton for a good amount of time. The only reason he joined Everton was because Wigan got relegated! if they stayed up he would have probably have been still there! To be honest though I can't see Martinez going to United, at the moment it would like look a step back!
Mikey Posted 26 April 2014 Posted 26 April 2014 There would be no way Kenwright would let another manager leave to United. Not so soon anyway.
Jace Posted 26 April 2014 Posted 26 April 2014 Man Utd won't go after Martinez the Glaziers have banned themselves from ever doing business with Everton again
Langston Posted 27 April 2014 Posted 27 April 2014 Man Utd won't go after Martinez the Glaziers have banned themselves from ever doing business with Everton again Why? Kenwright not give them a good rate on those glass panels they installed?
Les-TA-Jon Posted 27 April 2014 Posted 27 April 2014 One game and one result and then a wave of sentiment gives 'Giggsy' lots of support to get the job full time. This makes no sense to me, and if Man U have any sense, they won't consider him. One of Moye's major failings was his total lack of experience of winning trophies, managing the media spotlight, being in charge of a huge club expected to win every game. Giggs only has experience of being at a huge club from a player's perspective. Nothing else.
Leicesterpool Posted 27 April 2014 Posted 27 April 2014 I actually think Giggs will get the job now! It would be so typical of them to appoint a manager down to just one result! I think the sacking of Moyes was down to not just performances but season ticket sales aswell, i think they know if they appoint Giggs as gaffer they know a few season ticket holders may return. But as many of us know Giggs isn't qualified enough for the job, yes been at united for 22 years is it? but managing and playing for a club is a different kettle of fish!
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