whetstonefox Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 The job was too big for him, know a Man utd fan, he lost patience when Moyes said they aspire to be like Man City. Technically might be correct, but they are words you just dont say out loud!
FoxyPV Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 The Moyes / SAF comparison doesn't stand up as SAF had already won trophies, domestic and European, before he was at Man Utd, whereas Moyes had taken a poor team and turned them into one who could challenge for Europa league places. All my Man Utd supporting friends are exasperated at the lack of style or any rhyme or reason to selection or tactics. Granted, Moyes was left a time bomb by SAF but that doesn't excuse the ineptitude of some of their performances nevermind the public capitulation to other teams eg. Before the Liverpool match.
Webbo Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 All they have to do now is announce Peter Taylor's appointment and they've made my day.
Stadt Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 A 6 year contract!? There was always the possibility he was going to be shit so giving him a contract that long was daft.
Kitchandro Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 I've never disliked Moyes, but I get a strange satisfaction from seeing him sacked. Maybe it's because I don't believe in all this 'give the manager time' stuff if said manager is taking a team backwards. They are clearly an average side which capitalised on a very weak league last season, but there is no excuse for how things have gone under Moyes, its just not good enough. Moyes has always been overrated anyway, people make out he did a miraculous job with Everton but frankly it would be a bit of a disgrace if he didn't do what he did with them, Everton are no small fries.
Unabomber Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 51 different starting line-ups in 51 games. The man's a mathematical genius. If at first you don't succeed....
Jon the Hat Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 Is he definitely gone? Announcement once the NYSE closes at 9pm I reckon. There is no way a listed company lets the media run with this story if it isn't true.
Haydos Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 I think sacking him is the wrong decision, he should have been given until Christmas at least. What was the point in giving him a 6-year contract only to ditch him now? A token gesture it seems. I think the biggest problem in all this is managing expectations. Yes, United could have had a better season this year but what they've actually had is a reality check. A realisation that they're not head and shoulders above the rest and have no divine right to win the league as they had become accustomed to under SAF. The way their 'supporters' have reacted to this season (and Moyes) has been outrageous, and I think the difference between now and when SAF first arrived is that you take on the social media generation where everyone has their say and campaigns/witch hunts can gather pace frighteningly quickly. Moyes hasn't helped himself with his transfer business but that's not solely been down to him, it was clear that he had identified players he wanted but that the club were unable to secure them leaving him going for an old safe bet in Fellaini. Mata is a quality signing for anyone but he's not been integrated as well as he no doubt eventually will be when they are stronger in other areas. The squad SAF left needed re-vamping and I think they're only three or four quality players away from being real contenders again. What needed to happen was an acceptance of this and an understanding that it will take time to replace the players that need replacing. Any manager having to replace Scholes (who SAF couldn't replace), Ferdinand, Vidic, Evra and Giggs would need time. For me, sacking Moyes is like sacking Pearson at the end of the half season he had when Sven had left. He needed time to bring his own players in and clear out the rubbish that was at the club when he arrived and it's now paying dividends. We didn't have a reputation like Utd do. We hadn't strolled to the league title the year before with Sven. Pearson hasn't had the budget Moyes has. Pearson hasn't made the poor signings Moyes has. They've looked devoid of ideas, he's made excuse after excuse, won't admit when they're playing badly, has not identified to the media or on the pitch where their problems lie, he has not tried to change much, they don't attack with any speed, they're not direct, they seem to have lost any semblance of the 'United' of old. And that's just some of the footballing matters, not even considering the financial issues that surround his tenure. Totally different scenarios.
Carlos88LCFC Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 Fergie would have finished in the top 3 this season with the same squad, he had a knack of winning games when playing poor. He wouldn't of bought Mata or The mop head bench warmer. United need a world class winger, CB and attacking midfielder who can track back box to box. Mata is a class act but he's not a united player. Rooney does Matas job but contributes more, Felony is useless. Moyes should walk, best for everyone involved. Always big boots to fill. At least who ever comes in now can't do much worse that what's been done. Possibly foreign, can see the guy from Dortmund coming in. Sent from my iPhone using Tapatalk
linemakers Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 Billy Davis gets my vote , now that would be funny
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 Given a 6 year contract. Was always a tough first season, If I was a United fan I'd want to give him next season as well with an improved squad. But I'm not a United fan so couldn't care less.
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 We didn't have a reputation like Utd do. We hadn't strolled to the league title the year before with Sven. Pearson hasn't had the budget Moyes has. Pearson hasn't made the poor signings Moyes has. They've looked devoid of ideas, he's made excuse after excuse, won't admit when they're playing badly, has not identified to the media or on the pitch where their problems lie, he has not tried to change much, they don't attack with any speed, they're not direct, they seem to have lost any semblance of the 'United' of old. And that's just some of the footballing matters, not even considering the financial issues that surround his tenure. Totally different scenarios. Herein lies the problem. United's 'reputation' means naff all! United's 'reputation' is built on everything that SAF achieved and people forget that pre-SAF there were much worse times than 7th in the Premier League for Manchester United. It's been the same for Liverpool, and will no doubt be the same for Arsenal when Wenger leaves, that football goes in cycles. Clubs don't stay at the top for an eternity. Yes, resources and history can serve as a marker for where you'd expect a team to be but Manchester United have no divine right to be challenging for honours and in the top four just because they are Manchester United. This is what all of those 'fans' that have been brought up on success are struggling to come to terms with. The 'United of old' that you refer to is gone! Because it's SAF's Manchester United in the same way that the 'Leicester of old' went when MON left, the 'Charlton of old' when Curbishley left, the 'Leeds of old' when Revie left... there are so many examples it's unreal. Secondly you say he's made excuses. What do you expect him to do?! - "Oh Gill went with Ferguson and the new guy they've got me working with has really struggled. I asked him to get Fabregas and he didn't, then Herrera but he couldn't. Eventually I told him just to get Fellaini cos I knew we could and that we needed something for the meantime" He has had to protect himself and the things that he's had to do when tasked with the challenge of replacing the most successful British manager ever, of course he is going to make excuses! The pressure of the media glare that has been put on him (and would be on anyone in that job) has meant that he's had to try and deal with a whole load of extra stuff whilst simultaneously attempting to re-vamp a squad in desperate need of change. The guy's been fighting the media as well as everything else he's had to deal with. So he hasn't identified to media what needs to change? So what?! Why should he have to tell the media what he's attempting to do or what he's thinking?! Part of the problem is that too many inside United and outside in the wider footballing world have seen the chance to have their little piece of United having been shut out by so long by SAF. I do not blame him for trying to prevent that whatsoever. Ultimately, he might not be the right man. I'm not saying he definitely is. But he deserves more time, some patience brought about by realism and some credit for the multitude of things that he's had to deal with. Instead of pandering to the likes of Wellbeck or any 'senior pros' that might not be happy with him the right thing would be to back him (meaning Giggs you can go, so can you Ferdinand and anyone else who wants out) and give him the time and support to do what he needs to do. If they don't, we'll just have another Chelsea situation on our hands where the players were pretty much unwilling to play for anyone other than Mourinho but you can substitute Mourinho for SAF.
Salieri Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 You can still get odds on him to be the next Premier League manager to leave (1/5 Betfair) which I find surprising if it's a foregone conclusion that he's gone. All other bookies have stopped taking bets, wish I had a spare grand kicking about to whack on, buying money surely?
Manwell Pablo Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 You can say what you want about him but he can't be accused of not doing well at Everton as some have said. Everton spent more time fighting for survival than in the top half before Moyes was appointed and he turned them into a side who regularly in the mix for a European place a managed a top four finish.
fuchsntf Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 Was always going to be tough because they haven't got many players at their peak and haven't had a fully fit, on-form RVP for the whole season but the main thing for me is his purchase of Fellaini and then Mata when they already have Rooney and Kagawa. That's four important players who all play their best football in the same position, just behind the striker. Barely anything in terms of quality elsewhere in defence or midfield it seems. Agree totally, their defence and midfield need a complete overall.They do have a top strike force, but there is nobody to feed them, with quality service.
Pride_Of_The_Midlands Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 Fergie only appointed him because he was his best mate, surely even Fergie must have known he wasn't good enough for the job! I won't be surprised if Jurgen Klopp is top of the list to takeover, which is a shame really because he was one of candidates i think who should replace Hodgson as England boss. Where's Lennon going then? Cos' that's the only job worth taking up there and lets be honest me or you could do a decent job there, infact someone who doesn't even understand football could do a successful job with them. So unless he went with another SPL club he can't really do alot in Scotland. He could become Scotland manager.
Jon the Hat Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 Klopp or Van Gaal would be good. Piss off Fergue at least.
Leicesterpool Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 This is just a scenario but just saying some time ago Fergie and the Man U board suddenly realized that Moyes wasn't the man! So behind closed doors the Man U board did a deal with Moyes saying they'd pay him his full contract for the next six years if agreed to resign at the end of the season. So it wouldn't look bad on both parties! Meaning Moyes could walk away from the club making out it was his decision and the Man U board would be able to stick by there recent motto of not sacking there manager and backing him. However somebody behind the scenes as accidentally let slip that he's leaving at the end of the season! Does anyone get my drift?
Donut Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 This is just a scenario but just saying some time ago Fergie and the Man U board suddenly realized that Moyes wasn't the man! So behind closed doors the Man U board did a deal with Moyes saying they'd pay him his full contract for the next six years if agreed to resign at the end of the season. So it wouldn't look bad on both parties! Meaning Moyes could walk away from the club making out it was his decision and the Man U board would be able to stick by there recent motto of not sacking there manager and backing him. However somebody behind the scenes as accidentally let slip that he's leaving at the end of the season! Does anyone get my drift? no
Brooksy Posted 21 April 2014 Posted 21 April 2014 This is just a scenario but just saying some time ago Fergie and the Man U board suddenly realized that Moyes wasn't the man! So behind closed doors the Man U board did a deal with Moyes saying they'd pay him his full contract for the next six years if agreed to resign at the end of the season. So it wouldn't look bad on both parties! Meaning Moyes could walk away from the club making out it was his decision and the Man U board would be able to stick by there recent motto of not sacking there manager and backing him. However somebody behind the scenes as accidentally let slip that he's leaving at the end of the season! Does anyone get my drift? Do you get your drift?
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