Troy Deeney

[jayfox26]

Probably about 60k I bet, 70 at most. Might sound a lot, but I'd rather have one Bar than One Deeney and One Ulloa. We've enough Championship strikers here already.

But it comes back to the fact that having a player on considerably higher wages than every other player can upset the team morale, which Nige has worked hard to build and was a big factor in our promotion. You may be right, Ulloa and Deeney (if we sign him) could end up being terrible and it could be bad business but they could end up being assets to us as well. I would much rather keep our strong team morale going, bringing in these players that could have a massive impact, than bring in a 'big name' on massive wages and upset the morale. QPR under Mark Hughes proved that signing big names doesn't always work. I trust Nige to have the right balance in the squad and bring in the right players, on the right wages with the right attitude!

[Manwell Pablo]

Not sure what's exciting about a striker with 14 goals in the last 3 years.

Culturally you also take a huge gamble in bringing a player in from a foreign country without having tried them out in England first, which is a large factor in the "English premium" people pay.

Also re: Campbell when you talk about the £7.1 million - let's say hypothetically Campbell wanted £50k a week and Ulloa £30k. Over a 4 year deal that is over £4 million (assuming they both wanted the same length contract), so that's over half of your difference gone there.

Then Schmeichel, Mahrez, Knockaert, James etc hear that Campbell's on £50k a week and they start wondering where their slice of that pie is - as much as you'd like to think it won't happen it would be near enough inevitable that they'd want improved contracts. So you're left with either an unhappy squad or an overpaid one.

The fact is that the "headline" fee makes up a surprisingly low % of the overall cost of a player and perhaps for the purposes of team harmony we've taken the approach that it's better to pay a large transfer fee than large wages.

Or not - for all I know they might both have wanted the same wages! But the quotes transfer fees are not quite as critical in determining value as you seem to be suggesting.

 

 

Right then what you saying

 

Bojan - As I say have you seen him play I know it's the go to stat for all things strikers on this forum when discussing football at any level but there is a bit more to it than that, he's clearly got talent. A

 

Playing in England - Championship is different to Premeir League as well, many of the top players in the Prem have been bought in from abroad, and while we're on it for significantly less than 8 million. It is possible to do very clever business.

 

Campbell - the word "hypothetical" makes the point totally unworthy of any further discussion alone. 

 

I agree players on serious money probably don't fit with this silly ethos we've decided to employ but that's life unfortunate you generally have to pay better players more money if you want to get better, if our players perform they're going to want more money anyway and if they don't we're down the trap door and 100 million lighter so it's going to happen eventually. I'd view it as extremely immature if they can't take one marque signing being on a bit more than the rest of them when they're raking in a good annual salary in one week anyway but maybe that's just me. 

[Manwell Pablo]

But it comes back to the fact that having a player on considerably higher wages than every other player can upset the team morale, which Nige has worked hard to build and was a big factor in our promotion. You may be right, Ulloa and Deeney (if we sign him) could end up being terrible and it could be bad business but they could end up being assets to us as well. I would much rather keep our strong team morale going, bringing in these players that could have a massive impact, than bring in a 'big name' on massive wages and upset the morale. QPR under Mark Hughes proved that signing big names doesn't always work. I trust Nige to have the right balance in the squad and bring in the right players, on the right wages with the right attitude!

 

It's one name! one! I'm not saying smash the squad to pieces and start again but we're buying Championship players for Premeir League prices!

[Babylon]

It is not measurable. There are too many outside factors, x was beter than y last season but when x is signing a load of new players and y is not nescc making it's team stronger and could be playing a different formation the next year against a totally different set of variables to the season previous it is not measurable, it's a totally different equation. Means nothing, Palace were clearly the weakest of the promoted teams last season yet finished the highest the following season, despite losing their top scorer the previous year for most of the season, unmeasurable, irrelevant, it does not matter one jot what happened last season.

If it's not a measurable then why doesn't every team start on the same odds for promotion or relegation. Bookies for instance take into account previous performances etc, it's a measurable albeit not perfect. We were a much better team FACT, therefore basic common sense says they probably need more strengthening to us.

[jayfox26]

Right then what you saying

Bojan - As I say have you seen him play I know it's the go to stat for all things strikers on this forum when discussing football at any level but there is a bit more to it than that, he's clearly got talent. A

Playing in England - Championship is different to Premeir League as well, many of the top players in the Prem have been bought in from abroad, and while we're on it for significantly less than 8 million. It is possible to do very clever business.

Campbell - the word "hypothetical" makes the point totally unworthy of any further discussion alone.

I agree players on serious money probably don't fit with this silly ethos we've decided to employ but that's life unfortunate you generally have to pay better players more money if you want to get better, if our players perform they're going to want more money anyway and if they don't we're down the trap door and 100 million lighter so it's going to happen eventually. I'd view it as extremely immature if they can't take one marque signing being on a bit more than the rest of them when they're raking in a good annual salary in one week anyway but maybe that's just me.

you don't always need big name signings to succeed, I'd love to finish where Palace finished last season and they had no 'big names'

[Babylon]

You said "Where are all these proven Strikers going for less than 8 Million" Not "Where are all these strikers that are going for less than 8 million that fit our structure, Pearson's vision, our wage budget and would be interested in Leicester City" So there circumstances are completely irrelevant when answering the question you asked. I am demonstrating good football business, not transfers we have missed out on. 

Well I would have thought basic common sense that Leicester fans, on a Leicester board, talking about signings for Leicester.... might have been discussing people that we we actually stood a chance of signing.

 

I'll try to spell it out a bit more in future.

[marko]

you don't always need big name signings to succeed, I'd love to finish where Palace finished last season and they had no 'big names'

 

And look at what MON did for us. No big names in there, but it didn't work out too badly for us.

[Manwell Pablo]

If it's not a measurable then why doesn't every team start on the same odds for promotion or relegation. Bookies for instance take into account previous performances etc, it's a measurable albeit not perfect. We were a much better team FACT, therefore basic common sense says they probably need more strengthening to us.

 

Well not at all the bookies take other things into account, such as who plays for who, who's in charge.

 

What you are saying is they'd have them lined up odds wise with City first and QPR last, us 18th, etc as that's the order they finished in last season.

 

Why don't you have a look at Southampton or Blackpool's odds for the drop this season?

[Manwell Pablo]

you don't always need big name signings to succeed, I'd love to finish where Palace finished last season and they had no 'big names'

 

It doesn't have to be a big name if it's a player who can do the job I don't care if they cost 100k if they score 12 goals. 

[jayfox26]

It doesn't have to be a big name if it's a player who can do the job I don't care if they cost 100k if they score 12 goals.

so why are you so adamant that Ulloa and/or Deeney couldn't get 12 goals? Even if Ulloa only scores 7-10 if he plays well and contributes to the team scoring goals, thats fine by me. The main thing I dont understand with many of our fans, is why they don't have faith in Nige's transfer dealings? His transfers for us have generally been excellent. If Nige has identified Ulloa and Deeney ss 2 players that can make a difference to out squad, the price is irrelevant.

[Manwell Pablo]

so why are you so adamant that Ulloa and/or Deeney couldn't get 12 goals? Even if Ulloa only scores 7-10 if he plays well and contributes to the team scoring goals, thats fine by me. The main thing I dont understand with many of our fans, is why they don't have faith in Nige's transfer dealings? His transfers for us have generally been excellent. If Nige has identified Ulloa and Deeney ss 2 players that can make a difference to out squad, the price is irrelevant.

 

Because I've seen enough Ulloa and Deeney to tell me that I don't think they'll score 12 goals in the Prem.

 

Pretty simple really.

 

Happy with 7 goals from a 8 Million pound striker. 

 

Christ. 

[Fox Ulike]

It's one name! one! I'm not saying smash the squad to pieces and start again but we're buying Championship players for Premeir League prices!

 

This is painful.

 

An average Premiership player with re-sale value (ie under 30) costs about £20m. Dejan Lovren £20m. Callum Chambers £16m. Southampton are asking £27m for Schneiderlin.

 

Also, please stop using the phrase “proven premiership player”. It’s meaningless. However, if you want to buy what you would call a “proven Premiershp player” it costs around £20m. 

 

If McCormack costs £11m and Deeney is worth £10m then why is Ulloa at £8m a “premier league” price?

 

[Manwell Pablo]

This is painful.

 

 

 

An average Premiership player with re-sale value (ie under 30) costs about £20m. Dejan Lovren £20m. Callum Chambers £16m. Southampton are asking £27m for Schneiderlin.

 

 

 

Also, please stop using the phrase “proven premiership player”. It’s meaningless. However, if you want to buy what you would call a “proven Premiershp player” it costs around £20m. 

 

 

 

If McCormack costs £11m and Deeney is worth £10m then why is Ulloa at £8m a “premier league” price?

 

 

 

No, they finished 8th, two places off a European place, didn't they, If you want to buy  a player to challenge for a European place then maybe. I don't recall using the term proven Premiership player once if I have a apologise, Proven top level player maybe. I've given plenty of examples of proven top level goal scorers going for less than 8 million in this thread and can easily find more if you want? 

 

And 20 Million perhaps isn't so unrealistic given we're spending it on two players I'd argue we don't even need.

 

McCormack isn't worth 11 Million he was a rip off as well

[JJS84]

Because I've seen enough Ulloa and Deeney to tell me that I don't think they'll score 12 goals in the Prem.

Pretty simple really.

Happy with 7 goals from a 8 Million pound striker.

Christ.

So essentially your argument is based on your ability to judge player ability on the odd live match and highlight clips over the ability of the highly paid professional scouts the club employ with proven track records that will have watched these players for years?!

[paddy Agyemang]

Don't know what's going on with this transfer but pull the plug and get an unknown striker from abroad cheap 5-6 mill

Alternatively we could get Hernandez for roughly 12 mill which is a top move for us and him

[jayfox26]

Because I've seen enough Ulloa and Deeney to tell me that I don't think they'll score 12 goals in the Prem.

Pretty simple really.

Happy with 7 goals from a 8 Million pound striker.

Christ.

It's not always about scoring loads of goals. Not many teams in the prem, except the top teams have one striker that scores regularly. We have many players that can chip in with goals so its not down to Ulloa to score 12 or more, its down to him to play well and complement the team and others around him. If he got 7 goals and 10 assists, would that be classed as disappointing? Not in my opinion it wouldn't. Drinky, Knocky, Mahrez, Nuge, Vardy and Ulloa are all capable of scoring so we don't have to rely on one player to score all the goals.

Also, you've eluded to my comment about why so many of our fans don't trust Nigels transfer dealings?

[AKCJ]

Demba Ba's gone for six FFS 

 

 

We were quite clearly had (and Watford are having us again) have to have your head up your own arse not to see that. 

 

 

Mate, you need to get around the fact that there are wages involved in Football.

 

Demba Ba (according to a google search) was on 150k p/w

 

He had two years on his contract left, worth 16m.

 

 

So basically Chelsea will be 24m better off without Ba whereas Brighton will be about 9m better off after selling Ulloa. So we've not been 'had' at all.

[me_plus_one]

Is there any news on the transfer situation of Troy, any further news/reports?

[Kitchandro]

I don't think these strikers are an improvement on Nugent & Vardy if I'm honest. Regardless of price tag that is the important thing.

[Manwell Pablo]

It's not always about scoring loads of goals. Not many teams in the prem, except the top teams have one striker that scores regularly. We have many players that can chip in with goals so its not down to Ulloa to score 12 or more, its down to him to play well and complement the team and others around him. If he got 7 goals and 10 assists, would that be classed as disappointing? Not in my opinion it wouldn't. Drinky, Knocky, Mahrez, Nuge, Vardy and Ulloa are all capable of scoring so we don't have to rely on one player to score all the goals.

Also, you've eluded to my comment about why so many of our fans don't trust Nigels transfer dealings?

 

I say again, happy with 7 goals for 8 million pounds, christ.

 

I've missed it, I would trust his judgement if I didn't have my own, I've seen more than the "odd game and highlight real" of both players, especially Deeney, I don't think their worth it. Just because Pearson does doesn't mean I have to agree with him, call my an arm chair manager all you want that is quite simply how I see it.

[chapero82]

If they do the business for us all the people on here saying they are no better than what we already have etc will be wanting to suck them off come May that is what makes me laugh

[Manwell Pablo]

Mate, you need to get around the fact that there are wages involved in Football.

 

Demba Ba (according to a google search) was on 150k p/w

 

He had two years on his contract left, worth 16m.

 

 

So basically Chelsea will be 24m better off without Ba whereas Brighton will be about 9m better off after selling Ulloa. So we've not been 'had' at all.

 

Er yeah, plus the 10 million pound transfer fee we're possibly going to pay!

 

If I'm going to argue with the whole forum you could at least be consistent. I think you need to compare the figure Babs pulled out of his arse with the one you've pulled out of your arse, your 50-70 grand p/w away from each other.

 

Either way, there is no way Beskitas are paying him that much without being guaranteed a CL group place, regardless of what the papers say.

 

And I'm the one that doesn't understand football wages.

[muzzy1981]

I agree with whoever mentioned the wages. From Pearsons point of view he is probably happy to spunk some cash so he gets his targets but he is canny enough to ensure wages don't bankrupt is should we go down, which is a sound plan IMO. Competition for quality strikers is high and we can't afford to waist time over a couple of mill.

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[Manwell Pablo]

If they do the business for us all the people on here saying they are no better than what we already have etc will be wanting to suck them off come May that is what makes me laugh

 

Yeah and if we're shit all the people in here sucking of Nigel Pearson will be calling for his head and calling his incoming players wank, that's what makes me laugh.

[ROB-THE-BLUE]

Is it just me that scrolls quickly down all the long winded boring posts without any interest in the hope there is a post with a Rob Tanner tweet with some actual news?!