teblin Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 In other news. Watford sign striker Maybe pathing the way for Deeney to leave
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 I never claimed to know what Ba is on. I said that I got ~150k p/w from a google search. But you're missing the entire point. Chelsea don't need to sell at such a high price because Besiktas bought out Ba's contract (however expensive that may be). What we do know is that Ba would have been on a shed load more than Deeney or Ulloa. You're so ignorant to think that the transfer fee is all that is relevant. Right, i'll try and spell it out even simpler for you. Because this is like pulling teeth. Right, lets say for the same of argument that Leo was on a wage of 5k p/w at Brighton which is just over the League average and probably about right. Lets also say that Ba was on this 60k that you've pulled out of your arse. 5000 x 52 = 260k 60000 x 52 = 3.12m So Ulloa's salary would be 260k whereas Ba's would have been 3.12m. Leo had 3 years remaining on his contract. 260k x 3 = 780k Ba had 2 years remaining on his contract. 3.12m x 2 = 6.24m Next we need to look at how valuable the player is to the selling club. Leo was Brighton's top scorer for two seasons in a row and is easily their best player. Whereas Demba Ba couldn't get into Chelsea's side. From that you can pretty much guess that Ba wasn't needed at Chelsea whereas Leo was for Brighton. Next you need to look at how different a transfer fee would have been for both clubs a year or so down the line. Ba would be 30 years old and into the final year of his conract. Chelsea would have had to decide if he'd have played much this season, the answer was clear that he was surplus to requirements. Whereas Leo would be 29 with two years of his contract left with a high chance that he'd have been Brighton's top scorer again (and also the league's top scorer). From that information you can tell that Ulloa would have kept his value whereas Ba would continue to lose his. You also lose Ba to the ACON for a month, so his value drops even further. Overall, Chelsea would have been glad of a 6m offer for Ba. It gets them out of a **** load of wages that would be wasted on the bench for an ageing player whereas Brighton wanted even more because he's the best player they have. I think you'll find you are trying to explain "how football wages work" to me so I'm sorry if I assume the figures your quote are what you view as accurate. You are the one who "knows who it works" lets remember I get your point it is quite obvious, however at the risk of repeating myself AGAIN it is irrelevant to the discussion as WE ARE THE BUYING CLUB (and you say it's painful ), the situation of the selling club is totally irrelevant to any point being discussed, there are a number of reasons why Ba went for 6 million, it is neither here nor there. We as a buying club with 8 million pounds could of gone out and got better than Ulloa and to bring us back on to topic, we can certainly do better than go out and wax 7.5 Million on Deeney on top of that. You are correct different clubs will sell different players for more or less money than they are worth in Ba's case he isn't playing and is on a reasonable wage although I doubt Chelsea have sold him cheap because they desperately need the money. So well done on wasting your time typing that essay out. This circumstance of other clubs are something we, as a buying club, should be taking advantage of to land good players for reasonable fee's. Not Championship players for inflated fees. Or in this case, two Championship strikers for inflated fees when we already have four Championship strikers at the club!
AKCJ Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 I think you'll find you are trying to explain "how football wages work" to me so I'm sorry if I assume the figures your quote are what you view as accurate. You are the one who "knows who it works" lets remember I get your point it is quite obvious, however at the risk of repeating myself AGAIN it is irrelevant to the discussion as WE ARE THE BUYING CLUB (and you say it's painful ), the situation of the selling club is totally irrelevant to any point being discussed, there are a number of reasons why Ba went for 6 million, it is neither here nor there. We as a buying club with 8 million pounds could of gone out and got better than Ulloa and to bring us back on to topic, we can certainly do better than go out and wax 7.5 Million on Deeney on top of that. You are correct different clubs will sell different players for more or less money than they are worth in Ba's case he isn't playing and is on a reasonable wage although I doubt Chelsea have sold him cheap because they desperately need the money. So well done on wasting your time typing that essay out. This circumstance of other clubs are something we, as a buying club, should be taking advantage of to land good players for reasonable fee's. Not Championship players for inflated fees. Or in this case, two Championship strikers for inflated fees when we already have four Championship strikers at the club! I'm responding to your original question of "BA LEFT CHELSEA FOR ONLY 6M WE'VE BIN HAD", you ****wit.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 I'm responding to your original question of "BA LEFT CHELSEA FOR ONLY 6M WE'VE BIN HAD", you ****wit. A) That's a statement, not a question. B) They were in different paragraphs, not directly connected, seems your grasp of the English language is as good as your grasp of football wages C) Ba did leave Chelsea for 6 million and reduced wages a remarkable better deal than these two clowns for 18 million on around the same wage D) I didn't write in capitals E) It was part of a discussion with Babylon, he wanted names of good strikers going for less than 8 million, I was merely naming them. No need to get abusive just because your being bent over.
AKCJ Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 A) That's a statement, not a question. B) They were in different paragraphs, not directly connected, seems your grasp of the English language is as good as your grasp of football wages C) Ba did leave Chelsea for 6 million and reduced wages a remarkable better deal than these two clowns for 18 million on around the same wage D) I didn't write in capitals E) It was part of a discussion with Babylon, he wanted names of good strikers going for less than 8 million, I was merely naming them. No need to get abusive just because your being bent over. How the **** is Ba on 60k p/w a better deal than Ulloa on less than half that? You're clueless mate. at the last sentence though, when everyone in this thread thinks you're a clown. Demba Ba a better deal lol Freak.
VLC86 Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 In other news. Watford sign striker Maybe pathing the way for Deeney to leave Signed on loan, from another club owned by the same people. Such a shock.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 How the **** is Ba on 60k p/w a better deal than Ulloa on less than half that? You're clueless mate. at the last sentence though, when everyone in this thread thinks you're a clown. Demba Ba a better deal lol Freak. Because he's a much better player and 2-4 Million cheaper. I don't think anyone else has insinuated I'm a clown we're having a discussion, something your limited intellect seems to be incapable of doing without getting childish. So jog along.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Signed on loan, from another club owned by the same people. Such a shock. There has been some proper dodgey stuff going on at Watford this season. Someone has told me they've signed a player with a two year contract on a two year loan deal with the player admitting he'll never play for his parent club.
MPH Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 I've answered that question already in here twice that's probably why and I'm not going to repeat myself. And again I think I've detailed what alternatives I would like enough times.
AKCJ Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Because he's a much better player and 2-4 Million cheaper. I don't think anyone else has insinuated I'm a clown we're having a discussion, something your limited intellect seems to be incapable of doing without getting childish. So jog along. BUT HE'S NOT 2-4 MILLION CHEAPER. HOW MANY ****ING TIMES DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT.
Babylon Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Well not at all the bookies take other things into account, such as who plays for who, who's in charge. What you are saying is they'd have them lined up odds wise with City first and QPR last, us 18th, etc as that's the order they finished in last season. Why don't you have a look at Southampton or Blackpool's odds for the drop this season? Jesus ****ing christ, perhaps you should go aback and read the original ****ing point.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 BUT HE'S NOT 2-4 MILLION CHEAPER. HOW MANY ****ING TIMES DO I NEED TO SPELL IT OUT. Well he is. His wages might be more but transfer fee is clearly 2-4 million cheaper and he is a much better player.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Jesus ****ing christ, perhaps you should go aback and read the original ****ing point. Really can't be bothered, you can't measure a Championship teams chances of staying up in the Premier League by the order they finished in the Championship whether they keep the same team or make wholesale changes it is really quite that simple.
AKCJ Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Well he is. His wages might be more but transfer fee is clearly 2-4 million cheaper and he is a much better player. No, he isn't you moron. Like I've explained to you. A transfer is so much more than the up front fee. I can't even be arsed anymore. This is almost as bad as arguing with Kingfox. In future I suggest you take in other people's information to enhance your own understanding and knowledge, it's called educating yourself.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 No, he isn't you moron. Like I've explained to you. A transfer is so much more than the up front fee. I can't even be arsed anymore. This is almost as bad as arguing with Kingfox. In future I suggest you take in other people's information to enhance your own understanding and knowledge, it's called educating yourself. And, like I've explained to you, I get that. The Transfer fee is still actually part of it you know, and all I've said is that's 2-4 Million cheaper, and for the fourth time, he's a better player, I'm happy to pay a better play more a week, certainly over a combination of Deeney and Ulloa. Your information you done another google search then?
LCCFox96 Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 In other news. Watford sign striker Maybe pathing the way for Deeney to leave Looking at their current squad they have Deeney, Forestieri, Ranegie, Acuna, Fabbrini, Vydra, Ighalo and three youth strikers all registered in their squad. 7 first team forwards is a lot so there may be some truth in this paving the way for Deeney to leave even if he won't be signing for us. With that number of forwards in their books and Watford's ability to get someone of the quality of Vydra in on a cheap loan it seems stupid not to cash in on Deeney with such an inflated fee being mooted. Also Harry Redknapp was on Sky Sports after their most recent pre-season friendly talking about how's he's desperate to bolster his striking options. These two recent bits of news could be signs of any clubs deal for Deeney progressing.
AKCJ Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 And, like I've explained to you, I get that. The Transfer fee is still actually part of it you know, and all I've said is that's 2-4 Million cheaper, and for the fourth time, he's a better player, I'm happy to pay a better play more a week, certainly over a combination of Deeney and Ulloa. If you 'get that' then why do you still think that Demba Ba is cheaper? You're clueless mate. As for him being a better player, he scored 7 in 33. I bet Ulloa beats that. You're also thinking that it's a wise idea to pay a player double our wage budget. We're not QPR.
Babylon Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Really can't be bothered, you can't measure a Championship teams chances of staying up in the Premier League by the order they finished in the Championship whether they keep the same team or make wholesale changes it is really quite that simple. :frusty: :frusty: Nobody said it was THE measure or a perfect measure. But this is quite simply a fact, the Leicester team that finished the season on 102 points was better than the QPR team that finished on 80 points. So when actually forming an opinion on a teams chances, or how much they might need to strengthen it's actually something real to base an it around, it's a fact, it happened. It's not just based on a sodding hunch.
benpicko Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Is this thread actually moving forward because we're getting a steady trickle of information every day or are people just arguing about players we should sign instead of Deeney?
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 If you 'get that' then why do you still think that Demba Ba is cheaper? You're clueless mate. As for him being a better player, he scored 7 in 33. I bet Ulloa beats that. You're also thinking that it's a wise idea to pay a player double our wage budget. We're not QPR. I've said his transfer fee is cheaper, because I realize the difference between 6 and 8-10 is 2-4 Million. If that makes me clueless fair enough He wont beat 7 in 12 or 29 in 54 though will he. Not even convinced he'll beat 7 in 33 to be quite frank. Chelsea have made better strikers than Ba look a lot worse than they are, one's a World Cup Winner. Well if we're willing to pay for Deeney and Ulloa to play for us every week, I don't see how it's "double our wage budget" more than Pearson wants to pay for one player but that's to do with squad morale not our overall wage budget which is not a management decision I particularly agree with.
Manwell Pablo Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 :frusty: :frusty: Nobody said it was THE measure or a perfect measure. But this is quite simply a fact, the Leicester team that finished the season on 102 points was better than the QPR team that finished on 80 points. So when actually forming an opinion on a teams chances, or how much they might need to strengthen it's actually something real to base an it around, it's a fact, it happened. It's not just based on a sodding hunch. You can measure it like that if you want, Prem's a different division, seen plenty of teams go up in the play offs and survive comfortable with few additions and League winners come crashing down having spent millions. So if it's a real measurement its a completely inaccurate one making it useless.
Unabomber Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Someone should turn this thread into a podcast, I've not read it but it seems intense.
AKCJ Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Someone should turn this thread into a podcast, I've not read it but it seems intense. I'd be Ricky Gervais, Babs would be Stephen Merchant and Manwell Pablo would be Karl Pilkington.
kingfox Posted 30 July 2014 Posted 30 July 2014 Where's Pablo's bum chum Facecloth to back him up, 2 on 1 attack here.
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