Manwell Pablo Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 I was expecting a bid for Ulloa this summer as soon as he scored that second goal against us in April. We did the same with Drinkwater when he ran the show for Barnsley against us. Ulloa just looked so different to what we already have. Admittedly, I wasn't expecting us to pursue him so much and at such cost, but we could hardly have a manager who's more careful with money than Pearson. To be honest, I'm not too bothered about the price tag. It's not like we've spent tens of millions and can't afford to waste a penny. If we don't spend much else this summer then it won't be a big outlay overall relative to our income. I also don't think you can judge Ulloa too accurately based on his time at Brighton given that it looks like we'll be playing him alongside a strike partner. It's a completely different role. As for whether he'll be effective or not, well... he could score five and yet be a huge success. He could, at a push, score ten and yet be a failure. The key is how much we are sacrificing both in attack and defence through taking pace and pressing out of our forward line, and whether Ulloa can make up for that through strength, aerial ability and finishing. That would still be the case even if we'd signed a cheaper target man from a foreign league. Yes well the problem with that particular game was the team was under strength and in Liquid and Envy to the early hours of Sunday morning, we were clearly nowhere near our best and I have no doubt he wouldn't have looked half as good in that game had it not been for that fact. If I was Pearson I'd be struggling to read to much into that performance myself. If we bought clever from Europe we'd have a better player and more money. And to try and pull the thread back on topic because people are spitting their dummies I certainly think we can do better than pay another 8 for Deeney.
Fez of Mahrez Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Yeah, I wouldn't buy Deeney now. Striking options seem good to me. As everyone keeps saying, we need a left back more than anything.
Manwell Pablo Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Yeah, I wouldn't buy Deeney now. Striking options seem good to me. As everyone keeps saying, we need a left back more than anything. Agreed, slightly worrying we haven't been linked to one I'm starting to think he's going to go with Schlup
Dr The Singh Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Agreed, slightly worrying we haven't been linked to one I'm starting to think he's going to go with Schlup Schlup is not good enough at this level, he failed to establish himself as a champ striker. Pearson obviously believes that scoring goals or taking chances is our best bet, last season we created a abundance of chances and were wasteful at times, we won't have that luxury this season so he needs more pptions
Guest Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Jesus ****ing Christ, it's like listening to a group of people who haven't the foggiest what happens in football. Ulloa cost £8m+add ons. He cost that much because: 1 - NP really wanted him having identified him as a player having all the attributes required to play a different role to what we have (bearing in mind it's patently obvious that Wood has been deemed surplus to requirements having not really shone since his first ten games here). 2- Ulloa has experience within English football and NP considers the ability to step up to Prem level. 3- the Prem is awash with money and any signing costs more than they should 4 - The Championship clubs have identified that the only way to get money from the latest TV Prem deal to filter down is to charge ridiculous prices. It's actually good for English football as a whole that they do this to get money out of the Prem. Bearing in mind the new TV deals are worth soooooo much more than ever before, and therefore Prem clubs have much much increased incomes, it's natural supply and demand that prices to those clubs will increase. It's basic economics. If everybody in the country erned £20k more then every item in Asda would cost more, that's the way money works. 5- Yes, you can buy cheaper abroad but you run into potential problems - first, there are a plethora of crap to average players that are marketed as cheaper versions of English players (think the likes of the Hondurus crowd that Bruce brought to the Prem). These are often fairly limited players potential wise. Secondly you have potential stars aboad - think Wolfswinkel, Alfonso, Veron etc etc etc - with no evidence tht they can play to the style or speed of English football there are huge risks in spending big on foreign players that aren't quite at the real top level (I realise Veron was or should have been)- there re so many examples of this it's unreal that people question why we don't spend £10m on x foerign player. I mean Slimani ffs - who can say they know anything about him yet many would happily see us spend on him but not Deeney who has proven he can play in England and score plenty of goals and who has looked to have some really useful attributes for the Prem - strength, a turn of speed over a short distance, power, good shot, knows where the goal is etc. People use players they hadn't heard of as examples of potential starts - Viera, Anelka, Morata etc but they were huge youth stars who were available to only top top quality teams not the likes of us right now. You wait, Stoke have bought two foreign players with bigish names and they'll both flop (Bojan and the ex utd guy). Neither are top quality. Deeney has all their attributes and more but yes will cost more due to the way finance in English football has gone. 6- On another issue, people are saying that NP has gone a different direction because Ulloa/Deeney are not unknowns but NP/Walsh are looking for quality at a reasonable price. Knocky and Mahrez were obviously within that envelope but the idea that Ulloa and Deeeny are a departure is stupid. They are players of a type we are looking for as with Knocky/Mahrez. There are no unheard of french league 2 strikers. strikers are the most sought after players going and nobody is unaware of what is out there. Knocky wsn't under the rdar - Newcastle had wanted him for a while but decided against going for him. Mahrez has suitors elsewhere but was only really breaking through. Do you really want us to spend £500k on a just breaking through striker in fench league 2 for the Prem?
Dr The Singh Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Jesus ****ing Christ, it's like listening to a group of people who haven't the foggiest what happens in football. Ulloa cost £8m+add ons. He cost that much because: 1 - NP really wanted him having identified him as a player having all the attributes required to play a different role to what we have (bearing in mind it's patently obvious that Wood has been deemed surplus to requirements having not really shone since his first ten games here). 2- Ulloa has experience within English football and NP considers the ability to step up to Prem level. 3- the Prem is awash with money and any signing costs more than they should 4 - The Championship clubs have identified that the only way to get money from the latest TV Prem deal to filter down is to charge ridiculous prices. It's actually good for English football as a whole that they do this to get money out of the Prem. Bearing in mind the new TV deals are worth soooooo much more than ever before, and therefore Prem clubs have much much increased incomes, it's natural supply and demand that prices to those clubs will increase. It's basic economics. If everybody in the country erned £20k more then every item in Asda would cost more, that's the way money works. 5- Yes, you can buy cheaper abroad but you run into potential problems - first, there are a plethora of crap to average players that are marketed as cheaper versions of English players (think the likes of the Hondurus crowd that Bruce brought to the Prem). These are often fairly limited players potential wise. Secondly you have potential stars aboad - think Wolfswinkel, Alfonso, Veron etc etc etc - with no evidence tht they can play to the style or speed of English football there are huge risks in spending big on foreign players that aren't quite at the real top level (I realise Veron was or should have been)- there re so many examples of this it's unreal that people question why we don't spend £10m on x foerign player. I mean Slimani ffs - who can say they know anything about him yet many would happily see us spend on him but not Deeney who has proven he can play in England and score plenty of goals and who has looked to have some really useful attributes for the Prem - strength, a turn of speed over a short distance, power, good shot, knows where the goal is etc. People use players they hadn't heard of as examples of potential starts - Viera, Anelka, Morata etc but they were huge youth stars who were available to only top top quality teams not the likes of us right now. You wait, Stoke have bought two foreign players with bigish names and they'll both flop (Bojan and the ex utd guy). Neither are top quality. Deeney has all their attributes and more but yes will cost more due to the way finance in English football has gone. 6- On another issue, people are saying that NP has gone a different direction because Ulloa/Deeney are not unknowns but NP/Walsh are looking for quality at a reasonable price. Knocky and Mahrez were obviously within that envelope but the idea that Ulloa and Deeeny are a departure is stupid. They are players of a type we are looking for as with Knocky/Mahrez. There are no unheard of french league 2 strikers. strikers are the most sought after players going and nobody is unaware of what is out there. Knocky wsn't under the rdar - Newcastle had wanted him for a while but decided against going for him. Mahrez has suitors elsewhere but was only really breaking through. Do you really want us to spend £500k on a just breaking through striker in fench league 2 for the Prem? Thank you for enlightening us toddy. I will get back to you as soon as my mummy reads me a bed time story and the lessons of life.
filbertway Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Would we class Deeney as a hardworking striker similar to Vardy? Just wondering if Pearson is looking for someone similar to Vardy as we seemed to look weaker last season without his pressuring of opposition defences. Pearson clearly values a team of players that will pitch in for the cause and it will probably help us this season as it did last. That being said, the thought of spending £10 million on a Troy Deeney makes me feel sick. I find it hard to argue with Pearson and his backroom staff after how well they have done. They seem to find players to suit a system and style rather than buying a player who has done well at another club but wouldn't suit a role. Also if we were to go down, we'd have a proven squad to try and come straight back up again.
MC Prussian Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Schlup is not good enough at this level, he failed to establish himself as a champ striker. Pearson obviously believes that scoring goals or taking chances is our best bet, last season we created a abundance of chances and were wasteful at times, we won't have that luxury this season so he needs more pptions Well, I do see your point. But Schlupp will highly likely not feature up front for us this coming season (and maybe even beyond that), so I'd have a little more faith in Jeffrey being able to cut the mustard as a left-back (or left winger, who knows?).
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 I think Schlupp is going to be a revelation this year, would only be worried if he had a spell out.
Master Fox Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Jesus ****ing Christ, it's like listening to a group of people who haven't the foggiest what happens in football.Bore off. Nobody wants to sit there and read all of that rubbish. Even if you think that your opinion matters more. Writing a gigantic amount of nonsense doesn't give your post anymore credibility.
Dr The Singh Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Bore off. Nobody wants to sit there and read all of that rubbish. Even if you think that your opinion matters more. Writing a gigantic amount of nonsense doesn't give your post anymore credibility. Ha ha ha! MF buddy we gotta hook for some pre match, post match action
Guest Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Bore off. Nobody wants to sit there and read all of that rubbish. Even if you think that your opinion matters more. Writing a gigantic amount of nonsense doesn't give your post anymore credibility. no, but then having read the content of yours hasn't lent your opinions any more credibility either.
Guest Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Thank you for enlightening us toddy. I will get back to you as soon as my mummy reads me a bed time story and the lessons of life. well several people have managed to read the tripe on the preceeding pages without reflecting on economic realities.
5waller5 Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Jesus ****ing Christ, it's like listening to a group of people who haven't the foggiest what happens in football. Ulloa cost £8m+add ons. He cost that much because: 1 - NP really wanted him having identified him as a player having all the attributes required to play a different role to what we have (bearing in mind it's patently obvious that Wood has been deemed surplus to requirements having not really shone since his first ten games here). 2- Ulloa has experience within English football and NP considers the ability to step up to Prem level. 3- the Prem is awash with money and any signing costs more than they should 4 - The Championship clubs have identified that the only way to get money from the latest TV Prem deal to filter down is to charge ridiculous prices. It's actually good for English football as a whole that they do this to get money out of the Prem. Bearing in mind the new TV deals are worth soooooo much more than ever before, and therefore Prem clubs have much much increased incomes, it's natural supply and demand that prices to those clubs will increase. It's basic economics. If everybody in the country erned £20k more then every item in Asda would cost more, that's the way money works. 5- Yes, you can buy cheaper abroad but you run into potential problems - first, there are a plethora of crap to average players that are marketed as cheaper versions of English players (think the likes of the Hondurus crowd that Bruce brought to the Prem). These are often fairly limited players potential wise. Secondly you have potential stars aboad - think Wolfswinkel, Alfonso, Veron etc etc etc - with no evidence tht they can play to the style or speed of English football there are huge risks in spending big on foreign players that aren't quite at the real top level (I realise Veron was or should have been)- there re so many examples of this it's unreal that people question why we don't spend £10m on x foerign player. I mean Slimani ffs - who can say they know anything about him yet many would happily see us spend on him but not Deeney who has proven he can play in England and score plenty of goals and who has looked to have some really useful attributes for the Prem - strength, a turn of speed over a short distance, power, good shot, knows where the goal is etc. People use players they hadn't heard of as examples of potential starts - Viera, Anelka, Morata etc but they were huge youth stars who were available to only top top quality teams not the likes of us right now. You wait, Stoke have bought two foreign players with bigish names and they'll both flop (Bojan and the ex utd guy). Neither are top quality. Deeney has all their attributes and more but yes will cost more due to the way finance in English football has gone. 6- On another issue, people are saying that NP has gone a different direction because Ulloa/Deeney are not unknowns but NP/Walsh are looking for quality at a reasonable price. Knocky and Mahrez were obviously within that envelope but the idea that Ulloa and Deeeny are a departure is stupid. They are players of a type we are looking for as with Knocky/Mahrez. There are no unheard of french league 2 strikers. strikers are the most sought after players going and nobody is unaware of what is out there. Knocky wsn't under the rdar - Newcastle had wanted him for a while but decided against going for him. Mahrez has suitors elsewhere but was only really breaking through. Do you really want us to spend £500k on a just breaking through striker in fench league 2 for the Prem? You really don't need that many words .... He cost us that much money because of a simple rule of economics: Supply and demand. I think Schlupp is going to be a revelation this year, would only be worried if he had a spell out. I agree ....I think he'll revel in the Prem and be a very good left back.
johnny the fox Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 What worries me about the lad is nowt to do with his ability, I just happen to think his eyes are too wide apart for my liking... it bothers me.
yorkie1999 Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 What worries me about the lad is nowt to do with his ability, I just happen to think his eyes are too wide apart for my liking... it bothers me. But at least it puts the goalie off when he's taking a penalty!!
johnny the fox Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 But at least it puts the goalie off when he's taking a penalty!! Look mate, if they can crack his skull at the top take out half an inch of cranium and seal it up again.. Im more than happy to have him here..plus he would thank us for it in the long run..
jonthefox Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 I'm sick of this thread now. Sign up troy or fook off.
Fox92 Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 I cannot see us going for him. We've signed Ulloa, a target man - the kind of player we wanted -, so why go for the exact same in Deeney? Especially, at quoted, £7million or £8million or £9million, I just cannot see it happening.
Collymore Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Jesus ****ing Christ, it's like listening to a group of people who haven't the foggiest what happens in football. Ulloa cost £8m+add ons. He cost that much because: 1 - NP really wanted him having identified him as a player having all the attributes required to play a different role to what we have (bearing in mind it's patently obvious that Wood has been deemed surplus to requirements having not really shone since his first ten games here). 2- Ulloa has experience within English football and NP considers the ability to step up to Prem level. 3- the Prem is awash with money and any signing costs more than they should 4 - The Championship clubs have identified that the only way to get money from the latest TV Prem deal to filter down is to charge ridiculous prices. It's actually good for English football as a whole that they do this to get money out of the Prem. Bearing in mind the new TV deals are worth soooooo much more than ever before, and therefore Prem clubs have much much increased incomes, it's natural supply and demand that prices to those clubs will increase. It's basic economics. If everybody in the country erned £20k more then every item in Asda would cost more, that's the way money works. 5- Yes, you can buy cheaper abroad but you run into potential problems - first, there are a plethora of crap to average players that are marketed as cheaper versions of English players (think the likes of the Hondurus crowd that Bruce brought to the Prem). These are often fairly limited players potential wise. Secondly you have potential stars aboad - think Wolfswinkel, Alfonso, Veron etc etc etc - with no evidence tht they can play to the style or speed of English football there are huge risks in spending big on foreign players that aren't quite at the real top level (I realise Veron was or should have been)- there re so many examples of this it's unreal that people question why we don't spend £10m on x foerign player. I mean Slimani ffs - who can say they know anything about him yet many would happily see us spend on him but not Deeney who has proven he can play in England and score plenty of goals and who has looked to have some really useful attributes for the Prem - strength, a turn of speed over a short distance, power, good shot, knows where the goal is etc. People use players they hadn't heard of as examples of potential starts - Viera, Anelka, Morata etc but they were huge youth stars who were available to only top top quality teams not the likes of us right now. You wait, Stoke have bought two foreign players with bigish names and they'll both flop (Bojan and the ex utd guy). Neither are top quality. Deeney has all their attributes and more but yes will cost more due to the way finance in English football has gone. 6- On another issue, people are saying that NP has gone a different direction because Ulloa/Deeney are not unknowns but NP/Walsh are looking for quality at a reasonable price. Knocky and Mahrez were obviously within that envelope but the idea that Ulloa and Deeeny are a departure is stupid. They are players of a type we are looking for as with Knocky/Mahrez. There are no unheard of french league 2 strikers. strikers are the most sought after players going and nobody is unaware of what is out there. Knocky wsn't under the rdar - Newcastle had wanted him for a while but decided against going for him. Mahrez has suitors elsewhere but was only really breaking through. Do you really want us to spend £500k on a just breaking through striker in fench league 2 for the Prem? Troy Deeny or Bojan! Hmmmmm now let me think.... Yep still would want Bojan.
Mike Oxlong Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Jesus ****ing Christ, it's like listening to a group of people who haven't the foggiest what happens in football. Ulloa cost £8m+add ons. He cost that much because: 1 - NP really wanted him having identified him as a player having all the attributes required to play a different role to what we have (bearing in mind it's patently obvious that Wood has been deemed surplus to requirements having not really shone since his first ten games here). 2- Ulloa has experience within English football and NP considers the ability to step up to Prem level. 3- the Prem is awash with money and any signing costs more than they should 4 - The Championship clubs have identified that the only way to get money from the latest TV Prem deal to filter down is to charge ridiculous prices. It's actually good for English football as a whole that they do this to get money out of the Prem. Bearing in mind the new TV deals are worth soooooo much more than ever before, and therefore Prem clubs have much much increased incomes, it's natural supply and demand that prices to those clubs will increase. It's basic economics. If everybody in the country erned £20k more then every item in Asda would cost more, that's the way money works. 5- Yes, you can buy cheaper abroad but you run into potential problems - first, there are a plethora of crap to average players that are marketed as cheaper versions of English players (think the likes of the Hondurus crowd that Bruce brought to the Prem). These are often fairly limited players potential wise. Secondly you have potential stars aboad - think Wolfswinkel, Alfonso, Veron etc etc etc - with no evidence tht they can play to the style or speed of English football there are huge risks in spending big on foreign players that aren't quite at the real top level (I realise Veron was or should have been)- there re so many examples of this it's unreal that people question why we don't spend £10m on x foerign player. I mean Slimani ffs - who can say they know anything about him yet many would happily see us spend on him but not Deeney who has proven he can play in England and score plenty of goals and who has looked to have some really useful attributes for the Prem - strength, a turn of speed over a short distance, power, good shot, knows where the goal is etc. People use players they hadn't heard of as examples of potential starts - Viera, Anelka, Morata etc but they were huge youth stars who were available to only top top quality teams not the likes of us right now. You wait, Stoke have bought two foreign players with bigish names and they'll both flop (Bojan and the ex utd guy). Neither are top quality. Deeney has all their attributes and more but yes will cost more due to the way finance in English football has gone. 6- On another issue, people are saying that NP has gone a different direction because Ulloa/Deeney are not unknowns but NP/Walsh are looking for quality at a reasonable price. Knocky and Mahrez were obviously within that envelope but the idea that Ulloa and Deeeny are a departure is stupid. They are players of a type we are looking for as with Knocky/Mahrez. There are no unheard of french league 2 strikers. strikers are the most sought after players going and nobody is unaware of what is out there. Knocky wsn't under the rdar - Newcastle had wanted him for a while but decided against going for him. Mahrez has suitors elsewhere but was only really breaking through. Do you really want us to spend £500k on a just breaking through striker in fench league 2 for the Prem? Jesus ****ing Christ, it's like listening to a group of people who haven't the foggiest what happens in football. Ulloa cost £8m+add ons. He cost that much because: 1 - NP really wanted him having identified him as a player having all the attributes required to play a different role to what we have (bearing in mind it's patently obvious that Wood has been deemed surplus to requirements having not really shone since his first ten games here). 2- Ulloa has experience within English football and NP considers the ability to step up to Prem level. 3- the Prem is awash with money and any signing costs more than they should 4 - The Championship clubs have identified that the only way to get money from the latest TV Prem deal to filter down is to charge ridiculous prices. It's actually good for English football as a whole that they do this to get money out of the Prem. Bearing in mind the new TV deals are worth soooooo much more than ever before, and therefore Prem clubs have much much increased incomes, it's natural supply and demand that prices to those clubs will increase. It's basic economics. If everybody in the country erned £20k more then every item in Asda would cost more, that's the way money works. 5- Yes, you can buy cheaper abroad but you run into potential problems - first, there are a plethora of crap to average players that are marketed as cheaper versions of English players (think the likes of the Hondurus crowd that Bruce brought to the Prem). These are often fairly limited players potential wise. Secondly you have potential stars aboad - think Wolfswinkel, Alfonso, Veron etc etc etc - with no evidence tht they can play to the style or speed of English football there are huge risks in spending big on foreign players that aren't quite at the real top level (I realise Veron was or should have been)- there re so many examples of this it's unreal that people question why we don't spend £10m on x foerign player. I mean Slimani ffs - who can say they know anything about him yet many would happily see us spend on him but not Deeney who has proven he can play in England and score plenty of goals and who has looked to have some really useful attributes for the Prem - strength, a turn of speed over a short distance, power, good shot, knows where the goal is etc. People use players they hadn't heard of as examples of potential starts - Viera, Anelka, Morata etc but they were huge youth stars who were available to only top top quality teams not the likes of us right now. You wait, Stoke have bought two foreign players with bigish names and they'll both flop (Bojan and the ex utd guy). Neither are top quality. Deeney has all their attributes and more but yes will cost more due to the way finance in English football has gone. 6- On another issue, people are saying that NP has gone a different direction because Ulloa/Deeney are not unknowns but NP/Walsh are looking for quality at a reasonable price. Knocky and Mahrez were obviously within that envelope but the idea that Ulloa and Deeeny are a departure is stupid. They are players of a type we are looking for as with Knocky/Mahrez. There are no unheard of french league 2 strikers. strikers are the most sought after players going and nobody is unaware of what is out there. Knocky wsn't under the rdar - Newcastle had wanted him for a while but decided against going for him. Mahrez has suitors elsewhere but was only really breaking through. Do you really want us to spend £500k on a just breaking through striker in fench league 2 for the Prem? My attention span isn't what it used to be.
AKCJ Posted 29 July 2014 Posted 29 July 2014 Er yeah, plus the 10 million pound transfer fee we're possibly going to pay! We've paid Brighton 8m so far to buy Ulloa's contract. I imagine the remainder of his contract would have been worth another 9m. If the deal means we end up paying Brighton another 2m then the deal will have earnt/saved Brighton 11m. If I'm going to argue with the whole forum you could at least be consistent. I think you need to compare the figure Babs pulled out of his arse with the one you've pulled out of your arse, your 50-70 grand p/w away from each other. I've not 'pulled' any figure out of my arse thankyou. Google "Demba Ba" and have a read yourself. To the right of the page. Either way, there is no way Beskitas are paying him that much without being guaranteed a CL group place, regardless of what the papers say. Who cares what Besiktas are paying him? They're the buying club. And I'm the one that doesn't understand football wages. No. You really don't.
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