sylofox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 So we can go back down and absolutely fvkcing ruin the club with a ton of players on unsustainable wages who won't move on because they have it so good/easy? GREAT BANTER. You mean you don't want us to go bust or fall foul to FFP.
MHC Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 We are desperately in need of more players in certain positions? Np has even stated this. Yet we can't seem to sign anyone when it does only take other clubs 48 to 72 hrs max to get a player in. Something has to be fudamentally wrong with our dealings in these matters. Who for gods sake is too blame? Someone has to be culpable? Fanni has come and gone back, I am sick and tired of hearing about bloody Cambiasso. We need to start signing players, sooner rather than later. We must be struggling to name a 25 man squad. Our strength in depth is getting beyond a joke. Is it the wage cap? We need to realise we are Premier league you have to pay premier league money. After all if you live in Knightsbridge you do't shop in Lidl. I mostly agree but you say other clubs signing players takes 48 to 72 hours, take a look at Man United, they are constantly being left frustrated in the transfer market this season, and last season for that matter. They had also been chasing Rojo for weeks before signing him. There's more to it then just getting an offer accepted for a player and offering him a contract and he accepts. For example the player will usually have to move house which is time consuming in itself, after getting the thumbs up from the Mrs of course. Many other complications occur during transfers. You're right though, we need to act immediately in terms of inbound transfers. The problem lies within our wage structure, I imagine Fanni was asking for more then we were willing to offer him or Nigel didn't think he was good enough after training with us for a couple of days, or maybe we are trying to sign Alvarez instead to please potential Leicester player, Cambiasso.
weller54 Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Everything is just too slow. Wages this, wages that if we have a bloody wage structure at Premier League level then quite frankly that's one massive joke. How are we meant to compete with other clubs, attract good players & look forward if we are branding around a silly wage cap. Players like Fanni, Cambiasso, Campbell etc... will not come here if we don't meet their demands, and what do we expect from them, it's hardly a surprise to be honest. It's an insult to them players tbh, and shows little ambition from ourselves. All we can hope for is if we delve into the not so big leagues, or pluck out some talent like we've done in Mahrez & Knockaert. If we want high quality names like Fanni & Cambiasso give them what they want, stop pissing about, or it will drag and drag and by the end of it, you've just wasted weeks of negotiating as they end up elsewhere. If we continue to go down that road, it will actually end up in panic buying, or we won't sign anybody at all. I agree!!!
kingfox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 So we can go back down and absolutely fvkcing ruin the club with a ton of players on unsustainable wages who won't move on because they have it so good/easy? GREAT BANTER. Why the hell are we wasting our time on these players then, surely the club knows how much they realistically will ask for, the likes of Cambiasso & Fanni have played international football ffs, they aren't going to come for a rumoured 30k wage.
sylofox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Why the hell are we wasting our time on these players then, surely the club knows how much they realistically will ask for, the likes of Cambiasso & Fanni have played international football ffs, they aren't going to come for a rumoured 30k wage. BINGO You don't know what we have offered them and yes we can pay 30k a week and top it up with the signing on fee.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Rumors are always bang on, right? NP and the rest of the team will do what's best for the club and be sensible while going for the best available targets trying to keep it as far out of the public eye as possible, ergo you have absolutely no clue who we're after, who we haven't managed to sign, are trying to sign or will sign like everyone else. If you want to have the club potentially ruined for the foreseeable future that's fine, but luckily NP doesn't and neither do I.
MC Prussian Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Everything is just too slow. Wages this, wages that if we have a bloody wage structure at Premier League level then quite frankly that's one massive joke. How are we meant to compete with other clubs, attract good players & look forward if we are branding around a silly wage cap. Players like Fanni, Cambiasso, Campbell etc... will not come here if we don't meet their demands, and what do we expect from them, it's hardly a surprise to be honest. It's an insult to them players tbh, and shows little ambition from ourselves. All we can hope for is if we delve into the not so big leagues, or pluck out some talent like we've done in Mahrez & Knockaert. If we want high quality names like Fanni & Cambiasso give them what they want, stop pissing about, or it will drag and drag and by the end of it, you've just wasted weeks of negotiating as they end up elsewhere. If we continue to go down that road, it will actually end up in panic buying, or we won't sign anybody at all. No club owners, football chairman and/or manager in their right state of mind will allow any player to hold the club ransom over wage demands. Ambition doesn't mean to give in on the very first occasion. Ambition means building something longer-lasting and sustainable. Besides, we don't know why it wouldn't work out with Rod Fanni or why the talks with Cambiasso and his agent are taking this long.
kingfox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 BINGO You don't know what we have offered them and yes we can pay 30k a week and top it up with the signing on fee. If we have offered less than they want, then they will just hold out. Players & agents aren't stupid, and if getting Cambiasso means we sign some of his Argentinian mates, then quite frankly that's a pathetic way to go about it. The possible thought of turning down players, just to bring in Cambiasso's mates just to keep him happy is beyond ludicrous. Cambiasso will hold out for his demands, probably the reason why it's taken so god damn long, and if we keep pissing about like we've done in the past with other players, he won't come & will join elsewhere.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 But he hasn't joined elsewhere, and we're obviously still in talks so can't be too far apart. If it happens it happens, if it doesn't it doesn't.
MHC Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Everything is just too slow. Wages this, wages that if we have a bloody wage structure at Premier League level then quite frankly that's one massive joke. How are we meant to compete with other clubs, attract good players & look forward if we are branding around a silly wage cap. Players like Fanni, Cambiasso, Campbell etc... will not come here if we don't meet their demands, and what do we expect from them, it's hardly a surprise to be honest. It's an insult to them players tbh, and shows little ambition from ourselves. All we can hope for is if we delve into the not so big leagues, or pluck out some talent like we've done in Mahrez & Knockaert. If we want high quality names like Fanni & Cambiasso give them what they want, stop pissing about, or it will drag and drag and by the end of it, you've just wasted weeks of negotiating as they end up elsewhere. If we continue to go down that road, it will actually end up in panic buying, or we won't sign anybody at all. Pretty much agree. The Cambiasso deal seems like a bit of a joke to me, it appears he is reluctant to join us for some reason and I bet it's down to money, I really do. It won't be the end of the world if we don't add any more players though, Pearson said he is happy with what he has got if needs be and for that, so am I.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Rumors are always bang on, right? NP and the rest of the team will do what's best for the club and be sensible while going for the best available targets trying to keep it as far out of the public eye as possible, ergo you have absolutely no clue who we're after, who we haven't managed to sign, are trying to sign or will sign like everyone else. If you want to have the club potentially ruined for the foreseeable future that's fine, but luckily NP doesn't and neither do I. Spot on. One of the reasons I raised my eyebrows at the potential signing of Cambiasso was the reported wages he was asking for. If we are going to continue to do things 'properly' (have a wage cap, not placing the club in financial risk if we get relegated etc etc) then we should do exactly that. IMO there is no point having a wage structure (or an alleged one?) if we don't stick to it. It would make a mockery out of it. You can't have both.. you can't impose a structure on a club and then be held to ransom by any one single player. I'm not saying this is the case with Cambiasso, but making a general point.
MC Prussian Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 If we have offered less than they want, then they will just hold out. Players & agents aren't stupid, and if getting Cambiasso means we sign some of his Argentinian mates, then quite frankly that's a pathetic way to go about it. The possible thought of turning down players, just to bring in Cambiasso's mates just to keep him happy is beyond ludicrous. Cambiasso will hold out for his demands, probably the reason why it's taken so god damn long, and if we keep pissing about like we've done in the past with other players, he won't come & will join elsewhere. Smart clubs have multiple transfer targets and I expect nothing less with LCFC. If the Cambiasso deal doesn't go through, the search continues. If Cambiasso signs and we get another decent Argentinian with him, why so quick to call this a bad move? It can go either way. And we can always use some backup in the left-back and right-back position, anyway. It's like you continue to somewhat throwing your toys out of the pram just because the club isn't signing the players you want it to.
sylofox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 If we have offered less than they want, then they will just hold out. Players & agents aren't stupid, and if getting Cambiasso means we sign some of his Argentinian mates, then quite frankly that's a pathetic way to go about it. The possible thought of turning down players, just to bring in Cambiasso's mates just to keep him happy is beyond ludicrous. Cambiasso will hold out for his demands, probably the reason why it's taken so god damn long, and if we keep pissing about like we've done in the past with other players, he won't come & will join elsewhere. A. Do you believe everything thats in the fvcking paper or on the net or typed in here. B. Who says we are not talking to anyone else?
lgfualol Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Will be a giggle to see Bakayogo in our 25 man squad. Might need Gallagher back as well.
kingfox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Smart clubs have multiple transfer targets and I expect nothing less with LCFC. If the Cambiasso deal doesn't go through, the search continues. If Cambiasso signs and we get another decent Argentinian with him, why so quick to call this a bad move? It can go either way. And we can always use some backup in the left-back and right-back position, anyway. It's like you continue to somewhat throwing your toys out of the pram just because the club isn't signing the players you want it to. I don't like the way we are going about things, and the time it's taking for things to properly materialise. We have chased & chased players before, wasting our time on one particular player, for it to end in tears, Maynard saga top of that. Cambiasso is going down that similar road, it took us about four bids before we eventually signed Ulloa. Signing a fellow Argentinian who we probably didn't even look to scout, only a supposed recommendation from Cambiasso himself, if resulting to getting players in just to make Cambiasso happy is correct then that way of going about business is a bloody joke. The way we are going about this deal is a bad move. A. Do you believe everything thats in the fvcking paper or on the net or typed in here. B. Who says we are not talking to anyone else? We have heard very little, and it's all speculation that's what we can only talk about, and that's what a forum is for to discuss speculation.
Bert Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 When did Nigel state 'We are desperately in need of more players in certain positions'? I must have missed that.Said we need reinforcements. So unless you want to keep being pedantic about every little thing, I'm sure you get the picture.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Is the Cambiasso thing going on and on and on? Probably looking at the Cambiasso thread every few minutes makes you think that, hardly anything has been reported about what's happened, and what's been said in the papers and the 'ITK's' is all either definitely or likely complete bollocks.
sylofox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 I don't like the way we are going about things, and the time it's taking for things to properly materialise. We have chased & chased players before, wasting our time on one particular player, for it to end in tears, Maynard saga top of that. Cambiasso is going down that similar road, it took us about four bids before we eventually signed Ulloa. Signing a fellow Argentinian who we probably didn't even look to scout, only a supposed recommendation from Cambiasso himself, if resulting to getting players in just to make Cambiasso happy is correct then that way of going about business is a bloody joke. The way we are going about this deal is a bad move. We have heard very little, and it's all speculation that's what we can only talk about, and that's what a forum is for to discuss speculation. So you don't like the way we are doing business. You don't know what we are doing and I would suspect you have very little idea of what signing a player is about. Also it's not your money and successful people in business are spending there money not yours. As for speculation that is all it is until something official is released so chill out and relax.
weller54 Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Surely when you FIRST enquire /open negotiations for a player the opening gambit is about money??.. The Fanni 'deal ' and clearly the cambiasso fiasco is dead in the water at the first hurdle!!.. It's like going into a Ferrari Dealership with a Ford Focus maximum budget!.... What are we ballsing about at??... If you want to drive a Ferrari then you can't penny pinch!!!
kingfox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 So you don't like the way we are doing business. You don't know what we are doing and I would suspect you have very little idea of what signing a player is about. Also it's not your money and successful people in business are spending there money not yours. As for speculation that is all it is until something official is released so chill out and relax. Well if this Cambiasso thing goes on for much longer, and we end up not getting him, it will then lead to panic buying. We have our targets, but we always seem to concentrate on a particular player, and drag things out until we either get them or we don't. It's wasting time, when you could be moving on and looking at other targets. Getting a fellow Argentinian in, just to make Cambiasso sign, seems like a final straw move to me(If as we've said, is actually true of course)
Harry - LCFC Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 Getting a fellow Argentinian in, just to make Cambiasso sign, seems like a final straw move to me(If as we've said, is actually true of course) This sounds like the sort of thing Pearson would never do. He always seems someone who likes to carefully consider the value a player will be to the team and this goes completely against that. I'm sure he'd say 'no' every time rather than offer titbits to others, begging them to sign. It's completely unprofessional too and he'd know it
Happy Fox Posted 19 August 2014 Posted 19 August 2014 This season is all about survival on the cheap, if we manage to do it which I expect we will, then next summer we will invest big time to make up a Top 8 prem club imo, but one step at a time of course. My worry atm, is our options we have looking quite threadbare so to speak, we all know NP is trying to bring in players but it isn't easy process not with our wage cap, I would think bringing in a couple of young talented players from the Top 4 in the prem would be a good solution for us. The likes of Suso, Gnabry won't get a chance with their respective clubs but will with us.
Stadt Posted 20 August 2014 Posted 20 August 2014 Can people please stop quoting kingfox? I have him on ignore for a reason.
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 20 August 2014 Posted 20 August 2014 Well if this Cambiasso thing goes on for much longer, and we end up not getting him, it will then lead to panic buying. We have our targets, but we always seem to concentrate on a particular player, and drag things out until we either get them or we don't. It's wasting time, when you could be moving on and looking at other targets. Getting a fellow Argentinian in, just to make Cambiasso sign, seems like a final straw move to me(If as we've said, is actually true of course) Didn't realise we couldn't look at multiple targets at the same time. Must be a new rule.
jayfox26 Posted 20 August 2014 Posted 20 August 2014 Agents don't work weekends or bank holidays so even less time left. Game over I'd be amazed if agents don't work weekends and bank holidays during the transfer window!
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