Transfer policy what's the problem?

[dorsetboy]

i dont think it is just the negotiator, i remember an article from some months back that pearson said he likes to try and give a basic contract and pile it up with bonuses based on performance and hard work therefore you get what you put in. 

 

just maybe some of these players have thought **** that im going to have to work for my money 

[Robin JD Popley]

IF they sign, we have potentially yet to come in before deadline day:

 

CAMBIASSO,

ALVAREZ (or another)

SLIMANI/DEENEY (or another)

 

which takes our incoming transfers this summer to seven.

 

There also may be deals going on we are yet to hear about. Nigel realises he has got to get people in as do the other people responsible for recruitment as I said last night, so, let's have some faith. If we are sat here in February after the January window closes with the sum lot of what we have today, then and only then, can we really criticise anyone if it isn't going well.

[fox123]

Roll on September 2nd.

[Steven]

Roll on September 2nd.

Amen.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Knew i would get the normal mongroid responses from blue tinted specs brigade?

However, we have had the best part of the summer to sign or at least assemble a squad competitive enougth to compete in the premiership.

Tomorrow is the 20th of the month. There are only eleven yes eleven days left of this transfer window.

We then can't sign anyone until January by then if we are in the bottom three it will be bloody hard to avoid relegation.

If we can't attract players now, with our policy what hope will we have in January?

I want us to stay in the premier league this is the place to be. Unless something changes it's going to be a short stay.

 

I don't think we've done that badly to be honest. 

 

The transfer market is and always has been a game of chess almost, but has become even more so with these transfer windows. When bidding for players under contract, teams hold onto their piece until they are sure of capturing the piece they're looking at and so you quite often need a chain of reactions to happen in your favour. 

 

Decent out of contract players on the other hand can have a strong position, knowing that they are free to talk to who they wish - and when you're dealing with a player who's been at the top level and is looking for a final pay day that can set him up for life can you blame that person for taking time to consider his options? I expect the early press release maybe gave the particular player in question additional options that he felt he needed to weigh up alongside our offer - if he then comes back to our offer, thats a good sign for the club.

 

Equally, I think the fact we're taking time to identify targets and then pursue them in the manor we are is a good thing - it suggests we're doing reasonable due diligence and have a position were we say "this is as much as we're willing to pay" which avoids us getting fleeced. £8 million for Ujjoa might start to look very reasonable when we begin to compare similar transfers in this window - where prices have certainly accelerated. 

 

This approach has clearly paid dividends so far - after all we racked up 102 points with our squad last year and I don't think our squad looks that out of place against the 13 teams we'll be fighting against to avoid relegation. 

 

If you remember the not to distant previous regime under Sven, we did get deals over the line quite quickly - and ended up with a load of dross on high wages that took ages to get rid off. I don't want us to go back to those days. 

 

The other thing you need to add in - we're not the only club in this position. A club as big as Manchester United have found life in the transfer market hard of late, Arsenal were pretty shocking before this season too. We also don't know what the situation is like at other clubs, because firm details are hardly ever released, but given we don't have massive pulling power at the moment, you have to expect we will need to do a lot of ground work to get signings in which will take time. 

 

Don't stress, have faith - a lot of the players we have can prove that they are good enough for the Premier League and we will be wondering what this fuss was all about. 

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

I agree! You seem to be getting some serious grief for raising a very reasonable question. All of transfers this summer appear to be rumbling on for whatever reason, be it a frugal approach, be it a measured approach, be it poor negotiation and yes I appreciate that transfers take time but even the most loyal fan surely will see we have been linked with a number of players and whilst some may well be media hype, we have been able to secure very few. NP has even alluded to the fact we have missed out on signings.

I feel concerned, but we have 11 days left. If the situation remains as it is, then I will be severely worried.

 

We will just have to wait and see.

[Guest Col city fan]

I feel concerned, but we have 11 days left. If the situation remains as it is, then I will be severely worried.

 

We will just have to wait and see.

I tend to agree. Not being able to secure targets for many reasons is one thing. And I get that. But the fact remains it still leaves us very short. What do the club do? Stick or twist? We'll have to wait and see. How things stand at this moment though..yes I'm worried too.

[JJS84]

I tend to agree. Not being able to secure targets for many reasons is one thing. And I get that. But the fact remains it still leaves us very short. What do the club do? Stick or twist? We'll have to wait and see. How things stand at this moment though..yes I'm worried too.

 

Yeah i just get the feeling that this transfer deadline day wont see Nigel turning his phone off and going for a hike.

[ARM1968]

Overly cautious and lack of money offered. Nevermind 180 million. Looks less than 18 all in. Poor considering the income from Sky etc.

[yorkie1999]

Overly cautious and lack of money offered. Nevermind 180 million. Looks less than 18 all in. Poor considering the income from Sky etc.

I didn't think you got any money from sky until the end of the season.

[EGBFitness]

There's nothing wrong with weighing up options. Were in the prem now so we are going to get linked with more players and have more speculation than when in championship.

Are we even interested in some of the players that have been rumoured in the papers?

It's good to get the core of your team done early in pre season but can guarantee nige is looking around, looking at the squad, fixtures and academy.

In Nige I trust and I'm sure when the club want a player they will put 100% in to make sure that player signs. It's not like the MON days when we had poor training ground and could only show them half the ground to impress them. We have a premiership set up here

[Captain...]

Overly cautious and lack of money offered. Nevermind 180 million. Looks less than 18 all in. Poor considering the income from Sky etc.

 

Money is not the problem, we are, so to speak, we are not an attractive proposition to any player wanting to play in the prem. We can thrown money at a club and agree a deal, but if the player doesn't want to come we can't force him, especially if other clubs are sniffing around.

 

Take Deeney we are certainly not the only prem club interested, every prem club has the funds to match Watford's valuation, Deeney is not going to job at the first club that comes along, especially when they are heavily tipped for relegation.

 

Even if we offer more in wages than someone like West Brom or West Ham, they will still prefer to go to a more established side.

 

We have the money and we will spend it to get the targets we want, £8 million for Ulloa is an example of that, massively overpriced but identified by Nigel as a key signing. We are just going to have to accept that we are small fry feeding off scraps at the moment, and as the transfer window closes, we will find that our targets suddenly become less fussy.

[Captain...]

I didn't think you got any money from sky until the end of the season.

 

We don't have a cash flow problem, our owners have that sort of money to spend and recoup at the end of the season, if that is the case, and even if they didn't a guaranteed income of £63 million means we could easily borrow the money and pay it back no problem.

[Happy Fox]

Money is not the problem, we are, so to speak, we are not an attractive proposition to any player wanting to play in the prem. We can thrown money at a club and agree a deal, but if the player doesn't want to come we can't force him, especially if other clubs are sniffing around.

 

Take Deeney we are certainly not the only prem club interested, every prem club has the funds to match Watford's valuation, Deeney is not going to job at the first club that comes along, especially when they are heavily tipped for relegation.

 

Even if we offer more in wages than someone like West Brom or West Ham, they will still prefer to go to a more established side.

 

We have the money and we will spend it to get the targets we want, £8 million for Ulloa is an example of that, massively overpriced but identified by Nigel as a key signing. We are just going to have to accept that we are small fry feeding off scraps at the moment, and as the transfer window closes, we will find that our targets suddenly become less fussy.

 

We certainly should be more attractive than the likes of West Brom, Stoke, Burnley and even Hull, the wage cap is the f**king problem imo.

[Guest Col city fan]

Money is not the problem, we are, so to speak, we are not an attractive proposition to any player wanting to play in the prem. We can thrown money at a club and agree a deal, but if the player doesn't want to come we can't force him, especially if other clubs are sniffing around.

Take Deeney we are certainly not the only prem club interested, every prem club has the funds to match Watford's valuation, Deeney is not going to job at the first club that comes along, especially when they are heavily tipped for relegation.

Even if we offer more in wages than someone like West Brom or West Ham, they will still prefer to go to a more established side.

We have the money and we will spend it to get the targets we want, £8 million for Ulloa is an example of that, massively overpriced but identified by Nigel as a key signing. We are just going to have to accept that we are small fry feeding off scraps at the moment, and as the transfer window closes, we will find that our targets suddenly become less fussy.

Nail on head. Having money doesn't automatically mean players will want to join us. Like Hull, I think we'll have to somehow remain in the division, and then next season could be different. The only way players would be keen on us now, is if they are making an upward step.. Like Cresswell to West Ham or if we paid an established player silly money..which we don't want to do. IMO, like MON did, Pearson should be looking at lower league jewels, with a point to make, who won't command astronomical wages and who will only get better. Again, this is why I wouldn't have been looking, particularly, at a player like Cambiasso. People suggested that Assombalonga was overpriced. But Forest, though I hate to say it, have probably bought wisely in this instance.

[Wilson_6]

Fanni thread is now locked but this is too funny to miss http://www.fourfourtwo.com/features/emails-about-rod-fanni-keep-going-leicesters-junk-folder? 

[foxfanazer]

Nail on head. Having money doesn't automatically mean players will want to join us. Like Hull, I think we'll have to somehow remain in the division, and then next season could be different. The only way players would be keen on us now, is if they are making an upward step.. Like Cresswell to West Ham or if we paid an established player silly money..which we don't want to do. IMO, like MON did, Pearson should be looking at lower league jewels, with a point to make, who won't command astronomical wages and who will only get better. Again, this is why I wouldn't have been looking, particularly, at a player like Cambiasso. People suggested that Assombalonga was overpriced. But Forest, though I hate to say it, have probably bought wisely in this instance.

We're in a really tough position with transfers. Even the sort of player you have mentioned would be a big risk as their transfer fees would be massively inflated due to us being in the prem and having a bit of money.

Not worried about the quality of the side just think we're really short on numbers

[JJS84]

We certainly should be more attractive than the likes of West Brom, Stoke, Burnley and even Hull, the wage cap is the f**king problem imo.

 

I don't think we are more attractive than stoke, west brom and hull, one of them is in a European comp this season and the other two have established them selves in the prem over the last few years.

 

we have no premiership pedigree at the moment, and need to work hard to prove to potential signings that we have got what it takes. they can reflect on their 2,3,4 seasons in the prem and say we know what it takes as we've done it. we cant.

 

as for this supposed wage cap, if true that's just good sense from us in case the worst does happen come the end of the season. unless you want us to go down the QPR huge wage bill route with no guarantee of staying up.

[jamesmilner]

Fook off do signings take 48 hours to sort out.

I think , well , I know , that at the very end of the transfer window , they're sorted in a matter of minutes . ask Jermaine beckford .

[EnglishOxide]

After all he has done for us, why are people still questioning Pearson and his methods?

You're all ****ing mental.

[Ric Flair]

Roll on September 2nd.

 

You say that, but then you'll be praying for the window to open again as you'll have 4-5 months of fans moaning constantly that we didn't sign enough players in the sumemr and our season is ruined.

[5waller5]

Money is not the problem, we are, so to speak, we are not an attractive proposition to any player wanting to play in the prem. We can thrown money at a club and agree a deal, but if the player doesn't want to come we can't force him, especially if other clubs are sniffing around.

 

Take Deeney we are certainly not the only prem club interested, every prem club has the funds to match Watford's valuation, Deeney is not going to job at the first club that comes along, especially when they are heavily tipped for relegation.

 

Even if we offer more in wages than someone like West Brom or West Ham, they will still prefer to go to a more established side.

 

We have the money and we will spend it to get the targets we want, £8 million for Ulloa is an example of that, massively overpriced but identified by Nigel as a key signing. We are just going to have to accept that we are small fry feeding off scraps at the moment, and as the transfer window closes, we will find that our targets suddenly become less fussy.

 

in this example money is the problem .... we haven't offered enough to Watford to buy him ... It's nothing to do with wages as it hasn't got to that stage.

[Babylon]

Overly cautious and lack of money offered. Nevermind 180 million. Looks less than 18 all in. Poor considering the income from Sky etc.

All the money we've received / would receive in parachute payments should we go down, will probably cover the wages of all the players until the end of their 4 year contracts. Meaning we'd be under no pressure to sell any players and would be able to keep the majority of our squad together if we wished to.

 

If we managed to stay up I'd expect a somewhat increased level of investment on fees than this year. As we'd have another years money and be a year down the line of most of the contracts.

[suffolk fox]

You say that, but then you'll be praying for the window to open again as you'll have 4-5 months of fans moaning constantly that we didn't sign enough players in the sumemr and our season is ruined.[/quote

You sir. Are spot bloody on. I am so looking forward to sept 1st when we have signed the square root of naff all and we then cant sign anyone until january we are languishing in the bottom three and the normal blue tinted spec morons moan we could have signed more? I personally just dont get it. It has taken us ten years to getback to the big time. I want us to stay in this league. You do have to spend at this level even Hull realise that. If the vast majority on this board are happy with one season in the prem and us being a yo yo club then good for them. I however am not one of them and want us to stay in this league. At this moment in time our squad is not good enough.

[Babylon]

You do have to spend at this level even Hull realise that.

How much did they spend in last years summer transfer window?

 

Their two biggest signings came in January and again this summer.