Leicester City v Manchester United post match thread 5 - 3

[Humpy]

Well there is, because he didn't.

 

I'm surprised you don't seem to understand what a dive is considering your players have done it so long.

 

Standing there and waiting for a thick defender to push you over isn't diving.

Do you think it was a foul leading up to the penalty?

[fuchsntf]

Yes, we are most certainly on the road to recovery after a disastrous season under Moyes in which we played the most mind numbingly boring football I have ever witnessed at Old Trafford. It’s a major rebuild happening at United, we shipped out 14 players and brought in 6, we have only started in what will be a long and frustrating journey, but you can see the improvements a mile of. Ok, maybe not as an outsider, but as a season ticket holder who has only missed a handful of games over the years, home and away you get the sense that something special is happening.

What do you mean we have no identity? van Gaal has only be in charge for 5 games, he had 12 injuries to contend with and has the massive job in transforming Uniteds fortunes, that can’t be done overnight.

Further, I think you are being overly harsh on Rafael, he was our best defender on Sunday, and has been fantastic for us of late. On Sunday not only was it a clear foul before the penalty but to say the penalty was dubious would be an understatement, I don’t think he lost his head at all, I do however believe that his reputation went before him and Clattenburg couldn’t wait to blow the whistle.

Moyes inherited a team falling apart, simply because of biggest most natural retirements in their history.No experienced, injury free players to fallback on.There was no style or tactics to create, only a slow rebuilding process, meaning have to wait to see if the younger players could cut it, not forgetting it had happened before, unfortunately, this generation just werent good enough.

IMO he should have had this summers closed season.Ferguson left him not a poisened chalice, but an empty dish lacking any dressing.He didnt have the power to fight to keep Evra, or Ferdinand.No leader, still boys descision wise.

Becks, Giggs, Scholes, Butt, were just different...

[Master Fox]

Ronaldo used throw himself to the floor like a sack of shit all the time and still does. He's considered a great player now.

I think the dubious penalty is giving United an excuse for being totally destroyed in the second half. They got absolutey ran ragged, the goals were coming and they were lucky it was only 5.

United just aren't used to being on the other foot. Times are changing bros, you've witnessed the new beginning on Sunday.

[Kitchandro]

Do you think it was a foul leading up to the penalty?

 

Possibly yes. Most of the time they would be given.

 

 

If you honestly believe he didn't dive then there is no way you can say any other player has dived ever. I appreciate all fans tend to see things differently when it benefits their team.

You say I'm surprised I don't understand what a dive is yet refuse to believe that your own player dived? Think about it for a second.

 

Who do you think you are?

 

Seriously, you're trying to compare the penalty on Sunday to actual dives? You watched Cristiano Ronaldo week in, week out. That man is a diver. As in, he throws himself to the ground on purpose from minimal to zero contact. Sometimes blatantly obviously.

 

That is absolutely nothing like what happened on Sunday. You're just looking like a typical Man Utd cry baby. It's dangerous having people like Rooney, Fergie and Ronaldo as your heroes - you'll just start sounding like them.

 

I always find it funny when away fans come on this forum and make out like they're so reasonable and being nice to us, yet are actually desperate to have some sort of a dig or complain they are hard done to.

 

This defeat really has brought you lot to your knees hasn't it

[Kitchandro]

Ronaldo used throw himself to the floor like a sack of shit all the time and still does. He's considered a great player now.

I think the dubious penalty is giving United an excuse for being totally destroyed in the second half. They got absolutey ran ragged, the goals were coming and they were lucky it was only 5.

United just aren't used to being on the other foot. Times are changing bros, you've witnessed the new beginning on Sunday.

 

Too right.

 

The penalty decision is getting way too much attention, we were well on top after their 3rd goal and it's clear their defence were just not good enough too handle us at our best.

 

If Vardy wasn't fouled he'd probably have squared it for a tap in anyway. We were always going to score the way we started playing at that point. The last half an hour should point out that it was only a matter of time.

[Vlad the Fox]

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/columnists/alansmith/11112350/My-record-has-gone-and-I-could-not-be-more-pleased-for-my-old-club-Leicester-City-after-beating-Manchester-United.html

I was at that game. 3-0 up after twenty minutes and if I remember correctly man u were about ten points clear at the top after a storming start to the season. All week at school I had the pretend man u fans telling me how many they were going to stuff us by. Monday morning was great hunting down and ridiculing them has they tried to hide. I think that result sent them on the losing run which saw the 10 point lead disapear and Atkinson get the sack.

[Humpy]

Possibly yes. Most of the time they would be given.

 

 

 

Who do you think you are?

 

Seriously, you're trying to compare the penalty on Sunday to actual dives? You watched Cristiano Ronaldo week in, week out. That man is a diver. As in, he throws himself to the ground on purpose from minimal to zero contact. Sometimes blatantly obviously.

 

That is absolutely nothing like what happened on Sunday. You're just looking like a typical Man Utd cry baby. It's dangerous having people like Rooney, Fergie and Ronaldo as your heroes - you'll just start sounding like them.

 

I always find it funny when away fans come on this forum and make out like they're so reasonable and being nice to us, yet are actually desperate to have some sort of a dig or complain they are hard done to.

 

This defeat really has brought you lot to your knees hasn't it

I’m really struggling to understand how you didn’t think it was a dive, it was as clear a dive as you are likely to see, your acting like this is the first time he’s ever been accused of diving, we both know it isn’t.  Yes Ronaldo has a reputation as being a diver, so does Young and Januzaj, I can admit that because I don’t wear blinkers, I also have eyes and can see that Vardy dived he played the ref and the ref fell for it.

I’m a typical ‘Man United cry baby’? Fine that’s your right to believe. In truth though, you are the one that’s sounding immature, acting like my hero’s, come on what are you 12?

I’m on here to have a discussion about the match, to give my views on how I saw the game, I could argue that your first goal was out of bounds before the cross came in, I could argue the De Laet should have been sent off, I could argue many things but I won’t because Leicester played the game within the rules of the game according to the referee. That’s why I’m not blaming Vardy for diving either, it’s up to the ref to spot it.

As for having a dig, I’ve said several times that Leicester deserved the victory, I also believe that penalty changed the game but I don’t think it was the reason we lost, we lost because we crumbled, it happens in football sometimes. As for being on my knees, if I was on my knees why would I come on a Leicester fans forum to discuss the game?

[CosbehFox]

That five minute spell at 3-3 with Man U panicking was like last season once we went 1 up against the lower sides. They just knew what was coming.

[Humpy]

That five minute spell at 3-3 with Man U panicking was like last season once we went 1 up against the lower sides. They just knew what was coming.

Indeed, it was as clear as day.

[Corky]

Indeed, we've had our fair share go for and against us,every team has. It's something we have to accept, it's the disease of the game unfortunately and no one who can change the game seems to care.

Unlike some I don't blame the players I blame the system, if a player doesn't go down these days he doesn't get anything, if he doesn't make it look theatrical he doesn't get anything it's up to the referees and the FA to stop it, not the players.

 

As happened once last season when his shirt was tugged, he stayed on his feet and the chance to score was gone and no penalty.

 

Vardy has a reputation for winning penalties, Sunday's was the first where there was real doubt. Don't listen to a lot of opposition supporters about last season's penalties that Vardy was fouled for, all were genuine takings out.

 

I don't think Vardy is a diver, Knockaert has been known to go down very easily, as has Mahrez.

[gibbin82]

Do you think it was a foul leading up to the penalty?

Humpy it was right in front of me and at the time I didn't think it was a foul and definitely that it was a penalty, but watching it back at home on replay my revised opinion is that the first incident although it was a honest challenge it was on the slightly stronger side of being fair and if it had been given as a foul nobody could have argued. With the penalty there was definitely contact and when that happens with a player moving at speed there is always a chance they will lose their balance and fall, which IMO is what happened here, but while it wasn't really a reckless challenge it also wasn't a dive, and if it hadn't been given again there couldn't have been much to complain about, but then the TV would have been looking at the replay and saying it should have been a pen and that Vardy had his foot clipped (watch it again if you can bear it). But I on the day the referee let the first go and gave a penalty for the second, which was arguably and possibly wrong, but that was the referees judgement so it stands, but that happens in football and good teams teams just deal with it and rally if they have time. And anyway Leicesters second goal was not as decisive as a lot are saying, the fact is Manchester were still winning and still should have closed the game down and possibly scored more, but they didn't. So rather than vilifying Vardy who is a decent honest footballer, they really ought to be looking at why Man U capitulate so easily, and in my opinion is that there was no leadership on the pitch, with Wayne Rooney actually producing a growing feeling of despondency and defeat amongst his team mates. And when the equaliser came from Rooney passing the ball to a Leicester player right in fromt of goal he was hardly in a position to shout, scream and swear at the other United players. In fact Rooney was a disgrace and as it is I can't see Man U getting a team spirit like Leicester have so obviously got while he is captain. You also ought to be worried that that fear factor Manchester have always benefitted from after taking the lead has now gone, and unlike the approach of QPR the week before showing fear from the off, teams will now come at you and unless when you go behind or concede a goal you believe shouldn't have stood, you stop that total breakdown in the feeling of being all in it together, you will be the ones who will now be in fear.

[Kitchandro]

it was as clear a dive as you are likely to see

 

You're an idiot if you think that. Really, how much football have you watched in your life?

 

 

 

I could argue that your first goal was out of bounds before the cross came in,

 

No you couldn't. You could try, but you would not succeed.

 

 

I could argue the De Laet should have been sent off,

 

Let me guess, you could also argue that Vardy fouled Blackett for the 5th, right?

 

Any other make believe offences you want bring up?

 

 

I could argue many things but I won’t

 

Actually you are, and it's a bit embarrassing.

 

Please, have a lie down and get some therapy. Vardy tearing you to shreds has obviously scarred you and your fellow fans for life.

[Lineker's Left Foot]

Too right.

The penalty decision is getting way too much attention, we were well on top after their 3rd goal and it's clear their defence were just not good enough too handle us at our best.

If Vardy wasn't fouled he'd probably have squared it for a tap in anyway. We were always going to score the way we started playing at that point. The last half an hour should point out that it was only a matter of time.

Rrrrrrrr didums and bless em, they didn't even have to contend with Riyad Mahrez coming at them either. Think Nigel didn't want to humiliate them any further

[Lineker's Left Foot]

Vardy??? LVG the **** will probably bid £100m for him.. But they can do one as he's priceless

[BoyJones]

Check out the Real Madrid game on now, Real have been given two really soft pens, both players went down very easily. Very slight contact both occasions.

Having started playing in the 60's I don't see anything wrong with Vardy's strong arming / shoulder charging Rafael, particularly as defenders are still allowed do the same at corners. I am just fed up with weak players moaning when they have been gutless and half hearted in the challenge. Basically Rafael bottled it, he was already going down from the challenge and then acted naively.

Vardy is getting unfair stick, he did go down easily, but was given the opportunity by pathetic defending.

[ARTY_FOX]

Check out the Real Madrid game on now, Real have been given two really soft pens, both players went down very easily. Very slight contact both occasions.

Having started playing in the 60's I don't see anything wrong with Vardy's strong arming / shoulder charging Rafael, particularly as defenders are still allowed do the same at corners. I am just fed up with weak players moaning when they have been gutless and half hearted in the challenge. Basically Rafael bottled it, he was already going down from the challenge and then acted naively.

Vardy is getting unfair stick, he did go down easily, but was given the opportunity by pathetic defending.

Just saw the penalties and the bloke said that they were definitely penalties. If they're definite penalties then there is no discussion about vardy. It must of been stonewall.

[Guest bss9401]

You're an idiot if you think that. Really, how much football have you watched in your life?

 

You know that they most likely believe their own bullsh1t!! No matter. They will all be MCFC or Chelsea fans by the end of the month.

 

 

No you couldn't. You could try, but you would not succeed.

 

 

 

Let me guess, you could also argue that Vardy fouled Blackett for the 5th, right?

 

Any other make believe offences you want bring up?

 

 

 

Actually you are, and it's a bit embarrassing.

 

Please, have a lie down and get some therapy. Vardy tearing you to shreds has obviously scarred you and your fellow fans for life.

[adam1]

My pennies worth on the penalty incident.

 

1) The initial incident was a 50/50 ball. No player was in control and in this situation a more physical challenge is acceptable. Especially shoulder to shoulder.

 

2) Yes Vardy's arm  was raised like he was pushing Rafael. But the initial contact was shoulder, his arm became involved after that intial impact. Vardy had already hit Rafael with sufficently enough to knock him over. And this 'hit' was a shoulder to shoulder, it is legitimate no matter how hard you hit them.

 

3) In Clattenburgs defence if you thought it was a foul, Clattenburg was behind and to the right. His view of the arm was blocked. He would have seen Vardy's arm go up after the impact and would have probably thought that Vardy was balancing himself. This is what you do when you change direction if you are running. Clattenburg may have viewed the arm being raised for this purpose. You might want to criticise me for saying this, but think about it. We don't run with our arms down by our sides do we? Furthermore there was no assistant on that side of the pitch.

 

4) The second incident was not a 50/50 ball. Vardy was in control of the ball. Therefore any defensive challenge cannot impede the player in possession unless the challenge wins the ball.

 

5) Obviously a shoulder to shoulder challenge is acceptable - but arguably not to the same level as intensity as a 50/50 ball.

 

6) The challenge, wasn't as strong as the initial incident BUT it wasn't shoulder to shoulder and was an arm/hand going onto the back. Any interference with the player in control of the ball is a foul. Clattenburg was right on top of it so must have seen something.

[whitlock]

We've had 10 years of lower league officiating, which at times has been a complete joke.

We was fortunate to get the first penalty. You then went on to concede 3 more 'fair' goals. Your team is in turmoil and you will (in my opinion) never be 'that' United team or club again.

Give us some credit and worry about your team not us or Vardy.

[Guest ttfn]

Not to mention Nugent was fouled in the build up to the second United goal.

Amazing what you find when you go looking for stuff as the United fanbase appears to have done.

As said previously I thought it was a foul by Vardy on Rafael but some of the whining that's come from United fans - and I'd include some good friends in that - has been ridiculous.

[Humpy]

And You's call united fans blinkered,

[Jordan]

Simulation is simulation, and it doesn't matter whether or not a player was touched.

But Man United fans still need to pipe down because questionable calls and non-calls by officials happen ALL THE TIME. Until I saw a slow-motion, zoomed-in replay, I couldn't tell that Vardy went down a little too easily there. I could never tell that watching it live, neither could Clattenberg, neither could Jon Champion doing commentary, and certainly neither could the Man United fans near the opposite goal line.

Until we have robot referees or a new system that would have refs in better positions to look at those sorts of challenges, United fans that are blaming Clattenberg for anything and criticizing his penalty call on Rafael are placing utterly impossible standards on referees.

I wish olayers didn't feel the need to simulate fouls, but Vardy really did sell it well, and while I don't think it was a penalty, I cannot blame Clattenberg for calling it because I honestly think most top refs would have bought it, too.

[Guest bss9401]

I was at that game. 3-0 up after twenty minutes and if I remember correctly man u were about ten points clear at the top after a storming start to the season. All week at school I had the pretend man u fans telling me how many they were going to stuff us by. Monday morning was great hunting down and ridiculing them has they tried to hide. I think that result sent them on the losing run which saw the 10 point lead disapear and Atkinson get the sack.

I went to that game. RIP Laurie Cunningham, who ran manure's defence ragged and Alan Smith scored the 20yard header. Not unlike Jamie Vardy and Ulloa really! I feel very privileged to have attended both games. Nice to see people draw parallels between the two even though they were very different games in different eras.

[johnny the fox]

Not to mention Nugent was fouled in the build up to the second United goal.

Amazing what you find when you go looking for stuff as the United fanbase appears to have done.

As said previously I thought it was a foul by Vardy on Rafael but some of the whining that's come from United fans - and I'd include some good friends in that - has been ridiculous.

definate foul on nugent for di maria's goal..he was arguing with the ref about it on the halfway line,...but it don't fit in the united's persecution complex..

[Guest bss9401]

A mark of a football fan is having substance behind why you support a team. Another is being capable of honesty and humility. There are many such supporters in and around Manchester, ie; Bury, Oldham, Rochdale or MCFC.