Jon Moss

[johnny the fox]

Did the commentators say anything?

no.. as if it never happened..

[Sharpe's Foxes]

[Sharpe's Foxes]

[jayfox26]

If only Moss had made the same call of play on last Sunday...

On a side note, I really dislike the Arsenal squad. They complain vigourously at EVERY little decision. Giroud and Sanchez especially are particularly guilty of this. I swear Sanchez waves an imaginary card every time he feels fouled.

I thought exactly the same after we played them. Giroud and Sanchez are a disgrace!

[mozartfox]

He must not have booked him because he wasn't 100% sure he was diving. He must not have given the penalty because he wasn't 100% sure it was a foul.

So why not just get rid of the yellow card for 'simulation'?

Instead just hand out a black card when incidents like Vardy or Elheny happen? Black cards don't impact the current game but after the game video refs go through the incident and deem if it was simulation or not. If it's simulation the player keeps the black card. If it isn't the black card gets recinded. 2 black cards and the player is suspended for a match.

It would stop a debatable decision being made in the heat of the moment and impacting games whilst coming down harsh on those diving after the match. The result of this is both Elheny and Vardy dived and would have black cards next to their name but it wouldn't have impacted on eitther game.

Far to sensible for F.A. Very good post though

[jammie82uk]

Did the commentators say anything?

Yeah.

"Good refereeing"

I watched the game on nbcsn and the commentary team called both "dives" as a dive and one said to the other "if your Jamie Vardy and watching this game you have got to wonder where the yellow card is for him"

[biggs]

I watched the game on nbcsn and the commentary team called both "dives" as a dive and one said to the other "if your Jamie Vardy and watching this game you have got to wonder where the yellow card is for him"

Heard the same. Moss is a disgrace as is the fa if they take Moss's view any further.

[Matt]

I watched the game on nbcsn and the commentary team called both "dives" as a dive and one said to the other "if your Jamie Vardy and watching this game you have got to wonder where the yellow card is for him"

I was watching Sky coverage, the general concensus was he has a good game.

[Babylon]

I was watching Sky coverage, the general concensus was he has a good game.

But Sky said the same about the West Ham game.

After seeing the Payet dive replay yesterday and the two last night I'm even more pissed off than I was.

[wattolcfc]

but Sky said the same about the West Ham game.

After seeing the Payet dive replay yesterday and the two last night I'm even more pissed off then I was.

This annoys me too. MOTD didn't even show the Payet dive which would have been compared to Vardy. Both were on a yellow and both "dived", yet the referee came to a different decision for both.

[Guest ttfn]

but Sky said the same about the West Ham game.

After seeing the Payet dive replay yesterday and the two last night I'm even more pissed off then I was.

Not to mention that the Payet dive was a far clearer cut case than Vardy (not a hint of the foul from the defender).

You can't just point to the "big" (as determined by SKY) debatable calls and say "I can understand why he's given each of those so he had a good game" (*cough* Carragher *cough*) it's the whole game that was handled dreadfully and totally ignoring the Payet dive, not calling Reid out for diving as badly as Vardy for the Hammers' penalty, not citing Ogbonna's headlocking not only of Huth but Vardy, not pulling up the fact that Reid very clearly impeded Ulloa as he was starting to run at Ogbonna (West Ham's last defender) isn't "good punditry" or "sticking up for the officials", it's lazy punditry which doesn't even begin to get to grips with quite why we and (to a lesser extent) the West Ham fans are very unhappy with Moss' performance.

[Thracian]

yeah Alan Smith thought there was an overreaction afterwards about his performance and claimed Moss got every decision right

 

He didn't. And he wasn't consistent. Put together that made him appalling.  

 

 

Nah it's definitely worse than that, see his bizarre sending off of Schmeichel against Forest - has something against us. It's actually putting me off the sport a bit that this goes on unpunished.

[thebartonfox]

I don't understand the media rush to defend him all of a sudden. So far this morning I've seen one report that says he ignored two "borderline" dives last night, and another where they say he was "spot on when he dismissed Mohamed Elneny’s dive" last night. Regarding the first comment, anyone who saw them would have seen instantly that they were clear dives, with no doubt of being borderline at all. As for saying that he was spot on, yet calling it a dive in the same sentence, that's just beyond comprehension. If he was spot on, he would have booked him for diving! It's infuriating when you look back at the weekend...

[DJ Barry Hammond]

But Sky said the same about the West Ham game.

After seeing the Payet dive replay yesterday and the two last night I'm even more pissed off than I was.

Let's not get on a witch hunt, the Iwobe one is difficult to class as a dive, especially given he's not made any appeal. The Elney one looks a little dodgier, but it's not as strong a case as Vardy's where we need to remember the commentator said as it happened "that's a dive!"

The decisions Moss was probably most at fault for on the weekend was not giving a penalty just before we scored the first (one of many Huth challenges that he got away with), the foul against Huth for a penalty at the end and the penalty we did actually get. If we are going to be so sanctimonious then we really need to be complaining about the stuff that went for us as well rather than selective critiscism - if anyone can remember the online piece from an Arsenal fan that suggested we should have had 5 red cards, etc, etc, in the game at the Emirates, well yes we're starting to look as stupid as that.

For me it's time to park this attitude... because it just won't help anyone. When a team gets obsessed with the official, it clouds the mind and effects performance and I'm concerned a significant number of fans have got so obsessed with 'bad refereeing' that just the hint of an incorrect decision on Sunday will lead to the sort of atmosphere that the team doesn't need.

[johnny the fox]

Let's not get on a witch hunt, the Iwobe one is difficult to class as a dive, especially given he's not made any appeal. The Elney one looks a little dodgier, but it's not as strong a case as Vardy's where we need to remember the commentator said as it happened "that's a dive!"

The decisions Moss was probably most at fault for on the weekend was not giving a penalty just before we scored the first (one of many Huth challenges that he got away with), the foul against Huth for a penalty at the end and the penalty we did actually get. If we are going to be so sanctimonious then we really need to be complaining about the stuff that went for us as well rather than selective critiscism - if anyone can remember the online piece from an Arsenal fan that suggested we should have had 5 red cards, etc, etc, in the game at the Emirates, well yes we're starting to look as stupid as that.

For me it's time to park this attitude... because it just won't help anyone. When a team gets obsessed with the official, it clouds the mind and effects performance and I'm concerned a significant number of fans have got so obsessed with 'bad refereeing ' that just the hint of an incorrect decision on Sunday will lead to the sort of atmosphere that the team doesn't need.

hope you can be this reasonable if we don't make it now...I fookin can't .

[gdl9050]

People are still talking about this bloke? Jeeeeeze

[DJ Barry Hammond]

hope you can be this reasonable if we don't make it now...I fookin can't .

Make what - 40 points? Mid table safety?

The trap most fans have fallen into is dare to believe... and possibly even thought it was a forgone conclusion - so they're full of expectation, frustration and not enjoying the ride.

Bit of perspective.

[FrankieADZ]

Let's not get on a witch hunt, the Iwobe one is difficult to class as a dive, especially given he's not made any appeal. The Elney one looks a little dodgier, but it's not as strong a case as Vardy's where we need to remember the commentator said as it happened "that's a dive!"

The decisions Moss was probably most at fault for on the weekend was not giving a penalty just before we scored the first (one of many Huth challenges that he got away with), the foul against Huth for a penalty at the end and the penalty we did actually get. If we are going to be so sanctimonious then we really need to be complaining about the stuff that went for us as well rather than selective critiscism - if anyone can remember the online piece from an Arsenal fan that suggested we should have had 5 red cards, etc, etc, in the game at the Emirates, well yes we're starting to look as stupid as that.

For me it's time to park this attitude... because it just won't help anyone. When a team gets obsessed with the official, it clouds the mind and effects performance and I'm concerned a significant number of fans have got so obsessed with 'bad refereeing' that just the hint of an incorrect decision on Sunday will lead to the sort of atmosphere that the team doesn't need.

its more for me I just want to see consistence from the ref and all that, if Moss is going to give Vardy a yellow for diving one game, then I think he should have given one to Elnen yesterday.

guess its me

 

then again, I think we know disaster follow Jon Moss

[Simi]

Unreal level of hypocrisy from Darren Lewis in The Mirror. Acknowledges a dive took place but praises the referee for dismissing it?

 

 

He was also right to rule that Alex Iwobi had fallen over the legs of Craig Dawson instead of being fouled.

 

And despite howls of his derision, Moss was again spot on when he dismissed Mohamed Elneny’s dive under challenge from Yacob.

 

Overall he’ll have enjoyed this particular evening at the office. And being back in the saddle again.

 

Yet happy to justify the booking for Vardy. 

[Ricey]

The Iwobi one is possibly a dive, but could be a slip. Hard to tell. He got that one right. However it's no clearer that the Vardy one. You can't apply one rule for one match and another for next match!

 

Elemeny was a clear dive and should have been booked.

[Babylon]

Let's not get on a witch hunt, the Iwobe one is difficult to class as a dive, especially given he's not made any appeal. The Elney one looks a little dodgier, but it's not as strong a case as Vardy's where we need to remember the commentator said as it happened "that's a dive!"

Iwobe suddenly loses mobility in his legs, falls to the floor and looks to the ref. The second one was also as clear as day a dive. Whether you appeal (they did) or the commentator thinks it's a dive from 100 metres away doesn't matter.

 

The decisions Moss was probably most at fault for on the weekend was not giving a penalty just before we scored the first (one of many Huth challenges that he got away with), the foul against Huth for a penalty at the end and the penalty we did actually get. If we are going to be so sanctimonious then we really need to be complaining about the stuff that went for us as well rather than selective critiscism - if anyone can remember the online piece from an Arsenal fan that suggested we should have had 5 red cards, etc, etc, in the game at the Emirates, well yes we're starting to look as stupid as that.

It has already been said god knows how many times, that you can easily put a case forward that he got decisions correct when looked at in isolation. The issue was consistency and everyone is well aware that it was against both teams. The bloke was an absolute idiot from the very first minute and his game management was woeful... it wasn't even a dirty game and it was utterly obvious someone would get sent off.

 

 

For me it's time to park this attitude... because it just won't help anyone. When a team gets obsessed with the official, it clouds the mind and effects performance and I'm concerned a significant number of fans have got so obsessed with 'bad refereeing' that just the hint of an incorrect decision on Sunday will lead to the sort of atmosphere that the team doesn't need.

Well thanks for telling me to park the attitude, How about, you park yours and don't bother coming in this thread again if you are fed up of reading about it.

[Babylon]

Unreal level of hypocrisy from Darren Lewis in The Mirror. Acknowledges a dive took place but praises the referee for dismissing it?

 

 

Yet happy to justify the booking for Vardy. 

Lewis is a total cockend and has been against Leicester for months.

[kushiro]

Guess what - in the Liverpool v Spurs game earlier this month Moss booked Coutinho. For diving.

 

Can anybody find footage of it?

[DJ Barry Hammond]

Guess what - in the Liverpool v Spurs game earlier this month Moss booked Coutinho. For diving.

 

Can anybody find footage of it?

http://youtu.be/43SiB_xdV9c

[thybluefox]

http://youtu.be/43SiB_xdV9c

 

It's one thing talking about consistency between refs - but how can that be achieved when individual refs aren't even consistent?

 

Booked Coutinho, booked Vardy, didn't book Iwobe or Elney? Woeful. 

 

Edit: What is really still pissing me off here though is that there's obvious precedent for not booking a player after a dive. Surely as a ref he should be wanting to keep the game 11v11 right? So he could have given a free kick for diving without booking him - but instead Moss chose to send Vardy off. It wasn't unavoidable like if it had been a violent challenge or deliberate handball, or even taking his shirt off after he'd scored. 

 

And we've got 1 referee who's called 4 fouls for diving, but only booked the player in question twice. What makes one dive a bookable offence and the other not? 

 

I really don't get it.