Blarmy Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 I think if a ref is going to give a second yellow, he has to have a bit of a think first, and weigh up the crimes versus the punishment. Moss got a lot wrong on Sunday, but the worst thing he did was to not ask himself was "are those two incidents really worthy of a sending off and a one match ban?". Reading tackles, incidents, etc. must be hard, particularly in mental games like that one, but there's no excuse for not taking pause and having a bit of a think. Maybe mull it over with the lino. What annoyed me the most was the quickness of the decisions. It was like he couldn't wait. Bad attitude imo.
WigstonWanderer Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Having gone over a few case notes of other incidents (via FA website), it's unlikely - it'll be an additional one game ban and a fine, plus costs of the hearing. It's not just the foul and abusive language (to his face), it's the finger pointing that makes it so much worse, especially when it was splashed across the back pages on Monday. The FA have little choice in this matter really (dispite what Wroy says). If he'd just walked off and muttered under his breath, he'd have nothing to answer. I think someone pointed out earlier that the finger pointing looks a lot worse on the photos than it actually was due to foreshortening. Apparently he's actually about 15 feet away.
Dan Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Five days on and I still think he deserves to be investigated. An absolute disgrace of a referee.
HighPeakFox Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Five days on and I still think he deserves to be investigated. An absolute disgrace of a referee. Old school arrogance. That and inconsistencies do my head in.
Thracian Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Let's not get on a witch hunt, the Iwobe one is difficult to class as a dive, especially given he's not made any appeal. The Elney one looks a little dodgier, but it's not as strong a case as Vardy's where we need to remember the commentator said as it happened "that's a dive!" The decisions Moss was probably most at fault for on the weekend was not giving a penalty just before we scored the first (one of many Huth challenges that he got away with), the foul against Huth for a penalty at the end and the penalty we did actually get. If we are going to be so sanctimonious then we really need to be complaining about the stuff that went for us as well rather than selective critiscism - if anyone can remember the online piece from an Arsenal fan that suggested we should have had 5 red cards, etc, etc, in the game at the Emirates, well yes we're starting to look as stupid as that. For me it's time to park this attitude... because it just won't help anyone. When a team gets obsessed with the official, it clouds the mind and effects performance and I'm concerned a significant number of fans have got so obsessed with 'bad refereeing' that just the hint of an incorrect decision on Sunday will lead to the sort of atmosphere that the team doesn't need. There's not even a logical argument about the Vardy penalty. The bloke grabbed his shoulder to restrain him. Whatever happened after that is irrelevent. At that point it was a penalty. And no commentator's opinion or anything else will change that. As for the "obsession" I can't recall any of our fans becoming more than momentarily reactionary about any other referee this season. Quite the contrary, they seem pretty realistic, but Moss on Sunday was diabolical. There was no excusing it because the incidents were there to be seen plainly enough. It's little wonder fans are angry. As for it affecting the team, that would be surprising seeing as none of the other pressures seem to have affected them unduly so far.
ithuriel Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Still waiting for someone to chin the cnut live on TV,
ThaiFox Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 There's not even a logical argument about the Vardy penalty. The bloke grabbed his shoulder to restrain him. Whatever happened after that is irrelevent. At that point it was a penalty. And no commentator's opinion or anything else will change that. As for the "obsession" I can't recall any of our fans becoming more than momentarily reactionary about any other referee this season. Quite the contrary, they seem pretty realistic, but Moss on Sunday was diabolical. There was no excusing it because the incidents were there to be seen plainly enough. It's little wonder fans are angry. As for it affecting the team, that would be surprising seeing as none of the other pressures seem to have affected them unduly so far. I'm surprised more 'pundits' (failed managers) did not pick up on the shoulder pull. Nothing else matters after that point. All the Thai commentators out here picked up on it and said it was a clear penalty. Moss didn't see that because he was behind Vardy. When running at full pace you will always find the slightest touch effects your balance. Vardy was just too dramatic, which is all the excuse Moss needed to send him off. The Morgan penalty was a far more blatant dive. How can you pull someone and they fall forwards? How Moss missed that was very strange. He seemed determined to give a penalty after speaking to Morgan & Huth. The neck pull on Vardy in the first 10 minutes was a terrible miss by Moss (as was the 88th minute Huth incident). If he'd have given a penalty then, he might have stamped his authority on the game, especially the penalty area scuffles. The totally inconsistent decisions throughout the match were puzzling to say the least. It wasn't a dirty match but both teams were trying their hardest (unlike Stoke and Man Ure against spuds). It makes we question if the FA don't want a club like Leicester to win their precious title. Could it be possible they've put that into referees heads? I couldn't possibly comment!
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 I'm surprised more 'pundits' (failed managers) did not pick up on the shoulder pull. Nothing else matters after that point. All the Thai commentators out here picked up on it and said it was a clear penalty. Moss didn't see that because he was behind Vardy. When running at full pace you will always find the slightest touch effects your balance. Vardy was just too dramatic, which is all the excuse Moss needed to send him off. The Morgan penalty was a far more blatant dive. How can you pull someone and they fall forwards? How Moss missed that was very strange. He seemed determined to give a penalty after speaking to Morgan & Huth. The neck pull on Vardy in the first 10 minutes was a terrible miss by Moss (as was the 88th minute Huth incident). If he'd have given a penalty then, he might have stamped his authority on the game, especially the penalty area scuffles. The totally inconsistent decisions throughout the match were puzzling to say the least. It wasn't a dirty match but both teams were trying their hardest (unlike Stoke and Man Ure against spuds). It makes we question if the FA don't want a club like Leicester to win their precious title. Could it be possible they've put that into referees heads? I couldn't possibly comment! Consistancy... If you claim that on the Vardy situation, then you can't claim the Reid situation is a dive because Morgan had two arms outstretched trying to pull him back before he went over.
biggs Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Consistancy... If you claim that on the Vardy situation, then you can't claim the Reid situation is a dive because Morgan had two arms outstretched trying to pull him back before he went over. on that logic... both are dives or both are PK's.....Moss once again shows is inability to ref fairly.....he's a disgrace to the game and shouldn't get another match in the premier league.
ThaiFox Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Consistancy... If you claim that on the Vardy situation, then you can't claim the Reid situation is a dive because Morgan had two arms outstretched trying to pull him back before he went over. Very good point, but although Morgan had his two arms outstretched to pull Reid, he fell forwards. We could argue Vardy fell because he was running at full pelt, but you can't argue that Reid fell forward when he was supposed to be being pulled backwards. They were both very strange decisions. Were West Ham players informed that Reid had warned Morgan & Huth? If so, it could be they were deliberately looking for a situation to gain a penalty. None of this would have happened if Moss had stamped his authority on the game after the Vardy neck pull in the 10th Minute. Players will always look to get away with things and the only way to stamp it out is to made decisive decisions straight away in a match, not in the 34th game of the season towards the end of a match!
Wortho Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 I have seen the Ars v Wba game last night The Iwobi and Elneny decisions seem to be questionable. Certainly one or more should have been given as a dive. Really it's a media frenzy and Vardy and the club are the ones to suffer.
DB11 Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Edit: What is really still pissing me off here though is that there's obvious precedent for not booking a player after a dive. Surely as a ref he should be wanting to keep the game 11v11 right? So he could have given a free kick for diving without booking him - but instead Moss chose to send Vardy off. It wasn't unavoidable like if it had been a violent challenge or deliberate handball, or even taking his shirt off after he'd scored. No it wasn't You can't just give a free kick and no yellow You stop play to issue the caution and therefore the restart is an indirect free kick...
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 No it wasn't You can't just give a free kick and no yellow You stop play to issue the caution and therefore the restart is an indirect free kick... I haven't caught sight of your qualified opinion on all this DB. Is it not a case of decisions where you're damned if you do, damned if you don't?
Steameh Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 No it wasn't You can't just give a free kick and no yellow You stop play to issue the caution and therefore the restart is an indirect free kick... Didnt we get a free kick for payet diving outside the box and he didnt get his second yellow?
DB11 Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Didnt we get a free kick for payet diving outside the box and he didnt get his second yellow? I don't know what incident you're on about but I can safely say no, no that wouldn't have happened
Jimbo Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Didnt we get a free kick for payet diving outside the box and he didnt get his second yellow? Payet did take a dive, which really REALLY pee'd me off, but moss didn't do a thing, just let play go on because we came away with the ball
The Doctor Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Didnt we get a free kick for payet diving outside the box and he didnt get his second yellow? No. Payet obviously dived but the ref ignored it and gave nothing.
biggs Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 As soon as Vardy was held back in the box it should have been a PK. How the hell every pundit and ex ref ignores this actual law of the game baffles me.
johnny the fox Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Moss.... would it be out of order to have a whip round.. to raise money to hire a hit man and have him whacked? no? ok...thought I'd ask.... lucky I haven't taken it hard..
STUHILL Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 No one can convince me that Vardy did not dive. It was not a typical dive, in that there was no contact but I believe that Vardy put his leg into the defender to make himself fall under THAT contact. The hand on the shoulder before Vardy was not enough to bring him down or unbalance him enough to make that deliberate action of moving his right leg into the defenders path resulting in the tangle. That doesn't make me any less of a fan guys! It's just the way I see it after watching it numerous times. I do however do not believe it was a yellow card. For me a yellow card should be given when there is 0 contact and is a blatant dive. This was not. I also think the inconsistency from the refs is a disgrace and you either book everyone who goes down in the area or you give them a penalty. It is either a foul or it is a dive. So why on earth Moss decided to not only give this yellow but also in total knowledge that it would result in a red and ban, is totally beyond me. Then to give such a soft penalty when pushing goes on in the penalty area in every single match all season long, is another total mystery. Put the two together, and you think either an anti-leicester twat or an arrogant "i want the attention" twat. Either way, he's a twat.
smudger63 Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 I'm surprised more 'pundits' (failed managers) did not pick up on the shoulder pull. Nothing else matters after that point. All the Thai commentators out here picked up on it and said it was a clear penalty. Moss didn't see that because he was behind Vardy. When running at full pace you will always find the slightest touch effects your balance. Vardy was just too dramatic, which is all the excuse Moss needed to send him off. The Morgan penalty was a far more blatant dive. How can you pull someone and they fall forwards? How Moss missed that was very strange. He seemed determined to give a penalty after speaking to Morgan & Huth. The neck pull on Vardy in the first 10 minutes was a terrible miss by Moss (as was the 88th minute Huth incident). If he'd have given a penalty then, he might have stamped his authority on the game, especially the penalty area scuffles. The totally inconsistent decisions throughout the match were puzzling to say the least. It wasn't a dirty match but both teams were trying their hardest (unlike Stoke and Man Ure against spuds). It makes we question if the FA don't want a club like Leicester to win their precious title. Could it be possible they've put that into referees heads? I couldn't possibly comment! More to the point, he seemed to have let Andy Carroll get into his head. From the first corner after he came on at half time, you could see him moaning to the ref, and pointing at Huth and Morgan, and he proceeded to do the same thing at every corner and set piece, which is why the ref pulled out Huth and Morgan to warn them. To be fair to Carroll, he played a blinder there. He probably felt that Moss was a weak Ref that could be influenced.
Larry_LCFC Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 The blokes a cvnt. No other word comes close. If he ever referees a match in Leicester again, I hope he is booed from minute one. Cvnt cvnt cvnt.
Spiritwalker Posted 22 April 2016 Posted 22 April 2016 Moss.... would it be out of order to have a whip round.. to raise money to hire a hit man and have him whacked? no? ok...thought I'd ask.... lucky I haven't taken it hard..No, that's bang out of order, no one should be sentenced to death just for being shit at their job.I would however be up for contributing to a whip round to raise money to have him severely beaten up.
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