5waller5 Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 ???????? I know he wasn't in line with everyone else but it's clear as day that RVP is offside. For a start, the linesman himself isn't in line with play. It's just poor officiating. You can blame Morgan for not being up with everyone else as much as you want but that doesn't take away from the fact it's a pretty terrible decision. Also, if Morgan had been in line RVP may well have held his run more and we could have had the same situation just further up the field. The goal stood. RVP was onside according to history - yes we can argue it was mistake - and I'd argue it was a mistake that was made easy by Wes not being positioned correctly. Create another thread ffs over the RVP goal, and get back to TOPIC. How is "who should make way for Huth" not on topic??? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
nickelbyfox Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Happy with this signing! Think he could be very hit or miss - but hopefully the former! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 He would have had to make a howler of a decision then ... giving him onside when he was 5 yards off ..... As it was he was probably one step offside - easy decision to get wrong. I just don't see how you can defend Wes for being totally out of line with the rest of the back four that he's meant to marshall ..... He made a mistake. I'm not suggesting he's shot for it .... but I do think it's him that on current form should make way for Huth. As I have already said, if Wes hadn't been there RVP would have been with him in the line and not in that position. I'm told RVP is brilliant, so I'm going to take that on board and presume he'd also be smart enough to move himself closer to the line and not be 6 feet offside. Thus still enabling the linesman to make a hash of what look a fairly obvious call even watching it not in line on tv. Morgans job is to play his man offside which he did, that's why I can defend him in this instance. Would I prefer another defender 100%. But I stand by what I said about it being harsh to blame him alone for all three goals, especially when it was a cock up by the linesman... history showing it onside or not. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EnderbyFox Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 @robert_huth 6m6 minutes ago Happy times at Stoke, thanks for everything! And moving on means i’ll maybe fulfil my dream of marking Jon Walters one day Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Anyway... enough of this boring shit. @robert_huth 6m6 minutes ago Happy times at Stoke, thanks for everything! And moving on means i’ll maybe fulfil my dream of marking Jon Walters one day Sounds like he might be gone for good! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry - LCFC Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 @robert_huth 6m6 minutes ago Happy times at Stoke, thanks for everything! And moving on means i’ll maybe fulfil my dream of marking Jon Walters one day Anyone else a bit surprised by this? I thought this move was just to get him back up to speed for next season. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bettsj2 Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Anyone else a bit surprised by this? I thought this move was just to get him back up to speed for next season. If we stay up, Huth will sign permanantly. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
fuchsntf Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 The goal stood. RVP was onside according to history - yes we can argue it was mistake - and I'd argue it was a mistake that was made easy by Wes not being positioned correctly. How is "who should make way for Huth" not on topic??? Too many posts on and read that one single goal,and rants thereover chooses the dropped player. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 @robert_huth 6m6 minutes ago Happy times at Stoke, thanks for everything! And moving on means i’ll maybe fulfil my dream of marking Jon Walters one day Sounds interesting Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harry - LCFC Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 If we stay up, Huth will sign permanantly. Do you know this or are you just speculating? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Col city fan Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Yep..fingers crossed. At least we have somebody now who can both defend and attack set pieces. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 whats the betting Upson breaks Huths leg in training? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lgfualol Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 whats the betting Upson breaks Huths leg in training? Old man Upson would probably break his hips in the process Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Royston. Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Old man Upson would probably break his hips in the process Agree they'd likely take each other out Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 DD and Kram were at fault and yes, it should have been given offside. However, he was nowhere near in line with the rest of defence. The line was about two foot higher than Wes, and it was him that played RVP onside (even though it turns out he was marginally offside.) Same was true for the second goal. He consistently sits deeper than the rest of the defensive line, making it easy for Prem standard players to exploit the space and carve out chances. O.G may have been unfortunate, but for me he seems to be getting 'unfortunate' a little too often for my liking. RVP, being the clever player that he is, sees how deep Wes is and takes up a position that allows him to find space. If Wes was in line with the rest of the defence, this would not be possible. Same again for the second goal, Wes' positioning allowed them to flood forward and pick a pass easily. Both goals came from losing the ball. I think Wes' problem is that he doesn't organise the defensive line quickly and is prone to being caught out in these sorts of situations that can spring up at any time in games. If you set up quickly, you set yourself as a defensive force to deal with these unexpected sequences of play. I've heard Huth is a very vocal defender, so hopefully he will do more to sort our defensive shape. Wes hasn't been perfect but hard to pick him out at fault for either of the first two goals on Saturday. The first goal was down to us losing posession which was the problem all game. We just couldn't keep the bloody ball. Second goal was clearly down to Wasilewski- charging out like a bull at a gate which he does quite often. Not allowed to criticise him on here, though. Third goal I've watched again and again and I just think Wes was unfortunate. Yeah, you could say he's been so too often this season. Funnily enough, I don't think either Wasilewksi or Wes were the problem on Sat in truth. The problem was we just conceded posession again and again. We just could not keep the ball. It's been our problem all season for me. Defensively I think we've been better of late. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
EGBFitness Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 I like the look of him, no nonsense... Old school some would say. When you turn up at training with a black bag and not your typical LV bag you know he is here to **** shit up! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
LAprice_ Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Robert Huth, the experienced Premier League defender, is the second youngest centre back in the squad. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 I said pre season that Morgan wouldn't cut it in the Premiership. Hopefully, now, we have some backbone in the side. If you drop Was. instead of Morgan, Pearson, then it will be a travesty. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Wes hasn't been perfect but hard to pick him out at fault for either of the first two goals on Saturday. The first goal was down to us losing posession which was the problem all game. We just couldn't keep the bloody ball. Second goal was clearly down to Wasilewski- charging out like a bull at a gate which he does quite often. Not allowed to criticise him on here, though. Third goal I've watched again and again and I just think Wes was unfortunate. Yeah, you could say he's been so too often this season. Funnily enough, I don't think either Wasilewksi or Wes were the problem on Sat in truth. The problem was we just conceded posession again and again. We just could not keep the ball. It's been our problem all season for me. Defensively I think we've been better of late. Dead right, its your midfielders that are supposed to create the space by pushing into the opposition half to allow your defenders to hold the ball. Our midfielders are too busy trying to defend which just allows the opposition to control the midfield area. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 I was making the point that Wes was at fault for the goal actually ....because he played RVP onside..... whether the linesman made a bad decision or not, if Wes had been inline, where he should have been, then that goal wouldn't have happened. One of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that takes some going. How in God's name could he have played a player onside who was clearly offside at the time? If the laws of the game aren't applied correctly you can't blame our players for it. If, for example, a Liverpool player crosses it in to the box, Morgan heads it clear and the referee decides to give Liverpool a penalty, would that also be Morgan's fault? Purely hypothetical mind you, I'm sure nothing that ridiculous could happen. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
5waller5 Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 One of the stupidest things I've ever read on here, and that takes some going. How in God's name could he have played a player onside who was clearly offside at the time? If the laws of the game aren't applied correctly you can't blame our players for it. If, for example, a Liverpool player crosses it in to the box, Morgan heads it clear and the referee decides to give Liverpool a penalty, would that also be Morgan's fault? Purely hypothetical mind you, I'm sure nothing that ridiculous could happen. In another example .... A defender jockeying someone in the penalty area with both arms out gets the ball blasted into his arm and gives away handball ..... harsh decision / wrong decision ..... But poor play from the player who should have taken the possibility away by getting his hands to his side. Officials make mistakes ..... Players can help themselves from being the victim of those mistakes. Wes had an awful line for RVP's goal. I don't know why you want to defend poor defending. Thankfully NP will be having a word with Wes about his line for that goal and not just naming the linesman (I hope so anyway!). Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Steve_Guppy_Left_Foot Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Blaming any player for an officials error is utter lunacy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ealingfox Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 In another example .... A defender jockeying someone in the penalty area with both arms out gets the ball blasted into his arm and gives away handball ..... harsh decision / wrong decision ..... But poor play from the player who should have taken the possibility away by getting his hands to his side. Officials make mistakes ..... Players can help themselves from being the victim of those mistakes. Wes had an awful line for RVP's goal. I don't know why you want to defend poor defending. Thankfully NP will be having a word with Wes about his line for that goal and not just naming the linesman (I hope so anyway!). Well if the linesman couldn't spot a clear offside, why is there any guarantee that he would spot a slightly clearer offside? You are clutching at straws and your original post was utter horseshit based on absolute speculation. If he couldn't spot that offside, there's no guarantee he'd have flagged even if van Persie had picked up the ball, dribbled it like a basketball and thrown it into the net. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dickov22 Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Why hasn't anyone realised that the third goal was actually Ulloa's fault for letting his man get infront of him to flick the ball on. His one job is to stop that happening. Wasn't even Wes' fault in my opinion. He's got to head the ball, just typical of his luck it goes in Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
MPH Posted 2 February 2015 Share Posted 2 February 2015 Not really ... the official gave it onside and the goal stood ... If wes had been in line with the rest of the back 4 (which there is no excuse why he wasn't) then there would have been no room for the official to make a tight decision wrongly. God you are such a tit , sometimes.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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