Babylon Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 You know, this actually about sums it up. What do we have to lose really? Can it be much worse really? We are poor on the pitch ((just look at the stats) and Nigel, whatever motives he has, is making himself look silly off it. Can it be much worse or are people resigned to relgation and hope Pearson takes us straight back up again. Has it really come to that? Genuine question? I thought you wanted Pearson to have this season and some of next? Of course it could be worse, we currently sit 11th in the form table over the last 6 games. We have improved on how we were during that awful run, not only results wise but performance wise. We didn't get performances like the one against Liverpool, Spurs or Palace back then. We looked hopeless and clueless. Yes the results aren't what they should be considering some of the performances. But you have to look at the whole picture not just the fact we lost. We should without doubt got something from Palace and Spurs and the reason was poor finishing, the rest our our game isn't too far off what it should be most of the time. I walk away from the games and mostly say we're missing that final ingredient and that could come with Kramaric when he's game ready, or it could come with Ulloa or another striker finding a bit of form, or getting a bit of luck and the ball bouncing in off someones arse. We're going to have games like Stoke and United, that's just the nature of the league. But I don't know how people can actually sit there with a straight face and say there has been no improvement over the last 6 weeks or so. People talk like it's been an unmitigated disaster of a season, yet everyone also says they knew it would be a battle and that relegation was a posibility. We're about 4 points off position wise where I thought we'd be, you're in the realms of a single decision from a ref or one player fluffing a chance away from almost being there. Back to the point of it being worse, yes it can. So many clubs said the same and it got worse, a lot worse.
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 absolutely not. pearson is the best man to keep us up, and if we are unlucky enough to go down pearson is the best man to bring us back up (again). so let's sack him. You don't know this Scouse. You just don't know that. The best man to keep us up, based on what? Genuine question, so please give an answer. Look at our position, look at our stats. Even Burnley (a team you were ridiculing earlier this season I believe?) are above us. Don't look at last season. It's gone, look at now. We're gash mate. We need to get some points, but from where?
tickler28 Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Self-discovery is the beginning of the path to eternal bliss. You really are a class A ****
CosbehFox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 I see other teams make CHANGES and some come off, some don't but at least they can say they bloody tried whilst we... Stats say teams what sack their manager after Christmas do not stay up. You are more likely to stay up by keeping your manager at this stage.
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 I thought you wanted Pearson to have this season and some of next? Of course it could be worse, we currently sit 11th in the form table over the last 6 games. We have improved on how we were during that awful run, not only results wise but performance wise. We didn't get performances like the one against Liverpool, Spurs or Palace back then. We looked hopeless and clueless. Yes the results aren't what they should be considering some of the performances. But you have to look at the whole picture not just the fact we lost. We should without doubt got something from Palace and Spurs and the reason was poor finishing, the rest our our game isn't too far off what it should be most of the time. I walk away from the games and mostly say we're missing that final ingredient and that could come with Kramaric when he's game ready, or it could come with Ulloa or another striker finding a bit of form, or getting a bit of luck and the ball bouncing in off someones arse. We're going to have games like Stoke and United, that's just the nature of the league. But I don't know how people can actually sit there with a straight face and say there has been no improvement over the last 6 weeks or so. People talk like it's been an unmitigated disaster of a season, yet everyone also says they knew it would be a battle and that relegation was a posibility. We're about 4 points off position wise where I thought we'd be, you're in the realms of a single decision from a ref or one player fluffing a chance away from almost being there. Back to the point of it being worse, yes it can. So many clubs said the same and it got worse, a lot worse. It's ages ago, but I think I said that I wanted the Thais to publically come out and say that Pearson gets TWO seasons in the job, to stop any rumour and discussion about him being sacked. To nip it in the bud so to,speak. But they didn't. I think that's the point I was making but it's been so long ago, you'll probably correct me. And I think I said, if they said that, that's what he should get, ie they should stick with it. That's what I meant anyway.
funkyrobot Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Not one of you in this thread demanding Pearson out has any suggestion for a replacement. Do you not see that this has to be a vital part of your argument and yet nothing.
tickler28 Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Stats say teams what sack their manager after Christmas do not stay up. You are more likely to stay up by keeping your manager at this stage. Which is why LIKE I said if you read my other posts back in November he should have gone then but I'm just sick of people kissing his ++++
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Not one of you in this thread demanding Pearson out has any suggestion for a replacement. Do you not see that this has to be a vital part of your argument and yet nothing. How many more times... Are you not reading the thread. Neil Lennon, for instance.
CosbehFox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Which is why LIKE I said if you read my other posts back in November he should have gone then but I'm just sick of people kissing his ++++ So why are you still banging on about it then? Get behind the club of which the manager is part of. Needlessly moaning about it creates nothing more than a split fanbase and a negativity.
adam Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Not one of you in this thread demanding Pearson out has any suggestion for a replacement. Do you not see that this has to be a vital part of your argument and yet nothing. Weve mentioned Lennon, so theres one and someone mentioned john gregory
tickler28 Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Not one of you in this thread demanding Pearson out has any suggestion for a replacement. Do you not see that this has to be a vital part of your argument and yet nothing. Wanted him out in November...wanted Pulis. What I want now is for people to stop defending the undefendable and accept he isn't here still because the Thais want him to be....he's here until better comes along...which won't be long...Mark W my words
Finnaldo Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 You don't know this Scouse. You just don't know that. The best man to keep us up, based on what? Genuine question, so please give an answer. Look at our position, look at our stats. Even Burnley (a team you were ridiculing earlier this season I believe?) are above us. Don't look at last season. It's gone, look at now. We're gash mate. We need to get some points, but from where? Pearson was behind the 2-2 draw with Everton, 1-1 draw with Arsenal, 5-2 win against Man U and 2-2 Liverpool. He hasn't been able to transfer that to other matches, but I'd rather stick with this as players come back from injuries and players like Kramaric (who hadn't played or trained since 2 weeks previous to signing for us) and Huth beginning to be integrated than a couple of coaches we already have (if they chose to stay after Pearson's departure) or a manager who cannot bring in any new players and has to try and keep us up with someone else's squad.
ScouseFox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 You don't know this Scouse. You just don't know that. The best man to keep us up, based on what? Genuine question, so please give an answer. Look at our position, look at our stats. Even Burnley (a team you were ridiculing earlier this season I believe?) are above us. Don't look at last season. It's gone, look at now. We're gash mate. We need to get some points, but from where? who'd be better? nobody knows because nobody can see into the future. but pearson's the best man for us. i'd say that was pretty obvious considering our whole forward movement over the last 7 years has come under him, and when the owners thought they'd find someone better we failed for 18 months until we had to get him back. he's the best man to keep us up because it's his squad, he's got the players on side and knows them. i've questioned his tactics at times this season but the man who many (you?) are hinting might be the one to do better has been playing matt mills up front for the last few weeks, hardly a master friggin tactician. i just can't see how anyone would be in a better position than pearson to give it a go at staying up.
Unabomber Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Weve mentioned Lennon, so theres one and someone mentioned john gregory Says it all
tickler28 Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 So why are you still banging on about it then? Get behind the club of which the manager is part of. Needlessly moaning about it creates nothing more than a split fanbase and a negativity. To be fair I've forgotten what were even arguing about?!?!
ScouseFox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Weve mentioned Lennon, so theres one and someone mentioned john gregory i think funky robot was hinting that someone should mention a name with substance and give reasons why they'd do well, not just keep shouting random names.
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 who'd be better? nobody knows because nobody can see into the future. but pearson's the best man for us. i'd say that was pretty obvious considering our whole forward movement over the last 7 years has come under him, and when the owners thought they'd find someone better we failed for 18 months until we had to get him back. he's the best man to keep us up because it's his squad, he's got the players on side and knows them. i've questioned his tactics at times this season but the man who many (you?) are hinting might be the one to do better has been playing matt mills up front for the last few weeks, hardly a master friggin tactician. i just can't see how anyone would be in a better position than pearson to give it a go at staying up. Good answer... And I hope you're right. I don't want to see Leicester City relegated. It would be a bloody disaster.
adam Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 who'd be better? nobody knows because nobody can see into the future. but pearson's the best man for us. i'd say that was pretty obvious considering our whole forward movement over the last 7 years has come under him, and when the owners thought they'd find someone better we failed for 18 months until we had to get him back. he's the best man to keep us up because it's his squad, he's got the players on side and knows them. i've questioned his tactics at times this season but the man who many (you?) are hinting might be the one to do better has been playing matt mills up front for the last few weeks, hardly a master friggin tactician. i just can't see how anyone would be in a better position than pearson to give it a go at staying up. how do we no the players are on his side. Clearly Albrighton isn't.
Voll Blau Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 I trully wonder sometimes if people on this forum even care about winning football matches, playing well, staying up. So many people seem just content to keep losing matches and playing shit. I for one am just depressed with the same old bullshit week in, week out...and then people just making excuses for our limp attempt at winning football matches. I see other teams make CHANGES and some come off, some don't but at least they can say they bloody tried whilst we...like Villa just seem content on dross because its stable and safe. Its like when people drive the same old shit car until its run into the ground because its cheaper and your familiar with it. You couldn't possibly imagine getting a new car least of all one that isnt trued and tested. Carry on driving your Vauxhall Zafiras.....I fancy me a Hyundai or Toyota!!!! Gr8 analogy m8.
Babylon Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 You have no idea whether or not Lennon would be better than Pearson at this present time. None. In fact, it would be hard to be any worse. We could have got zero points from the last 6 games instead of 7, the same amount as Man City. 5 more than QPR, 3 more than Hull, one more than Burnley... god knows what they make of their own form if ours is so awful. That's my point... Some clubs shake it up. Sometimes it works, sometimes it don't. But at least they've tried. The Thais seem to be settling for relegation without doing anything much about it. The club is being run like a bit of a joke at the moment Mark. From top to bottom (no pun intended), no one seems to have much of a plan. They haven't tried? Let me get this right, not sacking the manager is now classed as not having tried. What utter utter nonsense. Do you not think what they are trying is just something different, like actually sticking with one man and giving him every opportunity. Like they did before (which I don't have to remind you worked brilliantly for them). Their "not trying" last time after the watford game worked when you were no doubt wanting them to sack him. When they "tried" with Sven, when they "tried" with Sousa, it failed... miserably. They are sticking with the lessons they have learnt in football so far, and I for one think it's admirable to go about the grain of modern football. The club is being run like a bit of a joke at the moment Mark. From top to bottom (no pun intended), no one seems to have much of a plan. In reality, you have no idea how the club is being run, just like I don't or anyone else.
Corky Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 Wanted him out in November...wanted Pulis. What I want now is for people to stop defending the undefendable and accept he isn't here still because the Thais want him to be....he's here until better comes along...which won't be long...Mark W my words You said earlier you'd take anyone instead of Pearson so by your logic they are available. Why don't the Thai's listen to you and get anyone? Fvcking hell.
Ian S Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 How many more times... Are you not reading the thread. Neil Lennon, for instance. And i ask again,why the Lennon love in,based on a few honeymoon period wins at Bolton where anyone could do better than Freedman.Imagine Lennon overseeing a 4-1 defeat at Derby as Leicester manager,this forum would meltdown.He may turn out to be a great manager but lets give him a year at Bolton before suggesting he is the messiah.I thought a major criticism of Pearson was his lack of premiership experience.
The Horse's Mouth Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 It's ages ago, but I think I said that I wanted the Thais to publically come out and say that Pearson gets TWO seasons in the job, to stop any rumour and discussion about him being sacked. To nip it in the bud so to,speak. But they didn't. I think that's the point I was making but it's been so long ago, you'll probably correct me. And I think I said, if they said that, that's what he should get, ie they should stick with it. That's what I meant anyway. Didn't you want him to get a four year contract?
NewburyFox Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 So if he got us back up what then? Keep him - I wouldn't sack a manager as soon as they've got us promoted. Then see how we start. How do you know no-one else could get us straight back up? And possibly do a better job in the Prem. I'm not being provocative (Mods...take note), I'm making the point that no-one knows. Don't forget, it took Pearson more than one go at promotion. It's all speculation. What is factual is that this season (the only one that really counts), Pearson is making a pigs ear of it, both on and off the field. At the same time Burnley move out of he relegation spaces, we are firmly rooted at the bottom. Having spent nearly 20 mill on just two players. If anyone thinks that acceptable, it isn't. Werent many ridiculing Burnley and Dyche, on here, only a few months ago. As far as I can see, they have a game plan, seem up for the fight and are not being pulled through the media mill like we are. It's a rubbish season so far isn't it. Be honest. I don't, but given that Pearson has already achieved it here with pretty much the same squad (and came pretty close in his other two full seasons) then why risk another appointment who may want to get his own squad in, and probably won't have as good a record in the Championship as Pearson. Like I said, I think the time to sack him has long gone. If we were going to sack him, it should've been November/December time in the middle of that awful run to give the new manager time to assess the squad and get his own players in. Now the transfer window has closed and any new manager would be stuck with the current squad. Given the lack of alternatives I'd be inclined to stick with Pearson, and hope that he can make the necessary tweaks to keep us up. Burnley and Dyche have done brilliantly (I tipped them to stay up, although I'm not sure if I said it on here) and it's been a horrendous season for us, way below my expectations. I'm not denying it, but when balancing the risks I'd keep him.
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 February 2015 Posted 9 February 2015 We could have got zero points from the last 6 games instead of 7, the same amount as Man City. 5 more than QPR, 3 more than Hull, one more than Burnley... god knows what they make of their own form if ours is so awful. They haven't tried? Let me get this right, not sacking the manager is now classed as not having tried. What utter utter nonsense. Do you not think what they are trying is just something different, like actually sticking with one man and giving him every opportunity. Like they did before (which I don't have to remind you worked brilliantly for them). Their "not trying" last time after the watford game worked when you were no doubt wanting them to sack him. When they "tried" with Sven, when they "tried" with Sousa, it failed... miserably. They are sticking with the lessons they have learnt in football so far, and I for one think it's admirable to go about the grain of modern football. In reality, you have no idea how the club is being run, just like I don't or anyone else. And will you say the same thing if the club gets relegated? That sticking with the status quo is somehow trying? We'll see how it pans out. But I'll ask you the same question if we do get relegated. You can ask me the same question if we don't. My point remains... No one has the faintest clue regarding whether a change would work, or not. It could go either way, just like keeping Pearson could. But this season, so far, has been pants. That's fact.
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