The Doctor Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 let's make it less crass. We're congratulating a person for doing the job they were supposed to be doing, but didn't do very well for 20 weeks resulting in us being in the mess he is being praised for getting us out of. . We're celebrating survival. Now, rewind time to last June - looking at those fixtures without any results against them: how many were saying that it was the final 8/9 that would decide our fate? Over the course of a season we've been good enough to stay up - the aim of the entire season, no? Does it really matter in what order the points come? Would you seriously argue that he'd have done a better job if we'd been consistently mediocre and these last 19 points were dotted around Nov-April rather than concentrated in April and May?
Babylon Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 We're celebrating survival. Now, rewind time to last June - looking at those fixtures without any results against them: how many were saying that it was the final 8/9 that would decide our fate? Over the course of a season we've been good enough to stay up - the aim of the entire season, no? Does it really matter in what order the points come? Would you seriously argue that he'd have done a better job if we'd been consistently mediocre and these last 19 points were dotted around Nov-April rather than concentrated in April and May?You're wasting your time.
MC Prussian Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 let's make it less crass. We're congratulating a person for doing the job they were supposed to be doing, but didn't do very well for 20 weeks resulting in us being in the mess he is being praised for getting us out of. . So you thought the first season back in the Premier League would be a simple walk in the park? Most fans knew it was a tough season ahead and thus limited their expectations. Pearson did at first time of asking what few managers without previous Premier League experience managed to accomplish - push the club over the finishing line above the relegation zone. That in itself is a rather terrific achievement.
Basingstoke Fox Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 Forget the promotions and the accolades. Sometimes the most important thing is to feel proud of your team and I always do feel like that with him in charge. Even if results are going badly I've never looked at any of them and thought they don't care or aren't trying. Couldn't agree more with this, they've always given 100%. He's built a team over a prolonged period of time, full of players who I genuinely like (certainly not always the case with footballers today!) and I do agree with him in that there were several performances which where the general standard was pretty good or sometimes very good and we were a little unlucky at times. We rarely had a full poor performance (though Swansea and Villa away in the cup certainly stick out) and we were never too far away from having a team which is very capable of competing at this level. Even if we went down, I'd be very confident in us having a good go at the Championship again and coming back stronger. Crucially, there hasn't been any other manager out who I believe could've done a better job and I couldn't bear all the upheaval of this squad that comes with bringing in a new manager!
5waller5 Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 I'm certainly not apologising, because i think anyone looking objectively could have the same opinion at the same time .... But I couldn't be more delighted that he's turned it around and performed nothing short of a miracle. He's certainly earnt my respect for that and I'm delighted to have him as the manager next season.
inckley fox Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 So you thought the first season back in the Premier League would be a simple walk in the park? Most fans know it was a tough season ahead and thus limited their expectations. Pearson did at first time of asking what few managers without previous Premier League experience managed to accomplish - push the club over the finishing line above the relegation zone. That in itself is a rather terrific achievement. I had some great discussions with you over the course of the season, many of which involved me criticising the manager and you sticking up for him. But there's no debate any more, he has seen us safe before the final game of the season, and we may even end up with a lower mid-table finish. It's an incredible achievement, however he happened to go about it. That said, the extent to which things seemed to click and the degree to which he seemed to get better as a manager has to add to the positivity to the future, rather than detract from the scale of the achievement. I don't think that I've ever been so wrong about something as I was when I turned back in February. I maintain that it was understandable, that I got behind the team rather than booed, but you (by which I mean 'me', of course) shouldn't be ashamed of feeling great about having been wrong. And it's the size of the achievement which has led to so many of us being wrong. Perhaps conveniently, I'd prefer to focus on the size of that achievement rather than the extent to which I underestimated Pearson!
inckley fox Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 I'm certainly not apologising, because i think anyone looking objectively could have the same opinion at the same time .... But I couldn't be more delighted that he's turned it around and performed nothing short of a miracle. He's certainly earnt my respect for that and I'm delighted to have him as the manager next season. I don't see where all this talk of apologising comes from, unless you were booing him, writing letters, yelling abuse etc. I certainly don't feel sorry for holding an opinion which was wrong, not for myself because the fact that it was wrong has made me very, very happy, and not for others because I don't think I was abusive or insulting in anything I said. I could more easily understand people who were right, but who expressed themselves aggressively and insultingly feeling the need to apologise. And like you say, the Pearson-Out stance made sense to a lot of people at the time. We shouldn't overlook the immenseness of the turnaround - this was something not only unrealistic and virtually unforeseeable, but actually unprecedented. City's achievement is great because of how dire things were at one stage; so our current celebrations are largely a consequence of how horribly wrong things looked to have gone, and what a breathtaking feat it required for us to fix them. Not that this takes anything away from Pearson. His record at every level now speaks for itself.
MC Prussian Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 7th best English Premier League manager this season (behind Rodgers, Monk, Hughes, Allardyce, Pardew and Pulis) and probably even higher up the ranks when you consider that he helped shape the club and the squad to a large extent and didn't just simply take over an already finished Premier League article, so to speak.
The Railway Man Posted 18 May 2015 Posted 18 May 2015 We're celebrating survival. Now, rewind time to last June - looking at those fixtures without any results against them: how many were saying that it was the final 8/9 that would decide our fate? Over the course of a season we've been good enough to stay up - the aim of the entire season, no? Does it really matter in what order the points come? Would you seriously argue that he'd have done a better job if we'd been consistently mediocre and these last 19 points were dotted around Nov-April rather than concentrated in April and May? Someone talking some sense here.
Swiss_tony Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 We're celebrating survival. Now, rewind time to last June - looking at those fixtures without any results against them: how many were saying that it was the final 8/9 that would decide our fate? Over the course of a season we've been good enough to stay up - the aim of the entire season, no? Does it really matter in what order the points come? Would you seriously argue that he'd have done a better job if we'd been consistently mediocre and these last 19 points were dotted around Nov-April rather than concentrated in April and May? read my inital post. ecstatic that we stayed up, but he didn't inherit a team at the bottom, he put us there, saw sense, put round pegs in round holes and a miracle happened. i remember people on here saying we were 'unlucky' on that bad run, well you can argue the opposite now that we got 'lucky' in some recent games, burnley away for a start. just asking for perspective on his perceived abilities. he's better than little and adams, and almost at the milne level now in terms of getting a promotion and keeping us up for at least one season. let's hope he gets some more quality in over the summer. Getting huth permanently from stoke would be a big step forward for a start.
Vardinhio Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 Wish I could find my post about fine margins with everyone calling me delluded! Whatever happens Nigel has done wonders for our club. He deserves the trust and support of the fans whatever comes our way.
One Half Wonder Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 i've always backed Pearson, i wanted him to stay in charge even if we went down cus the team were playing for him. My only frustration with him was his stubbornness to change the side when everyone could see Albrighton would make a difference, it took a while for him to realise it. But then, i wanted Morgan out the side too so what do i know. It takes a while for players to adjust to a higher level, it can be safe to say thats exactly the same for managers too.
Babylon Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 I don't see where all this talk of apologising comes from, unless you were booing him, writing letters, yelling abuse etc. I certainly don't feel sorry for holding an opinion which was wrong, not for myself because the fact that it was wrong has made me very, very happy, and not for others because I don't think I was abusive or insulting in anything I said. I could more easily understand people who were right, but who expressed themselves aggressively and insultingly feeling the need to apologise. And like you say, the Pearson-Out stance made sense to a lot of people at the time. We shouldn't overlook the immenseness of the turnaround - this was something not only unrealistic and virtually unforeseeable, but actually unprecedented. City's achievement is great because of how dire things were at one stage; so our current celebrations are largely a consequence of how horribly wrong things looked to have gone, and what a breathtaking feat it required for us to fix them. Not that this takes anything away from Pearson. His record at every level now speaks for itself. I don't think anyone blames people for thinking he couldn't do it, certainly not around Feb / March time. That's pretty understandable and everyone virtually said they they understood the criticism around then.As always those who come in for stick are the ones that have always had the knives out for him. We all know who they are, they were wanting him gone before the season started, then as soon as a few games were lost. The ones quick to criticise and slow to give credit. The ones who call him names and go ridiculously over the top. The ones who apportion all blame to the manager when there are two sides to a story. The ones who said he couldn't get us out of league one, or the championship, or keep us up. The ones who constantly say "we achieved xxxx inspite of Pesrson not because of him". I don't know how many times I read stuff like "it's a disgrace we're below Burnley, he should be sacked for that alone". Every time I'd respond by saying we were behind them for about half a season last year also and look where we ended up. That it's where you finish that matters, not where you are in February. Those are the ones people want to stick two fingers up to.
Strokes Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 7th best English Premier League manager this season (behind Rodgers, Monk, Hughes, Allardyce, Pardew and Pulis) and probably even higher up the ranks when you consider that he helped shape the club and the squad to a large extent and didn't just simply take over an already finished Premier League article, so to speak.Hughes and pulis are welsh, Rodgers is from northern Ireland.
Captain... Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 7th best English Premier League manager this season (behind Rodgers, Monk, Hughes, Allardyce, Pardew and Pulis) and probably even higher up the ranks when you consider that he helped shape the club and the squad to a large extent and didn't just simply take over an already finished Premier League article, so to speak. Rodgers - Irish Pulis - Welsh Hughes - Welsh So that is fourth behind Monk, Pardew and Allardyce who is getting sacked so that would make him third best English manager.
MC Prussian Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 Hughes and pulis are welsh, Rodgers is from northern Ireland. Rodgers - Irish Pulis - Welsh Hughes - Welsh So that is fourth behind Monk, Pardew and Allardyce who is getting sacked so that would make him third best English manager. Argh, got my geography wrong there. Apologies - well, that makes it even more impressive. Can we hand out the Bronze Medal already?
MC Prussian Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 Remember all that silly Coco stuff? Yes, you'll find it on Bentleys Roof.
Manwell Pablo Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 I don't think anyone blames people for thinking he couldn't do it, certainly not around Feb / March time. That's pretty understandable and everyone virtually said they they understood the criticism around then. As always those who come in for stick are the ones that have always had the knives out for him. We all know who they are, they were wanting him gone before the season started, then as soon as a few games were lost. The ones quick to criticise and slow to give credit. The ones who call him names and go ridiculously over the top. The ones who apportion all blame to the manager when there are two sides to a story. The ones who said he couldn't get us out of league one, or the championship, or keep us up. The ones who constantly say "we achieved xxxx inspite of Pesrson not because of him". I don't know how many times I read stuff like "it's a disgrace we're below Burnley, he should be sacked for that alone". Every time I'd respond by saying we were behind them for about half a season last year also and look where we ended up. That it's where you finish that matters, not where you are in February. Those are the ones people want to stick two fingers up to. You do have to give it to inckley he does at least try and think about things instead of posting garbage. Even if he is making a habbit of being consistently wrong.
Hirsty The Blue 94 Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 I said it then and I will repeat it now, it wasn't necessarily the criticism but the virotol and down right disrespect that people were showing the man that was embarrassing. The thing is you know the same twats who are scarcely seen now will be back if we go on any sort of bad run next season.
The Doctor Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 read my inital post. ecstatic that we stayed up, but he didn't inherit a team at the bottom, he put us there, saw sense, put round pegs in round holes and a miracle happened. i remember people on here saying we were 'unlucky' on that bad run, well you can argue the opposite now that we got 'lucky' in some recent games, burnley away for a start. just asking for perspective on his perceived abilities. he's better than little and adams, and almost at the milne level now in terms of getting a promotion and keeping us up for at least one season. let's hope he gets some more quality in over the summer. Getting huth permanently from stoke would be a big step forward for a start. He put us there is simplistic at best, first season back with only really nugent and konchesky having played a season in the division before was going to be a struggle, as was the way the fixture list fell. Look back to when it was announced, people were saying that the run in was exceptionally kind and that if we could stay in touch up to the start of April we'd have a good chance of surviving. This season has been great run (Everton through Man Utd) - poor run (Palace through Spurs) - great run (Hull through villa) - poor run (Stoke through Spurs) - great run (West Ham through to now). That way or consistently mediocre in terms of results, we'd be in the same position, but would you argue that if we'd been average all season and always been 3/4 points clear, he'd have done a better job, despite being in the same position? As for luck in this run, burnley aside there hasn't really been any times we've profited from fortune, but how many times in those poor runs were we done over by poor luck? The face handball at Anfield, vardy being hacked down for a corner at home to Spurs, kram being fouled well inside the box for a free kick at Man City... This good run hasn't seen us even out the bad luck from the middle third of the season.
Corky Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 Pearson should be given credit for doing the job required which is survival. It could and should have been more comfortable but we managed it. There are serious lessons that need to be learned but thankfully we managed the right formula with enough time to spare. It's not the best season or achievement ever but it's a step forward for the club and we can progress without going down a division. We also should be able to keep our best players without too much hassle.
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 Just please ban the same cnuts when they inevitably come back again next time we have a poor run? It's pathetic how they crawl back into their shells as soon as we are doing well again.
Guest MattP Posted 19 May 2015 Posted 19 May 2015 I did Out of interest do you still sing 'Gary Gary Gary Lineker' as loud as you can if anyone around you dares burst into a 'One Nigel Pearson' chant? You know, to show your support for the team?
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