TheUltimateWinner Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 The fact they want a supervisor sounds like to me they're letting Walsh and Shakey run the show with someone with more footballing knowledge to run over them. I don't see anyone agreeing to working like this.
Webbo Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 The whole Hiddink story to me appears to be about a man in desperate need for a final payday, pushed and promoted by his friends and allies (including the press). In many ways reminiscent of the Eriksson saga. He's not taking the job so that theory doesn't hold water.
Stevosevic Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 I'm not against someone unproven. It's pretty clear we're not going to get someone with a great track record and i would rather someone unproven than someone with notable failures on their CV. Worked for Swansea.
TheUltimateWinner Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 What odds can I get on them reappointing Pearson? 100/1 was what I last saw, jump on it.
EnderbyFox Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Yep, 100/1. http://www.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/18051665
Babylon Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Just because we havent appointed some one after a week doesn't mean we didn't have targets, Hiddink was linked with us pretty quickly. Whether people liked that target or not is immaterial. Don't forget one of the reasons Pearson left first time around was because Sousa was sitting in the directors box on his last match. Planning for the future didn't help then. Yes we may have had a list, as I've already said. But, history points to us not planning properly. You seem to be missing the point of scouting managers who will fit in your system and confusing it with a list of 5 managers they have heard of, with completely different styles.
MC Prussian Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Just because we havent appointed some one after a week doesn't mean we didn't have targets, Hiddink was linked with us pretty quickly. Whether people liked that target or not is immaterial. Don't forget one of the reasons Pearson left first time around was because Sousa was sitting in the directors box on his last match. Planning for the future didn't help then. That was a show-off and a bad move by the board of directors (read: the owners) at the time. They could've sealed a deal behind closed doors, without leaking the info to the press or the general audience that way. In any case, announcing a manager as early as possible certainly has its advantages, especially with regards to pre-season. The more weeks are passing by without a man at the top, the less likely it is the team will be able to instill the new footballing philosophy. He's not taking the job so that theory doesn't hold water. Hence my post a bit further down.
Finn Claw II Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 I guess it depends on the expected lifecycle of your coach, in terms of how much scouting you should do of your next manager. As long as it is done openly then it shouldn't affect the current manager in terms of credibility. Well Hiddink isn't just interested in increasing his retirement fund. Or if he is we were not prepared to meet his demands. It's going to be Lennon though isn't it. Get rid of one angry, dour man and get another one in. It's our very own Southampton style consistency...
Finn Claw II Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Yep, 100/1. http://www.skybet.com/football/manager-specials/event/18051665 How is Klopp 5-1? Take Hiddink out and he is second favourite... Lots of city fans betting with their heart methinks
Soar Fox Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Worth a couple of quid. Couple more people turn them down then they won't know what to do.
Vindaloo FOX Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Lennon seems to want the job and also Ranieri , they have not been my first choice , Hiddink was but i say give it to someone who wants the job and lets move on .
Kitchandro Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 sousa came in and wanted to bring a different dimesion to a squad who did not have football minded central defenders at the time, for as much as i loved the morrison hobbs pairing it wasnt ideal for the sousa style so he brought in moreno and vitor who needed time to settle and in the championship you just dont get that time. i admire sousa as a manager but it didnt work for him here with the players he had inherited Well that's one thing but all of a sudden they weren't fit and couldn't defend set-pieces or crosses of any kind either. And it's all very well passing it beautifully in your own half, different story when we actually got in the opposing half. Moreno wasn't even a centre back yet he played him there, one of the many dreadful team selections which made us look relegation fodder.
Webbo Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Obviously it would be better to have a top manager appointed as soon as possible. Life's not that simple though.
4everfox Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Lennon seems to want the job and also Ranieri , they have not been my first choice , Hiddink was but i say give it to someone who wants the job and lets move on . Ranieri out of those two for me.
Gerard Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 A sudden drift on Hiddink and Lennon now favourite. Perhaps it's Lennon with Hiddink overseeing? http://sports.betfai...ex=1&origin=MRL
Bagworthblue Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 A sudden drift on Hiddink and Lennon now favourite. Perhaps it's Lennon with Hiddink overseeing? http://sports.betfai...ex=1&origin=MRL read back a few posts bud - look like Hoodwink has declared himself not interested.
Kitchandro Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Just because we havent appointed some one after a week doesn't mean we didn't have targets, Hiddink was linked with us pretty quickly. Whether people liked that target or not is immaterial. Don't forget one of the reasons Pearson left first time around was because Sousa was sitting in the directors box on his last match. Planning for the future didn't help then. I don't think anyone is suggesting that a potential replacement for the manager IF he happens to leave should be in the directors box for a match involving said manager. That's not planning for the future, that's trying to push a manager out. If you're sacking someone at the time we sacked Pearson you better be damn sure you have a favoured replacement and that this person will join you. As it happens, whatever the process, it's clear we've sacked a manager without a good enough plan to ensure a) we have an upgrade as 1st choice and b) the first choice is interested. That is poor going. It's time people stopped defending the owners no matter how farcical their decisions are.
Webbo Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Yes we may have had a list, as I've already said. But, history points to us not planning properly. You seem to be missing the point of scouting managers who will fit in your system and confusing it with a list of 5 managers they have heard of, with completely different styles. It depends on why you're changing your manager. If Pearson had been sacked in January would you really want a continuity manager?
Rusko187 Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Excellent, now we can move on from him. Personally I do hope we approach Ranieri, nothing against Lennon personally but he does lack the credentials to improve us whereby Ranieri has experience at top clubs.
Gerard Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 read back a few posts bud - look like Hoodwink has declared himself not interested. Ah didn't read, price was stable and I went for a bath and then a significant drift half hour later.
Kitchandro Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Obviously it would be better to have a top manager appointed as soon as possible. Life's not that simple though. 'That's life'. That's a great excuse from what's supposed to be a professional outfit. If you're going to sack a manager in pre-season, when everyone is optimistic, while transfers are being made and just before the players are back for training, you make sure you get a better manager in as soon as possible. No excuses, that's what they need to do.
Gerard Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Excellent, now we can move on from him. Personally I do hope we approach Ranieri, nothing against Lennon personally but he does lack the credentials to improve us whereby Ranieri has experience at top clubs. I don't want a been around the block and done nothing for years aged manager. This is the man we need, if we can't get the German Klopp let's get the French one. http://www.espnfc.co.uk/blog/espn-fc-united-blog/68/post/2291796/jocelyn-gourvennec-guingamps-answer-to-jurgen-klopp
MC Prussian Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 Obviously it would be better to have a top manager appointed as soon as possible. Life's not that simple though. Of course, you're right. But this isn't just "life", it's football, a world following a certain set of rules - and you can overcomplicate it all by not planning ahead early enough. Which to me seems to be the case here.
Kitchandro Posted 8 July 2015 Posted 8 July 2015 It depends on why you're changing your manager. If Pearson had been sacked in January would you really want a continuity manager? We didn't need an overhaul of the club in January, we merely needed someone to say we're going to play our best players and we're going to play positively. The club was still in a strong position, our philosophy for bringing in players was satisfactory, we had a good group of players overall, it was just our style of play on the pitch letting us down. So yes.
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