johnny the fox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Dave Whelan is a Brit. He is not the British state. It's not complicated. You don't think centuries of oppression that only recently ceased warrants a chip?! The aboriginal indian's in the states suffered a holocaust partly at the hands of the irish migrants, that was done in the name of god... nobodies hands are clean...as I said the EIRE didn't cover itself in glory in WW2.... claiming nuetrality as another holocaust took place ....
fleckneymike Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 The aboriginal indian's in the states suffered a holocaust partly at the hands of the irish migrants, that was done in the name of god... nobodies hands are clean...as I said the EIRE didn't cover itself in glory in WW2.... claiming nuetrality as another holocaust took place .... What on earth does that have to do with the current discussion?
johnny the fox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 He wrote a rather nice letter to Mr Whelan explaining his issues with the poppy Dear Mr WhelanI wanted to write to you before talking about this face to face and explain my reasons for not wearing a poppy on my shirt for the game at Bolton. I have complete respect for those who fought and died in both World Wars - many I know were Irish-born. I have been told that your own Grandfather Paddy Whelan, from Tipperary, was one of those. I mourn their deaths like every other decent person and if the Poppy was a symbol only for the lost souls of World War I and II I would wear one. I want to make that 100% clear .You must understand this. But the Poppy is used to remember victims of other conflicts since 1945 and this is where the problem starts for me. For people from the North of Ireland such as myself, and specifically those in Derry, scene of the 1972 Bloody Sunday massacre, the poppy has come to mean something very different. Please understand, Mr Whelan, that when you come from Creggan like myself or the Bogside, Brandywell or the majority of places in Derry, every person still lives in the shadow of one of the darkest days in Ireland’s history – even if like me you were born nearly 20 years after the event. It is just a part of who we are, ingrained into us from birth. Mr Whelan, for me to wear a poppy would be as much a gesture of disrespect for the innocent people who lost their lives in the Troubles – and Bloody Sunday especially - as I have in the past been accused of disrespecting the victims of WWI and WWII. It would be seen as an act of disrespect to those people; to my people. I am not a war monger, or anti-British, or a terrorist or any of the accusations levelled at me in the past. I am a peaceful guy, I believe everyone should live side by side, whatever their religious or political beliefs which I respect and ask for people to respect mine in return. Since last year, I am a father and I want my daughter to grow up in a peaceful world, like any parent. I am very proud of where I come from and I just cannot do something that I believe is wrong. In life, if you’re a man you should stand up for what you believe in. I know you may not agree with my feelings but I hope very much that you understand my reasons. As the owner of the club I am proud to play for, I believe I owe both you and the club’s supporters this explanation. Yours sincerely, James McClean Me thinks he protest too much..
ChrisFilter Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Me thinks he protest too much.. He probably felt he had to, in the face of dealing with ignorance such as that which you keep displaying.
johnny the fox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 What on earth does that have to do with the current discussion? there is culture of "victimism" that is prevalent in all this.. some people need to get over it... or it ends up in rioting and killing over a three hundred years of history..like it did in the north last week. perhaps the west brom fans should turn their backs on this twat over the birmingham pub bombings?...no.. . move on all..
johnny the fox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 He probably felt he had to, in the face of dealing with ignorance such as that which you keep displaying. He probably felt he had to, in the face of dealing with ignorance such as that which you keep displaying. As I already pointed out.. personal abuse is the last card played by somebody who has no decent argument..
ChrisFilter Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 As I already pointed out.. personal abuse is the last card played by somebody who has no decent argument.. Highlighting your ignorance isn't personal abuse.
Stadt Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I understand his reasons and stuff but not turning your back on the anthem doesn't mean that you're pro-Britain
Stevosevic Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11750741/James-McCleans-snub-to-Englands-flag-was-disgraceful-if-he-hates-it-so-much-he-should-leave-the-Premier-League.html
johnny the fox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Highlighting your ignorance isn't personal abuse. I bet he will turn his back on the Chelsea pensioners when plays at the bridge then.... pathetic ..... none more ignorant than the fool with a closed mind..
ChrisFilter Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11750741/James-McCleans-snub-to-Englands-flag-was-disgraceful-if-he-hates-it-so-much-he-should-leave-the-Premier-League.html About what you'd expect from the Telegraph. The only notable thing is how balanced the responses to the poll at the bottom are, given the readership.
howlinmadmurfdoc Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I think the whole point of this being released was to make out he's took a giant dump on England as a country, the way it's doing the rounds on Facebook and whipping up all of the "all them Muslamics will blow you up, Andeh Murreh hates England cos e didn't want us to win the World Cup so he's a dirty Scottish willy puller, no surrender to the ira " knuckledraggers into a frenzy, it's a complete nothing story being made into a big deal.
ChrisFilter Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I think the whole point of this being released was to make out he's took a giant dump on England as a country, the way it's doing the rounds on Facebook and whipping up all of the "all them Muslamics will blow you up, Andeh Murreh hates England cos e didn't want us to win the World Cup so he's a dirty Scottish willy puller, no surrender to the it's" knuckledraggers into a frenzy, it's a complete nothing story being made into a big deal. Ha!
Fox92 Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 http://www.telegraph.co.uk/sport/football/teams/west-bromwich-albion/11750741/James-McCleans-snub-to-Englands-flag-was-disgraceful-if-he-hates-it-so-much-he-should-leave-the-Premier-League.html This is what I don't understand. Why doesn't he leave if he hates certain aspects so much. I guess he's happy taking the money.
ChrisFilter Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 This is what I don't understand. Why doesn't he leave if he hates certain aspects so much. I guess he's happy taking the money. Read the thread.
Danno Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 What i don't understand is why the request for a invisible deity to save the old Nazi leech was played in a pre season friendly anyway.
Captain... Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Personally I believe in the right to freedom of thought and opinion, I also believe in the right to peaceful protest and expression of such opinions, so I do not condemn him for his actions, in this country, that he hates so much, he is free to protest and disagree as much as he wants. I also think he deserves the chance to explain himself, and why he didn't face the flag, yet had no problem doing so when the republic of Ireland played England, it may be that it was being played for him in the US, rather than being played for the opposition. Maybe he just thought it was such a stupid and crass thing to play for a team that is probably about 1/3 English. I don't know, but he is free to express his opinion, and will have to deal with the consequences, if nothing else comes from it, it has reopened the debate, whether it needed to be dragged up all over again I don't know.
Nalis Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 As a Catholic born and bred in Northern Ireland, I have some comments: 1 - First of all, why play national anthems at a club match? Bit ridiculous seeing how multinational Premier League teams are these days. 2 - Completely understand McLean's views regarding the British and British forces considering the death of his uncle. 3 - What I don't understand is McLean's attitude to the UK whilst working and living in the UK considering he is such self proclaimed 'rebel'? He could of course manufacture a move to Scotland though one would wonder what wages would be like in comparison to the top 2 leagues in England... 4 - If he is such a hardline republican and not such a self obsessed, attention seeking tw@t, why doesnt he make the move abroad? Learning a new language and experiencing a new culture too much effort compared to playing football in the comfort zone of England eh James? Last time I checked football wasnt limited to the British Isles. 5- The letter referenced and quoted throughout this topic to Dave Whelan - do you really think he articulated that? 6 - He's worse than shite, must have the best agent in the world to engineer that move.
fleckneymike Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 What i don't understand is why the request for a invisible deity to save the old Nazi leech was played in a pre season friendly anyway.
Samilktray Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 They did the national anthem in a pre season friendly wtf
johnny the fox Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 As a Catholic born and bred in Northern Ireland, I have some comments: 1 - First of all, why play national anthems at a club match? Bit ridiculous seeing how multinational Premier League teams are these days. 2 - Completely understand McLean's views regarding the British and British forces considering the death of his uncle. 3 - What I don't understand is McLean's attitude to the UK whilst working and living in the UK considering he is such self proclaimed 'rebel'? He could of course manufacture a move to Scotland though one would wonder what wages would be like in comparison to the top 2 leagues in England... 4 - If he is such a hardline republican and not such a self obsessed, attention seeking tw@t, why doesnt he make the move abroad? Learning a new language and experiencing a new culture too much effort compared to playing football in the comfort zone of England eh James? Last time I checked football wasnt limited to the British Isles. 5- The letter referenced and quoted throughout this topic to Dave Whelan - do you really think he articulated that? 6 - He's worse than shite, must have the best agent in the world to engineer that move. There are lots of things wrong with this country...no argument, we have a very chequered history no doubt, but if it wasn't for this country standing up to tyranny more than once in the past....there would be no free speech forum for twats to spout shight on here or anywhere else.. McLean is free to be a cant ..he should thank his god he has that right every night... Iv'e been all over...this is still the best country in the world to live in bar none..
BlueSi13 Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Because England is/was where the oppression was coming from within Britain - the two are interchangeable in this debate. I'd imagine the Scottish and Welsh would side with the Irish every time. Apart from Scottish Protestants, I suppose. Ahh so there it is, disgusting xenophobia and Anglophobia at its finest and most ignorant. All English (British) people = oppressors and blood-thirsty murderers All Scots, Welsh and Irish = oppressed and murdered good guy romantics. Because of course it was only the nasty nasty English that benefited from age of Empire. Unlike you I actually have Irish blood in me through my Irish mother. I am also a Catholic and to be honest I have found some of your comments both cringeworthy and embarrassing. What James McClean has done here is expose himself (again) for the amazing hypocrite that he is, whilst succeeding in reopening some very dark wounds for many people at a time we are luckily beginning to move forward by leaving the past where it belongs.
ChrisFilter Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Ahh so there it is, disgusting xenophobia and Anglophobia at its finest and most ignorant. All English (British) people = oppressors and blood-thirsty murderers All Scots, Welsh and Irish = oppressed and murdered good guy romantics. Because of course it was only the nasty nasty English that benefited from age of Empire. Unlike you I actually have Irish blood in me through my Irish mother. I am also a Catholic and to be honest I have found some of your comments both cringeworthy and embarrassing. What James McClean has done here is expose himself (again) for the amazing hypocrite that he is, whilst succeeding in reopening some very dark wounds for many people at a time we are luckily beginning to move forward by leaving the past where it belongs. Where on earth have I said any of that stuff?! Lunatic.
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