Mark_w Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 All English (British) people = oppressors and blood-thirsty murderers I missed the bit where anyone said that?
leicsmac Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 I missed the bit where anyone said that? It's a classical strawman.
Guest ttfn Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 As a Catholic born and bred in Northern Ireland, I have some comments: 1 - First of all, why play national anthems at a club match? Bit ridiculous seeing how multinational Premier League teams are these days. 2 - Completely understand McLean's views regarding the British and British forces considering the death of his uncle. 3 - What I don't understand is McLean's attitude to the UK whilst working and living in the UK considering he is such self proclaimed 'rebel'? He could of course manufacture a move to Scotland though one would wonder what wages would be like in comparison to the top 2 leagues in England... 4 - If he is such a hardline republican and not such a self obsessed, attention seeking tw@t, why doesnt he make the move abroad? Learning a new language and experiencing a new culture too much effort compared to playing football in the comfort zone of England eh James? Last time I checked football wasnt limited to the British Isles. 5- The letter referenced and quoted throughout this topic to Dave Whelan - do you really think he articulated that? 6 - He's worse than shite, must have the best agent in the world to engineer that move. Agree with all of this.
DEMANN Posted 20 July 2015 Author Posted 20 July 2015 What i don't understand is why the request for a invisible deity to save the old Nazi leech was played in a pre season friendly anyway.Errrr!
Bamba's Babes Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 As a Catholic born and bred in Northern Ireland, I have some comments: 1 - First of all, why play national anthems at a club match? Bit ridiculous seeing how multinational Premier League teams are these days. 2 - Completely understand McLean's views regarding the British and British forces considering the death of his uncle. 3 - What I don't understand is McLean's attitude to the UK whilst working and living in the UK considering he is such self proclaimed 'rebel'? He could of course manufacture a move to Scotland though one would wonder what wages would be like in comparison to the top 2 leagues in England... 4 - If he is such a hardline republican and not such a self obsessed, attention seeking tw@t, why doesnt he make the move abroad? Learning a new language and experiencing a new culture too much effort compared to playing football in the comfort zone of England eh James? Last time I checked football wasnt limited to the British Isles. 5- The letter referenced and quoted throughout this topic to Dave Whelan - do you really think he articulated that? 6 - He's worse than shite, must have the best agent in the world to engineer that move. Someone is upset he picked the Republic over Northern Ireland... Someone who stands up for what they believe in, regardless of the consequences? Yeahhh, lets berate him, follow the norm James and conform with the rest of society!! This feckin country!
enmac Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 Never understood the importance behind a national anthem. What's the point in them?100% agreement. To prepare us plebs( cannon fodder) for the next war?
enmac Posted 20 July 2015 Posted 20 July 2015 How about an "International Anthem", where both teams/all competetors sing the same anthem? I know it's a small step, but it's a start. Even if it delays the next conflict by 5 minutes it might be worth it. Sent from my BNTV600 using Tapatalk
enmac Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 My anectdote: On a radio phone-in a caller asked a Spanish football expert- Why do none of the Spanish team sing their national anthem? Answer- their anthem has no words. Reason I assume is history. Sent from my BNTV600 using Tapatalk
Nalis Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Someone is upset he picked the Republic over Northern Ireland... Someone who stands up for what they believe in, regardless of the consequences? Yeahhh, lets berate him, follow the norm James and conform with the rest of society!! This feckin country! Darren Gibson has done the same and thats abaolutely fine. Think you are missing my point, I understand his grievances however if he feels so strongly about it then dont play your club football in a country where you are likely to have to be respectful to certain things you have no intention of respecting (national anthem / remembrance day).
Webbo Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 100% agreement. To prepare us plebs( cannon fodder) for the next war? Yeah, because you're in real danger of being conscripted into the army.
Guest MattP Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 Yeah, because you're in real danger of being conscripted into the army. The bggest army this nation has now is a tin foil hat one.
indierich06 Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 I'm proud to live in a country where people are free to hold whatever beliefs they choose, follow any religion they please and express themselves however they like without fear of reprisals. These freedoms are what make this country great. I think we're all thick skinned enough and mature enough to accept that not everyone is going to like us - they never have, they never will. Thankfully, McLean lives and works in a country where he has the freedom to express his opinions about the British government, however unsavoury you may find those opinions. The day we end those freedoms is the day we cease to be Great Britain IMO. I might not particularly like McLean's actions but I do understand them, and I also think a lot of the faux outrage and hand-wringing from people over essentially turning away during a song and not wanting to wear a poppy is just embarassing - it's not like he's defacing war memorials, or being abusive, or anything like that. He's just quietly standing by his beliefs. Also - the paralells between Ireland/Britain and Britain/Germany are lauaghable too. When did Germany ever occupy Great Britain? And are you telling me that if Germany *had* invaded and occupied Great Britain, that there wouldn't have been defiance from the British? Could you ever imagine a British man saluting a nazi flag, or singing the German national anthem? No, of course you couldn't. And if there was a scenario where Britian was German-occupied, people defying the occupiers would be lauded and praised.
indierich06 Posted 21 July 2015 Posted 21 July 2015 3 - What I don't understand is McLean's attitude to the UK whilst working and living in the UK considering he is such self proclaimed 'rebel'? He could of course manufacture a move to Scotland though one would wonder what wages would be like in comparison to the top 2 leagues in England... 4 - If he is such a hardline republican and not such a self obsessed, attention seeking tw@t, why doesnt he make the move abroad? Learning a new language and experiencing a new culture too much effort compared to playing football in the comfort zone of England eh James? Last time I checked football wasnt limited to the British Isles. I don't get these people saying that he's hardline, or that he's a rebel. These are small acts that are merely in keeping with his personal beliefs. There's nothing offensive, or rebellious about turning away during a national anthem, or not wanting to wear a poppy in my opinion - all the faux offense and outcry comes afterwards, from people who can't accept his beliefs or can't be bothered to understand them. Even that outrage about him tweeting about some Irish rebel folk song is just pathetic. I personally don't see how anything he's done makes him remotely hardline, or rebellious, or why it should even really be talked about. As I've said before, he's not defacing monuments, he's not openly supporting the IRA or anything like that, he's just quietly sticking to what he believes in. I'd have less respect for him if he bowed to the pressure and stopped doing what he thinks is right.
Guest MattP Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 I don't get these people saying that he's hardline, or that he's a rebel. These are small acts that are merely in keeping with his personal beliefs. Refusing to wear a poppy I can understand totally as a belief but a deliberate attempt to show disrespect to an anthem and flag is very different, I'd feel the same if a British soldier also made such a deliberate show of disrespect to the tricolor or the Irish national anthem. I know someone mentioned the royals earlier but it's actually a decent comparison of where two people are, Prince Charles is in exactly the same position as McClean, he lost a loved uncle to the troubles and has now put himself in a position where he is not only prepared to talk about peace but even manage to shake hands with the man who ordered the assasination to show how he has now moved on and how we are entering a new era of peacce between the two countries. Maclean is a young man and I'm sure in twenty years time he'll see what he did here as very immature and silly, but I don't think his actions should really be defended in any way though here as it's reeks of someone who wants to go back to a very troubled past the vast majority have moved on from.
indierich06 Posted 22 July 2015 Posted 22 July 2015 Refusing to wear a poppy I can understand totally as a belief but a deliberate attempt to show disrespect to an anthem and flag is very different, I'd feel the same if a British soldier also made such a deliberate show of disrespect to the tricolor or the Irish national anthem. I know someone mentioned the royals earlier but it's actually a decent comparison of where two people are, Prince Charles is in exactly the same position as McClean, he lost a loved uncle to the troubles and has now put himself in a position where he is not only prepared to talk about peace but even manage to shake hands with the man who ordered the assasination to show how he has now moved on and how we are entering a new era of peacce between the two countries. Maclean is a young man and I'm sure in twenty years time he'll see what he did here as very immature and silly, but I don't think his actions should really be defended in any way though here as it's reeks of someone who wants to go back to a very troubled past the vast majority have moved on from. He's not Prince Charles though, is he? Prince Charles' position means people look to him to be above all of this kind of thing, to be better than your average man on the street - and that's what James McLean is, just an average guy, from an area where it is drilled into you at an early age that showing any kind of respect to the people who are responsible for the deaths of members of your family and community is wrong. He just happens to have a bit of profile because he plays for a professional football club. I just really don't understand what's disrespectful about turning away from a flag and bowing your head. It's about the most passive form of protest possible. It's not his flag or his anthem - who is he actually hurting? I'd just love to know who it's offending and why.
fleckneymike Posted 24 July 2015 Posted 24 July 2015 Interesting piece on Kirk Broadfoot's ban (and what you aren't being told if you live in Scotland) http://www.theguardian.com/media/greenslade/2015/jul/24/daily-record-sanitises-story-of-player-banned-for-sectarian-tirade?CMP=share_btn_tw
Nalis Posted 17 October 2015 Posted 17 October 2015 James McLean showing his class yet again today according to SSN. C U N T.
ScouseFox Posted 17 October 2015 Posted 17 October 2015 what a complete good for nothing shit at football horrible c unt
Mrfox452 Posted 17 October 2015 Posted 17 October 2015 What's he done? Made some sort of "gesture" towards the sunderland fans at the end of the game. Not clear what he did, but here is a vid. http://www.skysports.com/watch/video/10032492/mcclean-clashes-with-graham
filbertway Posted 17 October 2015 Posted 17 October 2015 This isn't it is it? James McClean stirred up ill-feeling both on and off the pitch when he celebrated by fist-pumping in the direction of the Sunderland fans who had barracked him all match. Sunderland sub Danny Graham confronted the controversial Irishman, a former Black Cat, before a number of players from both sides piled in to push and shove. The incident was quickly quelled, but it was the latest in a line of crazy moments involving the hot-headed West Bromwich Albion winger. "Crazy" behaviour from the lad, celebrating and rubbing it in to a bunch of fans that had given him stick all game? Give me a break.
Wymsey Posted 17 October 2015 Posted 17 October 2015 Seemed as if he was punching up to the air towards them, but quite unclear.
Father Ted Posted 17 October 2015 Posted 17 October 2015 Nowt wrong with that at all. Probably had all sorts of abuse from the Sunderland fans, fair game I say. Well in, and fair play to Danny Graham too.
kingfox Posted 17 October 2015 Posted 17 October 2015 The most punchable face in Football, total arsehole & shit footballer.
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