Guest Col city fan Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 16 minutes ago, Babylon said: Did we not finished above Cattermoles team? I must have now said five times I was wrong about Cattermole! He was probably the first name that came into my head and how I've rued the day......!
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 10 minutes ago, Babylon said: They blamed defence the season before last because they were fecking shit. There is a very good reason Schlupp no longer players at left back, Konch got let go, De Laet is on the transfer list with Moore, Upson got bombed out and Was never plays. You talk about bigger picture and basically then try and lay the blame squarely on Cambiasso to try and prove a point. We were better at the back because we put in better defenders and asked them to defend, as well as changing our defensive system in front of them and how we attacked. Of course Kante is a big loss, he's amazing at ball recovery and things will be a bit harder. But that doesn't excuse not actually laying the blame where it should lie if a defender hasn't done his job... every goal last night can be attributed to poor defending. Kante or no Kante, there were some basic errors. The point I'm making obviously is that we didn't defend well as a team. At one stage in the season we'd conceded nearly the most goals across all four divisions. That was with Morgan ever present, Kasper ever present and DeLaet being FAVOURED over Simpson This changed with Huth and the formation change. Huth built up the confidence of the back four, the midfield weren't as overrun and we improved dramatically. You mention Schlupp who, when employed as a wing back, was superb in the last 7 games or so. Kante then enabled us to even continue enjoying this success in a 4-4-2. I choose to see defending as a TEAM game. You and others blame the back four and imply that changes to the defence, almost exclusively, solved the problems. I don't. It's of no surprise to me that the defence last season (even when we played 4-4-2) made very few unforced errors. They were shielded by a much better midfield than we had the season before.
AKCJ Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 Personally think we'd have won the league with Cambiasso in place of Drinkwater anyway. They're both that good.
Thracian Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 Some of the goals we've conceded pre-season have been juvenile. The reason that may be connected to Kante is that he might well have prevented those attacks developing, therefore our defensive back-line frailties wouldn't have been exposed. I said we had a major weakness last season and the first mistake by Simpson against Barcelona highlighted it, as did another of the Barcelona goals when there was a stepover, because that exactly illustrated the weakness being fully exploited. Anyone attacking the space around Simpson and having a dummy runner attack a low pass into the box leaves us painfully exposed but Barcelona are the only side I've noticed exploit it so the problem's exposed now and doesn't need to remain hidden. Kante - a man so good at filling spaces - was a partial antidote - but not now and at top level we really need to be mobile enough to close space quickly, not eventually. With brave but mobile defenders you don't need insurance so desperately but, Fuchs excepted, our defenders last season were brave enough, no question, but strong, rugged guys and they so needed someone like Kante to help counter the constant bobbing and weaving of attackers. We really have to find a replacement for Kante if we're going to keep winning things. Or an alternative, but equally effective, system.
Babylon Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 8 minutes ago, Col city fan said: The point I'm making obviously is that we didn't defend well as a team. At one stage in the season we'd conceded nearly the most goals across all four divisions. That was with Morgan ever present, Kasper ever present and DeLaet being FAVOURED over Simpson So basically we have two players in the back 5 still there. Whether he was favoured or not doesn't matter, he's proven to be a worse defender. Hence once again getting dropped this season after be got battered by 5 against Arsenal with Kante in the team. 8 minutes ago, Col city fan said: I choose to see defending as a TEAM game. You and others blame the back four and imply that changes to the defence, almost exclusively, solved the problems. I don't. It's of no surprise to me that the defence last season (even when we played 4-4-2) made very few unforced errors. They were shielded by a much better midfield than we had the season before. Have you actually read my post, I suggested nothing of the sort. I quite clearly stated multiple reasons for the improvement, with Kante being one part of it. You on the other hand seem to be stating exclusively it was down to him and pay no attention to all the other changes. The goals yesterday weren't even forced errors, they were people half asleep not doing their job. They weren't under masses of pressure for the goals, for pretty much each goal the ball was passed a good 30/40 yards+ to a player not being marked. That was sod all about screening them they weren't awake to the danger.
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 6 minutes ago, Babylon said: So basically we have two players in the back 5 still there. Whether he was favoured or not doesn't matter, he's proven to be a worse defender. Hence once again getting dropped this season after be got battered by 5 against Arsenal with Kante in the team. Have you actually read my post, I suggested nothing of the sort. I quite clearly stated multiple reasons for the improvement, with Kante being one part of it. You on the other hand seem to be stating exclusively it was down to him and pay no attention to all the other changes. The goals yesterday weren't even forced errors, they were people half asleep not doing their job. They weren't under masses of pressure for the goals, for pretty much each goal the ball was passed a good 30/40 yards+ to a player not being marked. That was sod all about screening them they weren't awake to the danger. You've lost me here...how on earth does "the introduction of Huth and the formation change" equate to 'paying no attention to all the other changes'? I even mentioned Schlupp as a wing back! I don't know how to do the multi-post thing, so had to do it this way..lol I sometimes feel that you are trying so hard to argue that 'Col lays all the blame at the feet of Cambiasso' that what I'm ACTUALLY arguing gets lost in translation. Simply.....1. the formation change and Huth enabled Cambiasso to shine, as it did Schlupp and all the others in the end. 2. Kante was so good at what he does that we even got to play 'our way' in a 4-4-2 3. I hope we continue to defend well as a unit and don't go back to conceding sloppy goals.
Babylon Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 4 minutes ago, Col city fan said: You've lost me here...how on earth does "the introduction of Huth and the formation change" equate to 'paying no attention to all the other changes'? You said 5 minutes ago people were wrong to blame the back four season before last, and previously you've consistently pumped out the reasoning that this was due to Cambiasso, you can't deny that. You cannot exonerate the defence like that and say people were wrong to moan at them. Do you really think is we played Moore, Konch, and De Laet with Wes and Kasper this season in a 4-4-2 with Kante we'd have been anywhere near as good? Those that have gone were poor defenders, I'm sure they did make mistakes sometimes from over loading and not getting good cover. But they also made them because they are all sub standard players. Another massive change to our defensive system was Claudio constantly being on at them to close the space, get compressed and tight. Under Pearson we were forever open, even in the championship teams could walk through us. Combine that with shit defenders and yes, someone who doesn't have the legs he once did and it will spell trouble. But don't say people were wrong to blame they defence, they were bloody awful.
harpendenfox Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 It was an absolute pleasure exchanging views with fellow Foxes in Stockholm for 48 hours. Can't wait for the Champions League draw and the chance to plot further trips.
Countryfox Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 7 hours ago, BrummieFOX said: Another central midfielder, central defender and possibly another striker and I'm delighted with our squad. Yep I'd agree with that. Keane, Slimani and a 'big name marque signing midfielder' would do nicely ... Simpson looked a bit suss but the jury is out.
Countryfox Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 4 hours ago, AKCJ said: Personally think we'd have won the league with Cambiasso in place of Drinkwater anyway. They're both that good. Sorry mate I really think DD is, (for this team,) streets ahead. Him and Kante were the best central midfield in the prem by a country fox mile.
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 1 hour ago, Countryfox said: Yep I'd agree with that. Keane, Slimani and a 'big name marque signing midfielder' would do nicely ... Simpson looked a bit suss but the jury is out. Sounds good...
Guest Col city fan Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 1 hour ago, Countryfox said: Sorry mate I really think DD is, (for this team,) streets ahead. Him and Kante were the best central midfield in the prem by a country fox mile. Mate, he's on the wind up. Don't fall for it.
limeydale Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 I for one am really disappointed in this preseason. You've lost no one this season and all your squad is intact. I expected all you naysayers, doubters, knobends, bellends disgruntled, Whiny fans to be on your game by now. If this is the best you can do then you're in for a dire season. Think we need to bring in some real expert naysayers, doubters, knobends, bellends disgruntled, Whiny fans from the arse, spuds, chelshit forums to shore you lot up and show you how it's really done.
MC Prussian Posted 4 August 2016 Posted 4 August 2016 We've just faced one of the best teams on the planet after a very short recovery period, following a half around-the-world trip from LA to Stockholm. Immediate jetlag comes into play, plus showing up with a somewhat shuffled starting XI, and Kapustka had his first outing in a Leicester shirt. Style-wise, I like the way we're set up. There was desire, there was commitment, there was joy and a lot of effort. I think it'll still take a little while until it really clicks, but once we've got Musa and Vardy up front, Mahrez staying and complemented by Albrighton/Kapustka on the left, with a near-impeccable Drinkwater and Mendy (or King) in the middle, we'll be part of yet another great season. Possibly not as great as the last one, but close. Our defense looks rather composed, too. Took Hernandez little time to settle in, I really liked his display against Barcelona, didn't put a foot wrong and had great anticipation and distribution. Huth has some decent competition there now. At least him and Wasilewski act as competent back-ups. As for our goalkeepers, I wonder how it's going to work out with Schmeichel and Zieler. Will Ranieri give both equal playing time this coming season? Will one feature in domestic competitions and the other on the European stage?
BlueSi13 Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona. Shows how you should NEVER pay any attention to results in pre-season!
MattCan Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 Liverpool 4-0 Barcelona: Good for the morale of ... Leicester City.
Guest Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 Klopp has decided to copy Leicester and play a very high tempo, pressing game. The differeence today was that Barça missed their chances and Liverpool put theirs in, just the opposite to our game first half. Pre-season is pre-season.
norwichfox Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 4 minutes ago, FIF said: Klopp has decided to copy Leicester and play a very high tempo, pressing game. My thoughts too, I suspect "our way" will be the tactics of a few teams for the coming season. I just hope we've spent outr training sessions working out the best ways to defend against it.
brucey Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 Speaking after the game, Jurgen Klopp revealed that Milner had suffered a heel problem, and would require a scan to determine his time on the sidelines. “Milly didn’t look too good,” he told reporters. “Something with the heel, we have to have a scan then we’ll know more, but of course it wouldn’t be too good.” Liverpool may have picked up an injury in that Barca game........ Much rather be battered but injury free!
FireFox Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 31 minutes ago, FIF said: Klopp has decided to copy Leicester and play a very high tempo, pressing game. The differeence today was that Barça missed their chances and Liverpool put theirs in, just the opposite to our game first half. Pre-season is pre-season. Hardly copying Leicester, that's his style... unless he's switched to more of soaking up pressure and counter attacking, rather than having a strong focus on the high press.
Great Boos Up Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 Either way you want to read it Barcelona do not like losing 4-0. I feel Liverpool will flex their muscles this season. Another team to finish above Chelsea.
The whole world smiles Posted 6 August 2016 Posted 6 August 2016 1 hour ago, FIF said: Klopp has decided to copy Leicester and play a very high tempo, pressing game. The differeence today was that Barça missed their chances and Liverpool put theirs in, just the opposite to our game first half. Pre-season is pre-season. You didn't watch his Dortmund teams much then?
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