davieG Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Another nail in the coffin of the introduction of Rail Seating in England. This mindless violence is why everyone has to sit. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37783810
The Railway Man Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 They were sitting last night and we had violence The stadium simply isn't fit to segregate fans, you can't have them looking at each other and standing next to each other in the concourses, it's just never going to work. You can see it on the right hand side of this picture.
Voll Blau Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Nothing to do with safe standing at all. In fact, had the stadium been better designed for football with specific areas for 'livelier' fans borne in mind then incidents like this would be fewer and farther between. As it is, West Ham are reaping what they've sewn at the moment for their naive attempt to turn their club and its fans into Arsenal - ignoring the needs of their traditional support in the process.
davieG Posted 27 October 2016 Author Posted 27 October 2016 30 minutes ago, The Railway Man said: They were sitting last night and we had violence The stadium simply isn't fit to segregate fans, you can't have them looking at each other and standing next to each other in the concourses, it's just never going to work. You can see it on the right hand side of this picture. For those against rail seating logic isn't part of their thinking they'll just see violence & football and that will be enough to confirm their already blinkered view.
Ollie93 Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Annoys me how on talksport this morning, they're saying "how can rugby fans sit next to each other at games etc". I think the territorial-ness of football supports creates a better atmosphere. I'm not condoning chair throwing or violence btw.
purpleronnie Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Rumours that West Ham and Chelsea firms agreed to meet a mile away from the match, unfortunately this was still in the stadium.
David Guiza Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 19 minutes ago, Ollie93 said: Annoys me how on talksport this morning, they're saying "how can rugby fans sit next to each other at games etc". I think the territorial-ness of football supports creates a better atmosphere. I'm not condoning chair throwing or violence btw. I see where you're coming from, but it is still possible to have an intense and passionate rivalry without the need crossing that line. Just look at our Porto and Copenhagen games for example, the atmosphere, particularly for the Porto game, was exceptional but there were no arrests that i'm aware of, nor people getting a chair thrown at their head. I just think of those who get arrested trying to justify it to their partners/families etc. "Oh, you see I had to fight him because he supports West Ham and I support Chelsea". The problem with West Ham's new ground, as alluded to above, is the lack of segregation. It was built to house the Olympics, comprising of events which do not require parts of the stadium to be separated from other parts. There was talk about this happening long before last night, after the Watford and Bournemouth games there were incidents I believe, so adding a night game and the opposition of Chelsea was asking for trouble. How they've got this far without intervention, in the so called 'PC Bridgade' age that we live in, is a real surprise.
Ollie93 Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 45 minutes ago, David Guiza said: I see where you're coming from, but it is still possible to have an intense and passionate rivalry without the need crossing that line. Just look at our Porto and Copenhagen games for example, the atmosphere, particularly for the Porto game, was exceptional but there were no arrests that i'm aware of, nor people getting a chair thrown at their head. I just think of those who get arrested trying to justify it to their partners/families etc. "Oh, you see I had to fight him because he supports West Ham and I support Chelsea". The problem with West Ham's new ground, as alluded to above, is the lack of segregation. It was built to house the Olympics, comprising of events which do not require parts of the stadium to be separated from other parts. There was talk about this happening long before last night, after the Watford and Bournemouth games there were incidents I believe, so adding a night game and the opposition of Chelsea was asking for trouble. How they've got this far without intervention, in the so called 'PC Bridgade' age that we live in, is a real surprise. I completely agree. I have read somewhere that the met police refused to police inside the stadium because of "poor radio signal" inside. Madness.
Kitchandro Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 2 hours ago, davieG said: Another nail in the coffin of the introduction of Rail Seating in England. This mindless violence is why everyone has to sit. http://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/37783810 1. What's it got to do with rail seating? This is the most modern, sterile ground in England and is an all seater. 2. How will pissing fans off more (by denying them an opportunity to stand) help the situation?
Finnegan Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 2 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: 1. What's it got to do with rail seating? This is the most modern, sterile ground in England and is an all seater. 2. How will pissing fans off more (by denying them an opportunity to stand) help the situation? Sometimes I wonder whether or not you're deliberately stupid just to get in to arguments. Mostly I just conclude you're thick.
davieG Posted 27 October 2016 Author Posted 27 October 2016 1 hour ago, davieG said: For those against rail seating logic isn't part of their thinking they'll just see violence & football and that will be enough to confirm their already blinkered view. 4 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: 1. What's it got to do with rail seating? This is the most modern, sterile ground in England and is an all seater. 2. How will pissing fans off more (by denying them an opportunity to stand) help the situation?
Fox92 Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 There will always be fighting regardless of whether people stand or sit. Territory, passion - whatever you want to call it. Not condoning, mind but people are naive if they don't expect these sort of scenes. It's Villa/Birmingham at the weekend and it'll probably be the same.
Finnegan Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 1 minute ago, Fox92 said: There will always be fighting regardless of whether people stand or sit. Territory, passion - whatever you want to call it. Not condoning, mind but people are naive if they don't expect these sort of scenes. It's Villa/Birmingham at the weekend and it'll probably be the same. Not inside the ground. There hasn't really been proper fighting in the grounds for years because segregation is taken very seriously. There will be almost no fighting in the ground at Villa Brum. The problem is the Olympic stadium wasn't built with segregation in mind and they've made a dreadful attempt at altering it. The warning signs have been there for weeks, it was just waiting for West Ham to host one of their local rivals to properly kick off. Lo and behold.
Leicesterpool Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 There's little can be done to prevent this, lets face it the individuals involved aren't football fans if you look at the photographs none are wearing colours. They probably haven't got any interest in the football at all. They just turn up knowing there's likely going to be trouble. Back to the trouble last night, as some have mentioned the stadium wasn't designed for segregation. With Villa and Blues derby on sunday, I fear trouble might happen especially if they run on the pitch afterwards like last time.
yorkie1999 Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Surely its not that hard to segregate the fans in the stadium, all they've got to do is have a perspex floor to ceiling barrier. One thing that i have noticed, i don't know whether its because they're in the news more, but the majority of current football violence etc. seems to be coming from London based clubs.
AndWhat? Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 1 hour ago, Leicesterpool said: There's little can be done to prevent this, lets face it the individuals involved aren't football fans if you look at the photographs none are wearing colours. They probably haven't got any interest in the football at all. They just turn up knowing there's likely going to be trouble. Back to the trouble last night, as some have mentioned the stadium wasn't designed for segregation. With Villa and Blues derby on sunday, I fear trouble might happen especially if they run on the pitch afterwards like last time.
CosbehFox Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Apparently it was absolutely chaotic post-match outside of the ground. Basically the Olympic Park was just a free for all - no police, just blokes swinging punches at each other and no deterrent at all. If you go to a lot of football stadiums abroad, they have those 'parks' there but they are well managed in terms of transport.
Steven Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 The Saintly Theresa May wants to take us back to the 1950's so travelling back to 70's style hooliganism is only part of the journey. Personally I can't wait until we reach the 60's.
Voll Blau Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 32 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: Surely its not that hard to segregate the fans in the stadium, all they've got to do is have a perspex floor to ceiling barrier. One thing that i have noticed, i don't know whether its because they're in the news more, but the majority of current football violence etc. seems to be coming from London based clubs. Probably something to do with it. Little scraps occur at grounds and in their proximity (including at Leicester) all the time but it's unreported. Every West Ham home game is under the media spotlight at the moment because of the trouble they've had at the new ground. Seems literally every incident/argument/ejection has been picked up on, though this is obviously the most high profile and violent to date.
RoboFox Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 West Ham are "investigating" after these flyers were handed out amongst fans pre-Chelsea match (censored version below). Not only are they incredibly homophobic and offensive, but the standard of songwriting leaves a lot to be desired.
Voll Blau Posted 27 October 2016 Posted 27 October 2016 Yeah that's pretty much the worst song in the history of bad songs.
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