Kapustka

[Wymsey]

Starting to see Musa in particular improving, he seems more hungry and stronger. Can see him being a dangerous first-teamer imo, but just needs a little more time.

 

Don't know the full facts but if Kaputska seems like turning his nose up in a reserve game and refusing to play, his attitude doesn't suit the team's values and should really leave before anything escalates from his situation.

[themightyfin]

32 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

This isn't a dig at Ranieri as I imagine there's more people involved in transfers than just him. But the signings we have made since he came to the club have been quite poor really. 

 

Luis Hernandez- Free

Ahmed Musa- £16 million

Daniel Amartey- £5.6 million

Bartosz Kaputska- £7.5 million

Islam Slimani- £30 million

Ron-Robert Zieler- £2.5 million

Demari Gray- £3.7 million

Nampalys Mendy- £13 Million

Gokhan Inler- £3 million

Yohan Benaloune- £5.9 million

N'golo Kante- £5.5 million

 

Looking at that list there's only 1 who I'd say has been a success (Kante) and another 2 who have the potential to be first team regulars (Slimani, Gray) 

You don't think Armartey and Musa have potential? They are still very young and new to this league.

 

You don't think Hernandez is a good buy for nothing?

 

Zieler was only ever going to be back up

Mendy has had awful luck with injury so not sure how you can judge him on a couple of games.

 

Kaputska is one for the future

 

Slimarni is class and as you say Gray has potential 

 

Kante well what can you say.!

 

That leaves Inler  and Benny who are bad buys

 

That's 2 out of your list of 11 players personally I think that's quite a good record you can't get everyone right!

 

 

 

 

[sylofox]

44 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

Think the Telegraph article is a bit over the top but laughable nonetheless.

 

God knows how a player who was ready to play and play well at the Euros is suddenly unworthy of at least sub appearances against the PL bottom half.

No more laughable than the money we have wasted on poor players.

 

Spend record amounts to be far weaker than last season. Also lose everything that made us special last season. No fight little spirit and hide at the thought of hard work.

 

That article goes a long way to explain why we are shite. Also why our new signings are poor.

 

But yeah let's laugh.

[sylofox]

3 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

You don't think Armartey and Musa have potential? They are still very young and new to this league.

 

You don't think Hernandez is a good buy for nothing?

 

Zieler was only ever going to be back up

Mendy has had awful luck with injury so not sure how you can judge him on a couple if games.

 

Kaputska is one for the future

 

Slimarni is class and as you say Gray has potential 

 

Kante well what can you say.!

 

That leaves Inker and Benny who are bad buys

 

That's 2 out of your list of 11 players personally I think that's quite a good record you can't get everyone right!

 

 

 

 

But we did not need players with potential. We needed players for the hear and now.

 

By the time half of them are ready we could be in the championship.

[ealingfox]

10 minutes ago, sylofox said:

No more laughable than the money we have wasted on poor players.

 

Spend record amounts to be far weaker than last season. Also lose everything that made us special last season. No fight little spirit and hide at the thought of hard work.

 

That article goes a long way to explain why we are shite. Also why our new signings are poor.

 

But yeah let's laugh.

 

Our situation is laughable not the article.

[themightyfin]

Just now, sylofox said:

But we did not need players with potential. We needed players for the hear and now.

 

By the time half of them are ready we could be in the championship.

So you never plan for the future? You just buy players that are ready now?

 

[sylofox]

1 minute ago, themightyfin said:

So you never plan for the future? You just buy players that are ready now?

 

Woosshhhh.

 

Yes you do plan but you don't put the roof up before you build the walls.

4 minutes ago, ealingfox said:

 

Our situation is laughable not the article.

Ok just not how I read it.

[Chester Dontlie]

Knowing Kapustka for couple years now from Polish league and more importantly, from Poland's games in Euro Qualifications (not only from that one decent game at Euros against NI), I'm very disappointed with how Claudio sees (or rather, doesn't see) Kapustka at Leicester. I knew it would take some time for the youngster to break into the squad but I didn't expect Ranieri to just cut him off from games completely and delegate a lad who at 19 years of age has played in 14 national games already to the reserve team. I had thought this kind of situation would be more than likely to happen if Kapustka signed for some other clubs he was linked with like Juventus and Fenerbahce. I remember convincing my mates (who support Arsenal and Liverpool) in the summer that Leicester is without a shadow of a doubt the best choice for the lad. I still believe that, I'm just constantly puzzled with Claudio's (in)decisions this season.

 

I wouldn't be disappointed if we were in the upper half of the table, continuing our form from the previous season. If this was the case, benching or as it is relegating Kapustka to U-23 would seem inevitable. As previous posters wrote, Kramaric similarly didn't get games last season. But back then Vardy was in his godly form, Shinji turned out to be the ultimate warrior and Leo played so well, giving us important points. Back then everybody understood that even if things looked grim for Krams personally, you have to look at the bigger picture, and just leave things as they are, if it ain't broke don't fix it, and it was so much more than that, it was a perfect winning machine.

 

But now things are very different and we're far from perfect, in fact things are starting to look a bit grim for the club and everyone concerned. Probably even the most pessimistic supporters didn't predict Leicester will be this low at this time of the season, being the reigning Champions. This makes it even harder for me to understand Claudio's stubbornness and persisting with the same players and formation. One would think, when things aren't working like they used to anymore (and it was pretty evident from the very start of the season), now would be the perfect time to try and fix it, to experiment and maybe start introducing Kapustka to the squad.

 

Basically all our midfielders have been underperforming (even Drinky as of late) and it's always Albrighton or Schlupp or Gray on the left wing. I often say on here that I'm probably Schlupperman's biggest fan (and I will shed manly tears when we finally offload him to West Brom because I still believe in him, even if he himself had lost belief) but I simply can't grasp how completely out of form Schlupp (he looks like he can't even make runs anymore ffs) gets any playing time while Kapustka doesn't get a sniff of the pitch. I thought at first he was given some time to adjust to the physical side of the game and the pace of Premier League or whatever, but if you don't give a guy any opportunities, you can't really expect him to adjust. Also, I don't really believe in wingers bulking up (if that's what they want him to do). Mahrez looks like a sudden gust of wind could blow him off the pitch but that didn't exactly prevent him from winning PL title and player of the year award.

 

Poland is doing pretty good without Kapustka at the moment. In a better world, he would fight with Grosicki of Stade Rennais for a place in Poland's line-up, and I'm pretty sure in time he would get more and more games (his stamina is better than Grosicki's and he's ten years younger)... But in a better world he would also get his chance at Leicester I sincerely hope he eventually will, sooner or later.

 

As for comparisons, in my opinion (I've been watching him for couple seasons now) Kapustka is already as good and dynamic as Schlupp or Gray are and has better footballing brain than both of them. What we need on the wing currently is, IMO, some flair and creativity and Kapi has these qualities. I believe they were the reason he was brought in. Perhaps as some on here say, it was Walsh who pushed for signing him and for some reason he just doesn't fit into Claudio's game plan anymore. Obviously I have no idea if that's the case.

 

It's not sour grapes, it just saddens me to see Poland's brightest talent (I genuinely believe so) since at least Lewandowski being wasted like that, playing reserve games together with some lads who are obviously very talented but mostly light years from breaking into their national team squads. I had really been looking forward to watch him having a (preferably long) career in Leicester shirt. I'm pretty sure he'll have a successful career anyway, here or elsewhere, but I just don't want to see him offloaded for a fraction of his transfer price and proving his worth with some other club, a club that I don't care about. He should be given a chance to shine here as a Fox. Loaning him out in January doesn't seem to be such a good idea to me, when there's a talk about fighting relegation and as we can clearly see most of the players - and all of the wingers - are underperforming. If anything, if there were any concerns about his quality or fitness, he should be loaned out before this season even started, so he could return in January.

 

PS: Apologies for any mistakes, that must be my longest post in months

 

PS2: I've read that recent article and there's no doubt Kapustka turning his nose up isn't a good thing, he shouldn't be doing that. Obviously one can't defend this kind of behaviour, it's highly unprofessional. There's only one explanation that I can see here, he's just looking at this from the perspective of being one of Poland's finest players, undoubtedly he couldn't imagine things would be this complicated/ difficult for him at Leicester (he's lost his place in Poland team because he's not playing) 

 

PS.2 Also, onwards and upwards!

 

[themightyfin]

Just now, sylofox said:

Woosshhhh.

 

Yes you do plan but you don't put the roof up before you build the walls.

Ok just not how I read it.

Agree I never said we didn't need more quality I was just pointing out the poster said only 2 of 11 signings have the potential to be first team regulars. Clearly there's a lot more potential on the list but yes we certainly could have done with 2-3 more who were ready now.

[themightyfin]

7 minutes ago, Chester Dontlie said:

Knowing Kapustka for couple years now from Polish league and more importantly, from Poland's games in Euro Qualifications (not only from that one decent game at Euros against NI), I'm very disappointed with how Claudio sees (or rather, doesn't see) Kapustka at Leicester. I knew it would take some time for the youngster to break into the squad but I didn't expect Ranieri to just cut him off from games completely and delegate a lad who at 19 years of age has played in 14 national games already to the reserve team. I had thought this kind of situation would be more than likely to happen if Kapustka signed for some other clubs he was linked with like Juventus and Fenerbahce. I remember convincing my mates (who support Arsenal and Liverpool) in the summer that Leicester is without a shadow of a doubt the best choice for the lad. I still believe that, I'm just constantly puzzled with Claudio's (in)decisions this season.

 

I wouldn't be disappointed if we were in the upper half of the table, continuing our form from the previous season. If this was the case, benching or as it is relegating Kapustka to U-23 would seem inevitable. As previous posters wrote, Kramaric similarly didn't get games last season. But back then Vardy was in his godly form, Shinji turned out to be the ultimate warrior and Leo played so well, giving us important points. Back then everybody understood that even if things looked grim for Krams personally, you have to look at the bigger picture, and just leave things as they are, if it ain't broke don't fix it, and it was so much more than that, it was a perfect winning machine.

 

But now things are very different and we're far from perfect, in fact things are starting to look a bit grim for the club and everyone concerned. Probably even the most pessimistic supporters didn't predict Leicester will be this low at this time of the season, being the reigning Champions. This makes it even harder for me to understand Claudio's stubbornness and persisting with the same players and formation. One would think, when things aren't working like they used to anymore (and it was pretty evident from the very start of the season), now would be the perfect time to try and fix it, to experiment and maybe start introducing Kapustka to the squad.

 

Basically all our midfielders have been underperforming (even Drinky as of late) and it's always Albrighton or Schlupp or Gray on the left wing. I often say on here that I'm probably Schlupperman's biggest fan (and I will shed manly tears when we finally offload him to West Brom because I still believe in him, even if he himself had lost belief) but I simply can't grasp how completely out of form Schlupp (he looks like he can't even make runs anymore ffs) gets any playing time while Kapustka doesn't get a sniff of the pitch. I thought at first he was given some time to adjust to the physical side of the game and the pace of Premier League or whatever, but if you don't give a guy any opportunities, you can't really expect him to adjust. Also, I don't really believe in wingers bulking up (if that's what they want him to do). Mahrez looks like a sudden gust of wind could blow him off the pitch but that didn't exactly prevent him from winning PL title and player of the year award.

 

Poland is doing pretty good without Kapustka at the moment. In a better world, he would fight with Grosicki of Stade Rennais for a place in Poland's line-up, and I'm pretty sure in time he would get more and more games (his stamina is better than Grosicki's and he's ten years younger)... But in a better world he would also get his chance at Leicester I sincerely hope he eventually will, sooner or later.

 

As for comparisons, in my opinion (I've been watching him for couple seasons now) Kapustka is already as good and dynamic as Schlupp or Gray are and has better footballing brain than both of them. What we need on the wing currently is, IMO, some flair and creativity and Kapi has these qualities. I believe they were the reason he was brought in. Perhaps as some on here say, it was Walsh who pushed for signing him and for some reason he just doesn't fit into Claudio's game plan anymore. Obviously I have no idea if that's the case.

 

It's not sour grapes, it just saddens me to see Poland's brightest talent (I genuinely believe so) since at least Lewandowski being wasted like that, playing reserve games together with some lads who are obviously very talented but mostly light years from breaking into their national team squads. I had really been looking forward to watch him having a (preferably long) career in Leicester shirt. I'm pretty sure he'll have a successful career anyway, here or elsewhere, but I just don't want to see him offloaded for a fraction of his transfer price and proving his worth with some other club, a club that I don't care about. He should be given a chance to shine here as a Fox. Loaning him out in January doesn't seem to be such a good idea to me, when there's a talk about fighting relegation and as we can clearly see most of the players - and all of the wingers - are underperforming. If anything, if there were any concerns about his quality or fitness, he should be loaned out before this season even started, so he could return in January.

 

PS: Apologies for any mistakes, that must be my longest post in months

 

PS2: I've read that recent article and there's no doubt Kapustka turning his nose up isn't a good thing, he shouldn't be doing that. Obviously one can't defend this kind of behaviour, it's highly unprofessional. There's only one explanation that I can see here, he's just looking at this from the perspective of being one of Poland's finest players, undoubtedly he couldn't imagine things would be this complicated/ difficult for him at Leicester (he's lost his place in Poland team because he's not playing) 

 

PS.2 Also, onwards and upwards!

 

So your a fan of his? His dad? Or a stalker?

[Chester Dontlie]

I would

6 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

So your a fan of his?

I'm not a fan of him as a person (as much as for example I'm a fan of Shinji or Wasyl or Schlupp) but if you ask me if he's any good, if he's quality player, then I say yes, he's pure quality.

 

I have honestly no idea what's the matter with him at the moment. I hope neither him nor his agent will make any silly moves, you know, like chatting shit on twitter, thats what they do these days to voice disconcern

[sylofox]

4 minutes ago, themightyfin said:

So your a fan of his? His dad? Or a stalker?

But one thing about what he says.

 

CR is a million miles away from the tinker man we thought we was getting. Last season fine everything was Rosie. But this season I think everyone now wishes we had that tinker man. The only changes he makes are forced ones and he's seems to be doing nothing to try and change our game. At least throughout the great escape Nige was changing formations until we got it right.

[sylofox]

8 minutes ago, Chester Dontlie said:

I would

I'm not a fan of him as a person (as much as for example I'm a fan of Shinji or Wasyl or Schlupp) but if you ask me if he's any good, if he's quality player, then I say yes, he's pure quality.

 

I have honestly no idea what's the matter with him at the moment. I hope neither him nor his agent will make any silly moves, you know, like chatting shit on twitter, thats what they do these days to voice disconcern

To be honest if they did chat sh1t I for one would not blame them. As you said the way its going why not give the lad a chance. Other prem sides do it. Owen Rooney both started a lot younger that Kaputska.

[Munshi]

There really is no harm in bringing him on in a game like Middlesbrough where we were struggling to create much. Ranieri is making some strange decisions this season

[TJB-fox]

Polish Tom Lawrence lets be honest 

[VLC86]

2 hours ago, TJB-fox said:

Polish Tom Lawrence lets be honest 

Just a Polish Leon Crnic IMO.

[Babylon]

That article stinks of someone at the club either pointing a finger, or making excuses.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

Dear Claudio

 

I know we've won the Premier League with you and for that you'll rightly always be a legend. 

 

But with the shit football we're playing at the moment, the increasing precarious league position, and the unavailability of banned or injured players, not to mention the lack of midfield/attacking prowess we're displaying at the moment, might you consider giving a young, highly promising Polish international who played well at the Euros a chance? 

 

 

[Babylon]

53 minutes ago, Cadno'r Cymoedd said:

Dear Claudio

 

I know we've won the Premier League with you and for that you'll rightly always be a legend. 

 

But with the shit football we're playing at the moment, the increasing precarious league position, and the unavailability of banned or injured players, not to mention the lack of midfield/attacking prowess we're displaying at the moment, might you consider giving a young, highly promising Polish international who played well at the Euros a chance? 

 

 

He gets a chance every day in training.

[Cadno'r Cymoedd]

1 hour ago, Babylon said:

He gets a chance every day in training.

Training isn't game time and those who are presumably training well are not exactly delivering in matches? I used to be involved in rugby coaching at a reasonable level and wehad players who were fantastically diligent trainers but never cut it in games. Then there were others for whom perhaps training wasn't exactly their forte - they wouldn't be picked if they didn't though -  but would give their all in games and win us matches. Some of our players must look wonderful on the training ground at the moment if that's the yardstick.

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

That article stinks of someone at the club either pointing a finger, or making excuses.

Yep, did no one during the negotiations (given they were unusually public for us) speak up and show concern?

[stix]

2 hours ago, Babylon said:

He gets a chance every day in training.

 

The same as everyone else does, and look how that's turned out on a Saturday afternoon. 

 

Last year will stay with all of us forever, but let's have it right, the manager seems very stuck in his ways at the minute. I understand his loyalty to the players that won the title, but it's clearly not working. A point here and a point there is just papering over the cracks of genuinely poor performances recently. We've been extremely lucky in our last 2 UCL games as well. 

 

I just don't see how changing it up abit can do any worse than leaving it the same. I think this guy deserves his chance. 

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8 hours ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

This isn't a dig at Ranieri as I imagine there's more people involved in transfers than just him. But the signings we have made since he came to the club have been quite poor really. 

 

Luis Hernandez- Free

Ahmed Musa- £16 million

Daniel Amartey- £5.6 million

Bartosz Kaputska- £7.5 million

Islam Slimani- £30 million

Ron-Robert Zieler- £2.5 million

Demari Gray- £3.7 million

Nampalys Mendy- £13 Million

Gokhan Inler- £3 million

Yohan Benaloune- £5.9 million

N'golo Kante- £5.5 million

 

Looking at that list there's only 1 who I'd say has been a success (Kante) and another 2 who have the potential to be first team regulars (Slimani, Gray) 

You don't think Armartey and Musa have potential? They are still very young and new to this league.

 

You don't think Hernandez is a good buy for nothing?

 

Zieler was only ever going to be back up

Mendy has had awful luck with injury so not sure how you can judge him on a couple of games.

 

Kaputska is one for the future

 

Slimarni is class and as you say Gray has potential 

 

Kante well what can you say.!

 

That leaves Inler  and Benny who are bad buys

 

That's 2 out of your list of 11 players personally I think that's quite a good record you can't get everyone right!

 

I'm not even sure that Benny is a bad signing?  Seemed to play well when he was given a chance.  Annoying as we desperately need a younger more mobile centre half.  Would have liked to have seen him given a run of games now.  

 

[Guest Col city fan]

I'm not sure I'd start Kapustka in a game as important as this one. It's gonna be a physical challenge, no doubt. But I suppose there's the problem....we'll probably have to rely on King and Amartey again.

However, Amartey showed glimpses on Saturday of starting to get up to speed in the Premiership. King I'm afraid, looked poor. 

[lgfualol]

Starting to feel quite Kramaric-y. Should go out on loan in January if Ranieri is so sure he isn't up to it. There will be tons of teams willing to take him. 

 

I hope he at least can make an appearance against Porto, but I can imagine another needless 90 minutes for our usual lot.