Drygon Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 There's been a lot of joy after the victory against Pep's City last week and some were even saying that Leicester are back on track. But if I've to be really honest, the victory against Manchester City was more or less down to the fact that Pep played 3 at the back with defenders who weren't really impressive defensively (especially Stones) and a high line against a team that's well known for being deadly at counter attack. It's a horrendous blunder blunder Not because Leicester actually really that good, the steam still looked quite umimpressive even when facing against Bournmouth today. As the title says, do you agree of my view on City game or do you have a different opinion? Cheers!
The Doctor Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 No. We're good at home, we're fantastic when we play full-throttle. Today doesn't show anything about Saturday. If we look that useless while at full-throttle, then there's more to discuss as to whether Guardiola was just being a ridiculous hipster.
Charl91 Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 A combination of that, and the two early goals. Heads went down very early on from Man City, which made our life much easier.
Tuna Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 We played well, but Man City were compliant opponents. And I fear if they pulled a goal back 10 minutes earlier, we would have capitulated. The worrying thing is teams don't have to work hard to beat us, and Claudio is looking clueless for answers.
ajthefox Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 Just now, Phube said: We scored first, that is all... This basically. We scored first, and early. And then again. It gave us confidence and it meant Man City spent 85 minutes playing into our hands.
Jakemoore Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 A big part of it was, yeah. But scoring first really helped. We just don't seem to do that anymore.
FrankieADZ Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 yes it was, and playing a dodgy cb and no other normal cb in there too helped
Corky Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 We pressured them, we harried them and we were too quick for them. Scoring the first goal helps too, we've done it four times this season and won each match. We've picked up two points from conceding first in 10 games.
Kitchandro Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 No and if you're too stupid to see the huge chasm of difference in our approach to the two games then you should probably watch another sport. Just watch the matches for god's sake, can't you see we pressed in one and not the other? That we attacked in numbers in one and not in the other? Can you not see we worked harder, played at a higher tempo tried to attack much more on Saturday? These things are obvious, you should realise them when watching the games. Them defending badly shouldn't skew your understanding to the point where you settle on an overly basic and inaccurate summary of the match.
Nick Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 9 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: No and if you're too stupid to see the huge chasm of difference in our approach to the two games then you should probably watch another sport. Just watch the matches for god's sake, can't you see we pressed in one and not the other? That we attacked in numbers in one and not in the other? Can you not see we worked harder, played at a higher tempo tried to attack much more on Saturday? These things are obvious, you should realise them when watching the games. Them defending badly shouldn't skew your understanding to the point where you settle on an overly basic and inaccurate summary of the match. Perhaps better than being offensive, self righteous and generally not very nice though.
ZeGuy Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 5 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: No and if you're too stupid to see the huge chasm of difference in our approach to the two games then you should probably watch another sport. Just watch the matches for god's sake, can't you see we pressed in one and not the other? That we attacked in numbers in one and not in the other? Can you not see we worked harder, played at a higher tempo tried to attack much more on Saturday? These things are obvious, you should realise them when watching the games. Them defending badly shouldn't skew your understanding to the point where you settle on an overly basic and inaccurate summary of the match. You can't boil it down only to lack of pressing as well as you can't overlook how wide open ManCity were and how much space Vardy, Mahrez and Slimani had. No other team let us so much space. I would never take away what the team did achieve saturday, but when you lose against bournemouth 3 days later, in the same way you lost all your games, there is no wonder people would consider it a one off. Today again deep defending and double marking on Mahrez, midfielders lyind deep and immedialtely retreat to their own box as soon as the the ball is lost (which generally happens after 2 passes) because 4-4-2 away and there you have it. What is worrying is the immediate meltdown as soon as the opponent scores and the inability to react rapidly.
An Away Move Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 Yeah! It was Pep's arrogance that was responsible for those Mahrez touches! FFS!
Corky Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 The confidence of the side is brittle in addition to the lack of effort in some games so going a goal down is not helping that. As we've seen, scoring first gives us the ability to play the game at our pace rather than chase from a trailing position. We are starting away games so slowly.
Guest Col city fan Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 Why we won against Man City was clear. 1. I believe they thought they only had to turn up. So, yes arrogant. 2. Pep played right into our hands. 3. We pressed very high, right from the off. 4. Mahrez touch on the night was sublime 5. Vardy did what Vardy does best. 6. The game was over after half an hour.
Rob1742 Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 We won because we got an early goal. This meant Man City had to press and we could hit them on the break like we did all last season. Unfortunately we won't get a 1-0 start every game, so this will be a one off. Thought it straight after the Man City game and my thoughts appear to be correct looking at tonight's game.
Parafox Posted 13 December 2016 Posted 13 December 2016 I think the Bournemouth result shows Guardiola up as being inept in English PL football. He's only really been challenged by 3 teams in Spain. A bit like Scottish football. There's no real competition to test his skills
Dan Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 Would be simplistic to say it was only down to that. I thought it was a lot of good things coming together, but without a doubt Pep's arrogance was a huge factor. The appalling defending another, but Leicester themselves showed some bollocks from the off and you can seldom say that this season. What the **** is going on in Ranieri's head? I can't believe how negative we were tonight. Look how many goals Bournemouth have shipped FFS.
Donut Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 I wouldnt say Pep was so much "arrogant" as trying to play a style of football thats totally alien to the players hes got at the moment, he has some weird ideas going on and hes got some out of position players too. Some of the goals were individual mistakes, and you cant legislate for defending a throw in poorly, or playing yourself into trouble with a backpass. His style of play did contribute to our win though. It left us room down the sides, and in behind. something that we havent been getting. BUT the performance was miles better than tonight. We were more committed in our pressing, more positive in possession, and showed more of a willingness to make things happen. I have no idea where those qualities went tonight. Those are absolute basics for us, we are at our best when we are a high press team, we cant construct a passing move so winning the ball back deep in our own half will only result in a hoof. And when youre not a great side anyway, if your levels drop off at all, its going to really show up.
bpfox Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 well hang on there everyone if guardiola is inept then what does that say about ranieri he refuses to change him tactics no matter if we play home or away, if he had played football against Bournemouth tonight I think we would have beaten them, but again its kick and chase and they were waiting for us, but did he change his tactics no, THEN IT SHOWS HOW DUM HE IS.
Bayfox Posted 14 December 2016 Posted 14 December 2016 2 hours ago, SydenhamFox said: Yeah! It was Pep's arrogance that was responsible for those Mahrez touches! FFS! You could argue it was. Saturday. No one near him. Freedom of the city as no one could be arsed to pick him up. Looks great. Tuesday. Manager sets up properly. 4 men round him at times. Looks? well like every other game this season. Let's not dress it up man city must be the most nieve team of all time to come try play that way at the weekend. Everyone else has looked and learnt how to stop us. Pep showed how over confident he is.
Izzy muzzit Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 On 13/12/2016 at 21:59, Drygon said: There's been a lot of joy after the victory against Pep's City last week and some were even saying that Leicester are back on track. But if I've to be really honest, the victory against Manchester City was more or less down to the fact that Pep played 3 at the back with defenders who weren't really impressive defensively (especially Stones) and a high line against a team that's well known for being deadly at counter attack. It's a horrendous blunder blunder Not because Leicester actually really that good, the steam still looked quite umimpressive even when facing against Bournmouth today. As the title says, do you agree of my view on City game or do you have a different opinion? Cheers! I have to agree fully. I think that Pep was slightly arrogant, which is understandable because of our recent results. People are right we 'pressed' against Man City so why can't we do it all the time?? I am very confident that this is the reason why. A team can only press if you are NOT in possession of the ball. In games against the West Broms and Sunderlands of this world the possession stats have been very even, if not in our favor. Compare that with the Man City game (22%) which means that we could focus on playing like we did last season. We have been moulded by Pearson and his staff with a specific system to turn the ball over and counter attack. Over the last few seasons we have bought players to suit this system and not just because they are known to be quality 'footballers' (kante and Vardy are perfect examples). We do not need possession of the ball as we are a team that is incapable of building from the back. We are being allowed the ball and we do not have the personnel in midfield to keep it or create chances like the Arsenals and Tottenhams etc. Against Man City we were able to go back to what we know. E.g. Amartey was able to do the job of turning the ball over and not worry about much else. Its a simple game plan but one that worked wonders last season because teams thought they would get an easy ride due to the relegation fight the season before. Many changed their plans the second time around, which is why we had to fight hard for 1-0 wins and luckily momentum and form carried us through last year. The games I have been to this season demonstrates our inability to understand this. It is full of people complaining about the back 4 just lumping the ball forward to no avail. The reason they do this is to give away possession and invite the opposition to attack. Its all part of the master plan that was used last season! This is why people are calling for a change of system. On 14/12/2016 at 01:43, Bayfox said: On 13/12/2016 at 22:53, SydenhamFox said: Yeah! It was Pep's arrogance that was responsible for those Mahrez touches! FFS! You could argue it was. Saturday. No one near him. Freedom of the city as no one could be arsed to pick him up. Looks great. Tuesday. Manager sets up properly. 4 men round him at times. Looks? well like every other game this season. Let's not dress it up man city must be the most nieve team of all time to come try play that way at the weekend. Everyone else has looked and learnt how to stop us. Pep showed how over confident he is. I would argue it was! Would Mahrez have had the space and time to play like he did if we had majority of possession?? Agree wholeheartedly Bayfox.
foxy boxing Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 clearly Pep didn't do his homework and that quote that he doesn't teach tackling will come back to haunt him again and again. his defence and particularly his goalkeeper were woeful.when you are regularly called the best manager in the world and have won leagues in Germany and Spain and been able to play attractive football you would probably become arrogant but now in this league he is getting found out a little because defenders here get less time on the ball and are not ball players
DANGEROUS TIGER Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 On 13/12/2016 at 21:59, Drygon said: There's been a lot of joy after the victory against Pep's City last week and some were even saying that Leicester are back on track. But if I've to be really honest, the victory against Manchester City was more or less down to the fact that Pep played 3 at the back with defenders who weren't really impressive defensively (especially Stones) and a high line against a team that's well known for being deadly at counter attack. It's a horrendous blunder blunder Not because Leicester actually really that good, the steam still looked quite umimpressive even when facing against Bournmouth today. As the title says, do you agree of my view on City game or do you have a different opinion? Cheers! What a stupid thread!
Koke Posted 15 December 2016 Posted 15 December 2016 If you do your homework you can easily nullify us. Guardiola should be embarrassed. We are probably the best counter attacking side in the league and Pep decided to bend over for us.
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