Should we keep Ranieri as manager?

[Struwwelpeter60]

11 minutes ago, Corky said:

Yes it was a lot of Nigel Pearson's team and also Claudio Ranieri's management that won the title. It is possible for a manager to be great one season and not so great the next.

Question?

If Chelsea wins the title this year, would that be Conte's merit,

although he is fielding , with the exeption of Kante, the same

players as Mourinho and Hittink did last season?

No manager starts from zero.

[stevebrock]

47 minutes ago, Chelve84 said:

Although we are halfway through the season we are in a better position then we were in the 14/15 season so why the sudden urge to get rid? Were so many people asking for pearson's head at the same time or did the majority say give him till the end of the season?

 

yes but he has spunked 60million on shite. We never spent that in 14/15

Because then we were in most games and playing better football - or did you not go then ? 

 

Honestky are you an ostrich 

[Corky]

4 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

Question?

If Chelsea wins the title this year, would that be Conte's merit,

although he is fielding , with the exeption of Kante, the same

players as Mourinho and Hittink did last season?

No manager starts from zero.

But no manager has a squad entirely made up of his own players. Mourinho had plenty of players signed by Ranieri at Chelsea 12 years ago. Wenger inherited a famous back five at Arsenal.

 

The manager who oversees the title win deserves the most credit. He kept the squad going, made tactical changes, made the motivational impact to keep the squad focused with the pressure on.

 

Look, Pearson and his staff put together a decent squad. Ranieri made them great last season- this year has been nowhere near as good, obviously. But people playing down last season as a man coming in to a top squad and carrying it on are doing the man a disservice. 

[oxtonfox]

We have to give Ranieri a chance at saving the season for us just as he brought us our one and probably only Premier League title. I still can't believe that!

The root causes?

1. 15 teams in the league have advanced forward, some by a significant margin and we have regressed quite a bit.
2. Our transfer business is negative despite just shipping Kante out and bringing 5 new players in!
3. Last season's top performers have been way below average this season

However he needs to get a grip big time and quickly before we implode completely. 

 

Any new manager in now apart from Allardyce (now gone) could have an excuse for getting us relegated anyway given where we are and the relatively little time they will have (4-5 months). 

 

[Struwwelpeter60]

4 minutes ago, Corky said:

But people playing down last season as a man coming in to a top squad and carrying it on are doing the man a disservice. 

Spot-on!!

 

Btw: I think, you didn't get my drift

[MPH]

1 hour ago, adamlcfcbevo85 said:

I hate bringing this up but It's was Nigel Pearsons team who carried that form on once we let go of NP key backroom staff then it's clear to see CR team/tactics/fitness come to light, il never forget that we won the league with him in charge but I've begun to wonder for almost 2 months now if it was entirely down to CR and more down to other staff behind the doors, but a lot of people taking last season success and turning a blind eye to it, if CR stays which is a downward spiral btw, hopefully I'm proved wrong because I don't care about CR and his job I care about My team and it's future hopefully the owners see it this way and get rid!

 

 

 

It was nigel Pearsons team that finished 14th. 

 

 

If you cant can't see the difference In Management style between Pearson  and Ranieri than I fee sorry for you...

[Struwwelpeter60]

4 minutes ago, oxtonfox said:

However he needs to get a grip big time

What exactly do you mean by that?

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

Winning the league, joking week in and week out, dilly ding, dilly dong this and that, everything going his way compared to now - a situation at the moment which he appears to have no answer for.  In terms of his managerial past, has he ever managed to turn around a situation similar to the one he is in now?

 

 

But that wasn't the question that was previously asked was it? 

 

[Chelve84]

6 minutes ago, stevebrock said:

Because then we were in most games and playing better football - or did you not go then ? 

 

Honestky are you an ostrich 

Spending 60million and being worse tactically is bad. In fact it's more than 60million taking into account the ridiculous 4 yr contracts for on 100k. Mahrez out of the side, and then we slimani let's all be real he is no good and don't fit in most city fans would prefer shinji and yet Claudio brought him to replace shinji and then a month later admitted slimani and vardy can't play together and it's basically shinji and vardy or shinji and slimani. The bloke has failed to buy what we need and is failing to holt our slide. He doesn't know how to change it and he hasn't got the players we need 

[Struwwelpeter60]

7 minutes ago, Chelve84 said:

slimani let's all be real he is no good and don't fit in most city fans would prefer shinji and yet Claudio brought him to replace shinji

How many goals has Okazaki scored for LCFC?

How many goals has Slimani scored for LCFC?

Okazaki: 7 in 50 PL games

Slimani: 4 in 12 PL games

 

What do those numbers tell you?

[Donut]

1 hour ago, Legend_in_blue said:

 

Winning the league, joking week in and week out, dilly ding, dilly dong this and that, everything going his way compared to now - a situation at the moment which he appears to have no answer for.  In terms of his managerial past, has he ever managed to turn around a situation similar to the one he is in now?

Actually, he has faced adversity several times, and in several forms.

 

The obvious relegation adversity example would be the 07/08 Parma team he inherited in the relegation zone with 2/3 of the Serie A played, and he lead them to a 12th placed finish which was pretty miraculous considering he achieved an almost 2 points per game ratio in the time he was there.

 

There have also been situations where he has taken over teams, not necessarily threatened with relegation immediately, but underperforming hugely, and he has turned them around. A good example would be Roma, who he led to 2nd in Serie A despite a terrible start from the previous manager, second only to Mourinho's treble winners.

 

In terms of positive momentum in jobs, he also has some notable examples, the best being Chelsea who he improved season on season for the time he was there before Abramovich had him replaced, and having brought in the likes of Lampard, and Terry through the ranks who became club legends.

 

Similarly, he did an excellent job with Monaco and could consider himself unlucky to have been sacked, having won promotion and took them all the way to 2nd in their first season back in Ligue 1, pipped only by PSG who were the undisputed number one french side.

 

So there are examples of adversity along the way.

 

What i would say though is, he corrected the adversity created by others. Here, he needs to correct adversity he himself has been a part of creating.

 

I still remain confident he will. The Premier League trophy is still gleaming and thats the best piece of evidence for his credentials.

 

 

[oxtonfox]

24 minutes ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

What exactly do you mean by that?

I think he has been too protective and lenient in not dropping some of the team and their performances this season. What I want to see is a little less loyalty to so called preferred 11 and 4-4-2 formation and to be prepared to shake it up. He did this with Mahrez last match but there should be more. The players need to repay him to be fair for his support and loyalty but I don't think Claudio is happy or 100% confident with the replacement options that we have wasted money on. Finally what the hell has Kaputska done wrong not to get in this team?

 

[Wolfox]

On 27/12/2016 at 18:38, MPH said:

1. Because people are paying hard earned money to watch crap football by ( apparently ) uninterested/ unmotivated players.

2. Because relegation is a real fear for some

3. Because if the issues are not addressed  soon some people fear it would follow us into next season which could be catastrophic if relegated.

4. Because the owners have invested a hell of alot of money into us and relgation could do untold damge to their involvment to us and potentially lead to a Portsmouth situation

5 Because  we have players on more than double what they were last season and realistically who will make a big money offer for some of them seeing as how they are in their 30s now which means relegation could be much more damaging than if we were relegated last season or the year before.

 

 

 

Im sure there's more reasons...

I'll summarise my view on your positon

 

Because people have developed severely unrealistic expectations as to this status of our club

 

just because other clubs seem to feel justified in sacking managers after 5 mins doesn't mean we should follow suit, but, fortunately our owners seem to have a very strong moral principles and they won't sack the man who was instrumental in creating one of the greatest sporting miracles in the history of team sport because we've had a slightly wobbly start to the season

 

i stand by my position and am genuinely perplexed that people are asking the "should we sack him?" question... why on earth would we do that?

[Wolfox]

On 27/12/2016 at 18:53, Wookie said:

So if we were to get relegated which isn't unlikely, he still keeps his job? 

Yep, but, I'd imagine he'd resign...  I'd be highly supersed if the owners asked him to go

 

domt forget they agreed to keep him on last year if they were relegated, but, he ended winning the league instead...

[LittlethorpeFox]

I have read every post on this thread. And to summarise 

 

- No we don't want Klinsman!

- Anybody who discredits CR for last year's triumphs is an idiot

- Glory and failure should be treated in equal measure, unfortunately by many fans, it isn't and their arguments are embarrassingly biased

- You can't make arguments based on isolated, incomparable stats

- Most people were saying in the summer we needed to sign players with "Champions League experience", there was widespread disdain when we offered £15m for Keane. Now everybody wants Keane, seemingly at any price, and the likes of Slimani, Musa, Mendy are useless. Many a player has taken at least a year to settle in the Premier League (De Gea, Lamela, Vidic) - how about we give them a chance to settle in. I remember Vardy/Drinkwater/Kane not good enough to start away at Watford 2013

- Unequivocally - the answer to the poll is that No, we should not sack Ranieiri. More than any manager in the history of our club, he deserves to the end of the season to sort it out. Any other opinion is fickle, knee jerk and short sighted

[dylanlegend]

The big difference for me is tranfer policy. I honestly think CR has asked for a bigger role in this aspect and probably a contributing factor to Walsh leaving. 

 

I remember when Pearson was very conservative when we signed a player. I.e. Players on 3 year 2.5 year contracts but the difference this year is we have players like Hernandez, Musa, Kaputzka on 4 or 5 year deals. It just smacks of poor business to me, now if we can't get rid of them players, if they continue not to cut we are faced with a huge financial outlay for little return. 

 

We we need to sort it out and also go back to signing British players or proven prem quality, too many players from different leagues who need time to adjust

[Manwell Pablo]

12 hours ago, Chelve84 said:

Although we are halfway through the season we are in a better position then we were in the 14/15 season so why the sudden urge to get rid? Were so many people asking for pearson's head at the same time or did the majority say give him till the end of the season?

 

yes but he has spunked 60million on shite. We never spent that in 14/15

 

Well lets remember we have made 40 Million of that back in sales, there's actually not a huge difference in net expenditure. 

[norwichfox]

7 minutes ago, dylanlegend said:

The big difference for me is tranfer policy. I honestly think CR has asked for a bigger role in this aspect and probably a contributing factor to Walsh leaving. 

 

I remember when Pearson was very conservative when we signed a player. I.e. Players on 3 year 2.5 year contracts but the difference this year is we have players like Hernandez, Musa, Kaputzka on 4 or 5 year deals. It just smacks of poor business to me, now if we can't get rid of them players, if they continue not to cut we are faced with a huge financial outlay for little return. 

 

We we need to sort it out and also go back to signing British players or proven prem quality, too many players from different leagues who need time to adjust

Tyhe length of contract is also in our interest, given what happened with Kante. Buying British players and players of proven Premier quality would have denied us something we've all been waiting for since the birth of the club, the top team in the land.... Champions....still sounds good to me, I suggested before the season started that this would be a season of "treading water" and I still think that is the case, it's painful, but I still think we'll be OK at the end of the season...I've had a few knee jerk posts after some dreadful playing, but I've got my calm head on today....

[LittlethorpeFox]

I agree with every comment about some of the flaws in our transfer policy over the summer. But surely people have some appreciation of the difficulty involved in recruiting the right players at the right price, and can see how good our transfer dealings have been over the last 4 or 5 years to build this squad we have. There are always going to be mistakes and at the moment it looks like we have bought some big players in who haven't hit the ground running, but we are trying to sign bigger better players and improve the squad from a mid table side to a top 8-6 side. I personally think our Board and manager had the hardest job in the Premier league this season trying to pull together and prepare a squad for this season. The Board deserve a chance to get this right in January (however it is the most notoriously difficult time to sign players).

 

I think we made one massive mistake preparing for this season and one that was forced upon us, those being 

 

1) an awful, awful pre-season

2) losing Kante, and not recovering from it.

 

I am not having the argument that "we should have signed a replacement for Kante" - one doesn't exist that easily, if at all - in my opinion he is one of the best players in the world, and his win ratio stats in the Prem proves that. Also we have lost Mendy and then Drinky for a few months. Imagine last season had we lost Kante for the time we had lost Mendy, and Drinkwater for a month and a half. We would have been in just as bad a position with the squad.

 

Yes we should have signed a central defender but we did try to sign Keane - after that fell through, who really would have predicted that our brilliant defence from last season would have this much of a loss of form. Lets see what they do in January, i am sure they are going to address this. Judge them following our dealings over the next month.

 

I understand as fans there are some of us with a more positive persuasion and I think we try to appreciate some of the difficulties of football management, and i am well in that camp so i know not everybody will agree with me and my points above - thats just football. But even i must say the failure to address the formation  being over run in midfield most weeks, is ****ing worrying!!

 

 

 

 

[reynard]

At the moment this is a difficult question. On the one hand we have last season. No one can deny what a wonderful achievement that was. However, we need to progress and we have not. In fact we appear to have gone backwards and seem to be regressing with each match.

A key question will be what were the owner's ambitions for the season. I suspect progress in the Champion's League and a solid top ten league position. So the one is achieved but the other looks a long long way away at the moment. As the season progresses the choice gets harder. Football has no room for sentiment. Relegation would almost certainly be a financial disaster. What concerns me isn't just the bad run of results it is the manner of performances. Yes we can blame the players but the manager doesn't seem able to motivate them. We play with no desire and no pace. The tactics against Everton were the cry of a desperate man who seems to have run out of ideas. To invest 60 million in the squad to have to revert to playing two great lumps up front are the tactics of a division two side. The fact that we couldn't do it as well as a division two side sets the alarm bells ringing big time for me.

For me he has some time but against West ham I want to see a more determined never say die approach. As the home side I want to see us on the front foot taking the game to the opponents a bit more. Can Ranieri get this from the players? I don't know. As I said he has some time but the clock is now starting to tick

[Ian S]

11 hours ago, Struwwelpeter60 said:

How many goals has Okazaki scored for LCFC?

How many goals has Slimani scored for LCFC?

Okazaki: 7 in 50 PL games

Slimani: 4 in 12 PL games

 

What do those numbers tell you?

That they play in different positions.

[sylofox]

So 56% want rid all I can say is it won't happen unless we go down.

 

In the great escape by now we had been bottom for weeks not won in months. Also we had road and a choke hold yet NP remained.

 

So i don't see our owners pulling the trigger unless we are burried.

[Guest Col city fan]

15 hours ago, Legend_in_blue said:

Can someone point us in the direction of the evidence which suggests he can turn this situation around, considering his managerial past of course.

 

 

No. It's blind faith. Which, to be fair, might happen or not.

But there's little logical argument to suggest our fortunes are radically going to change at present. The transfer window could be a crucial one for us.

Ranieri...little tip...sort the midfield out.

 

[ajthefox]

7 minutes ago, sylofox said:

So 56% want rid all I can say is it won't happen unless we go down.

 

In the great escape by now we had been bottom for weeks not won in months. Also we had road and a choke hold yet NP remained.

 

So i don't see our owners pulling the trigger unless we are burried.

You've got it the wrong way round mate..

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Wolfox said:

I'll summarise my view on your positon

 

Because people have developed severely unrealistic expectations as to this status of our club

 

just because other clubs seem to feel justified in sacking managers after 5 mins doesn't mean we should follow suit, but, fortunately our owners seem to have a very strong moral principles and they won't sack the man who was instrumental in creating one of the greatest sporting miracles in the history of team sport because we've had a slightly wobbly start to the season

 

i stand by my position and am genuinely perplexed that people are asking the "should we sack him?" question... why on earth would we do that?

My position? Never said it was my position, just answered why we were discussing this