jim5000 Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Thing is, if you credit Raneiri with last seasons success (which would hardly be unfair), you also have to point to him for the current malaise. The buck stops with the manager, and great as Raneiri was last season when he hit upon a winning formula that was never in need of even a minor tweak, it's not working this season, and he has to fix it. He doesn't seem to make any difference to the team, just continually trying the same system and hoping it comes good despite all the evidence. Even when asked about a change from 4-4-2 he said the players felt more comfortable playing 4-4-2. Well you're the manager!! train them, coach them, do something. He said 'If I try 3 in midfield, Andy King doesn't know where to run'. Well tell him! Still, he's a legend for last year, but I'd rather he went then relegated us. It's just such a shame we didn't kick on from the title.
Callabinho Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 Just now, jim5000 said: Thing is, if you credit Raneiri with last seasons success (which would hardly be unfair), you also have to point to him for the current malaise. The buck stops with the manager, and great as Raneiri was last season when he hit upon a winning formula that was never in need of even a minor tweak, it's not working this season, and he has to fix it. He doesn't seem to make any difference to the team, just continually trying the same system and hoping it comes good despite all the evidence. Even when asked about a change from 4-4-2 he said the players felt more comfortable playing 4-4-2. Well you're the manager!! train them, coach them, do something. He said 'If I try 3 in midfield, Andy King doesn't know where to run'. Well tell him! Still, he's a legend for last year, but I'd rather he went then relegated us. It's just such a shame we didn't kick on from the title. I agree with your last paragraph....if things start to really go to shit I'd rather we part company with his dignity intact.....I'd hate for him to become the villain.
MPH Posted 27 December 2016 Author Posted 27 December 2016 28 minutes ago, jim5000 said: Thing is, if you credit Raneiri with last seasons success (which would hardly be unfair), you also have to point to him for the current Still, he's a legend for last year, but I'd rather he went then relegated us. It's just such a shame we didn't kick on from the title. Thats is an interesting point... would he be remembered as the manager who won us the title if he was the manager who got us relegated the season after? thats not an accolade I'd wish on anyone... can't be many managers who have won the league and got the team relegated the season after..
Freeman's Wharfer Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 I went undecided because it's such a tough one... I'd never abuse the guy or call for his head at a match but he has to be held accountable for the here and now. Accountability keeps standards high and I feel that's almost the problem; are the likes of Vardy and Mahrez being held accountable for their poor standards this season? And is Ranieri accountable for his decisions? There's no doubt we wouldn't have won it without Ranieri. Never before have I seen a Leicester City manager win matches with his decisions like he did last season (half time at Watford in a tight game, who else in the stadium would have called a half time introduction of King and Schlupp?) but he was also fortunate to inherit a squad in great form and spirit with a great set up behind the scenes. Now that's ebbed away with the title hangover and the movement away from that core with the signings we all felt we needed to make to kick on, is he the man to turn it round? I'm not so sure. His persistence with 442 irks me - since the second week of the season it's been painfully obvious that it doesn't work without Kante. I was amazed we didn't sign at least one top class central defender in the summer. And I question if he has the ability to be ruthless with the players that served him so well last year but are letting us all down this year. All in all, he deserves more time. But if we come through the Boro and West Ham games with anything less than 2 points then the writing will be on the wall. If it comes to that I just hope it's done in a dignified manner for all concerned.
Milo Posted 27 December 2016 Posted 27 December 2016 On 12/26/2016 at 20:57, toddybad said: If we do pull the trigger at any point then we need to do everything to convince benitez that we'll back him with the cash to make us a top 7 team Oooh, like this idea...
Tielemans63 Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 8 hours ago, Freeman's Wharfer said: I went undecided because it's such a tough one... I'd never abuse the guy or call for his head at a match but he has to be held accountable for the here and now. Accountability keeps standards high and I feel that's almost the problem; are the likes of Vardy and Mahrez being held accountable for their poor standards this season? And is Ranieri accountable for his decisions? There's no doubt we wouldn't have won it without Ranieri. Never before have I seen a Leicester City manager win matches with his decisions like he did last season (half time at Watford in a tight game, who else in the stadium would have called a half time introduction of King and Schlupp?) but he was also fortunate to inherit a squad in great form and spirit with a great set up behind the scenes. Now that's ebbed away with the title hangover and the movement away from that core with the signings we all felt we needed to make to kick on, is he the man to turn it round? I'm not so sure. His persistence with 442 irks me - since the second week of the season it's been painfully obvious that it doesn't work without Kante. I was amazed we didn't sign at least one top class central defender in the summer. And I question if he has the ability to be ruthless with the players that served him so well last year but are letting us all down this year. All in all, he deserves more time. But if we come through the Boro and West Ham games with anything less than 2 points then the writing will be on the wall. If it comes to that I just hope it's done in a dignified manner for all concerned. Great post. Sums up my thinking pretty much word for word - would give more than one rep point if I could. It's painful to see / hear all the stick he's getting but even it's even more painful to see him almost hoping and waiting for something to happen.
Izzet is God Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 21 hours ago, HankMarvin said: Well I think he was qouted as saying the teamtalks took care of them selves, we got off to a winning start, so "tinkering" wasn't a major factor factor in his management. steve Walsh was on the training field along side him and the dugout advising. The team were fairly confindence after a fabulous run at the end of the prior season. The contrasting factors to what he had to do last year and what he has to this year are huge. For all the people saying he took little old Leicester to the title and deserves to stay as long as he wants, it was a team that had lost 4 games in 50 odd games surely on the flip side his making that same team plus investment relegation fodder in 6 months. They say the true test of a manager is when the chips are down and how the players are motivated and bounce back. did hazzard want to perform for mouriniho does mahrez want to perform for CR any longer ? Watching Leicester is like Groundhog Day, the away form has slowly replicated itself at home, how many times must we see the same tired and tested formation and tactics look inept against even the "poorer opposition" the same old sayings after every match are wearing thin. "we must fight" etc etc how about try changing the formation and actually doing what you are paid to do, instead of saying "I ask the players and they are happy and insist on the 4-4-2" Its half a season now how many times have we actually seen good performances thoughout the 90 mins?? I hear what you are saying but to say he had no impact at all last year would be idiotic. Although we are halfway through the season we are in a better position then we were in the 14/15 season so why the sudden urge to get rid? Were so many people asking for pearson's head at the same time or did the majority say give him till the end of the season? I appreciate that due to last seasons success many think we should be higher and performing better. Heck, I don't enjoy us not performing well week in, week out but we have shown glimpses that we are capable enough to stay up. I generally just feel that many of our fans can't be realists and understand that we are not a top prem side yet and that takes years to build not just one miracle season. Our aim this year should purely be stay in the division, go as far as possible in the CL and stabilise a prem status. I personally think sacking CR would be a destructive step for us to take at this moment. The guys a good manager his record speaks for itself. We need stability and not to 'do a swansea' when things weren't apparently going there way when Gary monk was in charge.
Sionnach gorm Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 I understand the frustration with the team, I just don't believe there are better managers out there. Ranieri is amongst the best (just need to see his bio). This crap about terrible second years is a farse. Most of the time he was sacked for being in second place. I'm concerned that we will end up as Swansea who removed Guidolin (an absolutely excellent manager) for a neophyte in Bradley. Ranieri understands relegation battles quite well (Though I don't think we will be in one). To stop this ship now would be a mistake.
HighPeakFox Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 On 12/26/2016 at 20:17, dayday said: January is literally do or die Sorry, it isn't.
sishades Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 quick.,......Bob Bradley is now available....no time to lose......
m4DD0gg Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 All i can say is thank god he won the premier league because his transfer record (and spend) puts Tater peelers in the shade.
HankMarvin Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 8 hours ago, Izzet is God said: I hear what you are saying but to say he had no impact at all last year would be idiotic. Although we are halfway through the season we are in a better position then we were in the 14/15 season so why the sudden urge to get rid? Were so many people asking for pearson's head at the same time or did the majority say give him till the end of the season? I appreciate that due to last seasons success many think we should be higher and performing better. Heck, I don't enjoy us not performing well week in, week out but we have shown glimpses that we are capable enough to stay up. I generally just feel that many of our fans can't be realists and understand that we are not a top prem side yet and that takes years to build not just one miracle season. Our aim this year should purely be stay in the division, go as far as possible in the CL and stabilise a prem status. I personally think sacking CR would be a destructive step for us to take at this moment. The guys a good manager his record speaks for itself. We need stability and not to 'do a swansea' when things weren't apparently going there way when Gary monk was in charge. Wonder how many people would've taken that after last season finished. win the league and have 60 million investment. finish 17th
The Doctor Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 8 hours ago, Izzet is God said: Although we are halfway through the season we are in a better position then we were in the 14/15 season so why the sudden urge to get rid? Were so many people asking for pearson's head at the same time or did the majority say give him till the end of the season? Serious question? So many wanted Nigel gone - here, the post match phone in - both were firmly time up from about Villa (a) in the league
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 Luckily we've not dropped in the bottom three all season, so I think over the course of the season we will be alright. We're capable of a top half finish with this squad, but tactically things need to change. Hopefully those changes will occur. He's an experienced man Ranieri, and boasts an impressive managerial career. Signings will come good.
Legend_in_blue Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 Can someone point us in the direction of the evidence which suggests he can turn this situation around, considering his managerial past of course.
Tuna Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 I hope Claudio uses January to bring in players we actually need, because I think his job depends on it. We have no midfield and no creativity, strikers are getting no service, defence has no protection. Double up on Mahrez and you've got rid of our only creative force. Defend deep and you nullify the long ball threat. We're so easy to beat it's unreal. Ranieir's tactics have been found out, yet he insists on playing the same way despite not having the right players. Kante made that formation work. A lot of pressure going on Ndidi if he's been brought in to be the new Kante and that is a lot of risk going on that one signing who is lets remember still a kid. I feel we need to be more assertive and dominant in matches. I'm sick of the slow starts to matches and the embarassing possession statistics like 35% at home against Everton yesterday. We're champs and its ridiculous. We're not gettting anywhere at the moment with 4-4-2. If the players are insisting on sticking with that formation, Claudio needs to use his experience and judgement to find a different way, because if we continue to play the way we are currently, we will be going down. Get more creative players in, play them further up the park, get rid of 4-4-2. Meanwhile time is going on, we are haemorrhaging points and have gone from exciting to watch to a boring hoofball outfit. Problem is though, we are very nearly at crisis point now. We've been playing this badly for months and nothing ever changes, It's almost as if he's just hoping that it will work. Well, 1 win in 9 says it isn't. With teams around us dismissing their managers left right and centre, there has to become a time when the owners consider sticking or twisting. Personally, looking at our next few fixtures after the New year bank holiday, I don't see many points in there. The next 2 games are the most winnable of the bunch. Failure to obtain maximum points from one of these matches, and I'm struggling to see a way forward. Our owners will not hesitate to make the right call. Sousa was dismissed within a few weeks and Sven was nearly fired after 4 games in his second season, and of course Nigel going after the great escape. The humiliation for the fans and for the owners / King Power in their homeland would be unthinkable and the financial rammifications of relegation crippling to our football club and it cannot, must not be allowed to happen.
MPH Posted 28 December 2016 Author Posted 28 December 2016 39 minutes ago, Legend_in_blue said: Can someone point us in the direction of the evidence which suggests he can turn this situation around, considering his managerial past of course. Err what? Is this a serious post? how about against all the odds, whilst spending much less than any other contender only going and WINNING THE BLOODY PREMIER LEAGUE!
adamlcfcbevo85 Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 11 minutes ago, MPH said: Err what? Is this a serious post? how about against all the odds, whilst spending much less than any other contender only going and WINNING THE BLOODY PREMIER LEAGUE! I hate bringing this up but It's was Nigel Pearsons team who carried that form on once we let go of NP key backroom staff then it's clear to see CR team/tactics/fitness come to light, il never forget that we won the league with him in charge but I've begun to wonder for almost 2 months now if it was entirely down to CR and more down to other staff behind the doors, but a lot of people taking last season success and turning a blind eye to it, if CR stays which is a downward spiral btw, hopefully I'm proved wrong because I don't care about CR and his job I care about My team and it's future hopefully the owners see it this way and get rid!
Legend_in_blue Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 21 minutes ago, MPH said: Err what? Is this a serious post? how about against all the odds, whilst spending much less than any other contender only going and WINNING THE BLOODY PREMIER LEAGUE! Winning the league, joking week in and week out, dilly ding, dilly dong this and that, everything going his way compared to now - a situation at the moment which he appears to have no answer for. In terms of his managerial past, has he ever managed to turn around a situation similar to the one he is in now?
Struwwelpeter60 Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 28 minutes ago, adamlcfcbevo85 said: I hate bringing this up but It's was Nigel Pearsons team who carried that form on once we let go of NP key backroom staff then it's clear to see CR team/tactics/fitness come to light, Could you, please, repeat that in plain English?
Chelve84 Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 Although we are halfway through the season we are in a better position then we were in the 14/15 season so why the sudden urge to get rid? Were so many people asking for pearson's head at the same time or did the majority say give him till the end of the season? yes but he has spunked 60million on shite. We never spent that in 14/15
Bunyip Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 For goodness sakes, last season was last season. It has no bearing on what is going on now. Forget it , keep it in your heart and memory for ever but it won't stop us from being relegated will it ? We are just 3 points from a relegation spot, if that doesn't worry you then nothing will. It is clear to most fans that we are a shadow of the team we were last season and for whatever reason the buck stops with the manager. This was always going to be the season when we would find out the true Ranieri and we have found out . The same tactical formation week in week out when most fans can see it's not working. Puzzling substitutes ( taking Gray off for instance against Everton ) and worse of all the post match interview with Ranieri . Saying we have played well when we all know we have played bl*ody awful and other such nonsensical comments. What we should have been hearing was , I know where the problem is and I can assure the fans I will sort this mess out . He is on borrowed time . I only hope he can turn it around as soon as possible or it will be too late for a new manager to stop the rot.
Corky Posted 28 December 2016 Posted 28 December 2016 Yes it was a lot of Nigel Pearson's team and also Claudio Ranieri's management that won the title. It is possible for a manager to be great one season and not so great the next.
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