Babylon Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 1 minute ago, Gerard said: Same as Brady, 25 tomorrow and if Dyche gets him his last three PL clubs will have been Hull, Norwich and Burnley, that says it all. Just because a team is at the bottom, doesn't mean all of their players are rubbish. Just as it didn't when we were at the bottom. There is a reason teams keep buying him, whilst others remain at those clubs. Because he was one of their better players. Brady won't take us to the next level. I'd much rather us invest in a young up and coming player than a tried and tested bottom half PL player. We already have several young "up and coming" players on the wing, and several that blow hot and cold, I'd rather we're not over loaded with that sort of player. Also, it could be argued that signing those sorts of players is exactly what took is to the next level in the first place. The unit, over individuals. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said: I don't think thats the expectation - look at our interest and cash spent in players under 24 - we potentially are trying to pull off a Southampton so when our Vardy's leave or lose their pace and Mahrez goes to Barca (In his dreams it'll be PSG or Arsenal) we have good young players ready to step up. I think Brady is a stop gap for a couple of years - a bridge to facilitating the youth coming through and being the number 2 choice backup squad player. If you sign the best young players they can come in and hit the ground running like I expect Ndidi to do so. We're in a great position to buy these type of players as we're cash rich but not expected to challenge for CL qualification, we can literally go out and buy the best young talent in world football that aren't wanted by the mega clubs. For me there is little risk in buying these type of players when survival is the year on year target but you have aspirations of competing with the mega clubs. Brady is like signing Albrighton for £10m IMO. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
BenTheFox Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 I really don't see why we need him. Spending £10m + on a player that we don't need instead of spending it a player we do need just echoes the mistakes of the summer transfer window. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 7 minutes ago, Babylon said: Just because a team is at the bottom, doesn't mean all of their players are rubbish. Just as it didn't when we were at the bottom. There is a reason teams keep buying him, whilst others remain at those clubs. Because he was one of their better players. We already have several young "up and coming" players on the wing, and several that blow hot and cold, I'd rather we're not over loaded with that sort of player. Also, it could be argued that signing those sorts of players is exactly what took is to the next level in the first place. The unit, over individuals. I disagree, if we sign 25 year olds who have been bang average at this level for £10m then don't expect us to be anything but bang average ourselves. If he was coming here on a Bosman or if we were severely lacking in numbers in his position then I can accept that but the truth is we have an abundance of players in his position and he isn't a big enough upgrade (if at all) to justify spending £10m on him. I was happy for us to sign Hernandez in the summer even though I suspected he wouldn't be good enough to challenge the first team but he was free and we lacked numbers in that position so I thought it was good business. I remember when Benalouane was bought and I said that looked like a terrible signing as his stats were poor, he was 28 and cost good money and you defended it. Well Brady has a similar feel for me. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trav Le Bleu Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 1 minute ago, Gerard said: I disagree, if we sign 25 year olds who have been bang average at this level for £10m then don't expect us to be anything but bang average ourselves. If he was coming here on a Bosman or if we were severely lacking in numbers in his position then I can accept that but the truth is we have an abundance of players in his position and he isn't a big enough upgrade (if at all) to justify spending £10m on him. I was happy for us to sign Hernandez in the summer even though I suspected he wouldn't be good enough to challenge the first team but he was free and we lacked numbers in that position so I thought it was good business. I remember when Benalouane was bought and I said that looked like a terrible signing as his stats were poor, he was 28 and cost good money and you defended it. Well Brady has a similar feel for me. Bang average is mid-table, which I'd take right now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoyFox Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 Was originally against this but then realised Slimani's head is a magnet for his type of LW crosses. He'd be happy to sit on the bench and rotate, direct Schlupp replacement. We can go for the 'Worldy' winger when we collect £40m for Mahrez in the summer. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Firegrande Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 No thanks, bog average player at best, should be aiming much higher than him! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 6 minutes ago, Gerard said: If you sign the best young players they can come in and hit the ground running like I expect Ndidi to do so. We're in a great position to buy these type of players as we're cash rich but not expected to challenge for CL qualification, we can literally go out and buy the best young talent in world football that aren't wanted by the mega clubs. For me there is little risk in buying these type of players when survival is the year on year target but you have aspirations of competing with the mega clubs. Brady is like signing Albrighton for £10m IMO. And thats where we differ! In this market Albrighton is worth £10 million! I think we are signing some good promising future talent and will continue to do so - I just think we need some back up stability to come off the bench. I get what you are saying but it's not an overnight process - If we get a player like Cafu I see Brady being a number 2 to him too but we do need players who will fill a void and not moan and leave when they are not first choice. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 6 minutes ago, Swan Lesta said: And thats where we differ! In this market Albrighton is worth £10 million! I think we are signing some good promising future talent and will continue to do so - I just think we need some back up stability to come off the bench. I get what you are saying but it's not an overnight process - If we get a player like Cafu I see Brady being a number 2 to him too but we do need players who will fill a void and not moan and leave when they are not first choice. I just think it's always a mistake (unless there is mitigating circumstances) to buy players who are 25 years old for £10m who aren't an upgrade on what is already at the club. Players bought should fall into one of three categories in ideal circumstances: 1) Better than what you have 2) Young with potential 3) Squad fillers but they must be cheap. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Nick Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 Just now, Gerard said: I just think it's always a mistake (unless there is mitigating circumstances) to buy players who are 25 years old for £10m who aren't an upgrade on what is already at the club. Players bought should fall into one of three categories in ideal circumstance: 1) Better than what you have 2) Young with potential 3) Squad fillers but they must be cheap. Okay so I think thats a reasonable criteria - fair play.... but..... 1) He is better than Schlupp and arguably more suited to our needs as he's a winger that can cross and deliver set pieces. 2) 25 isn't old which means we can put him on a 5 year contract as a squad player filling a stop-gap being our 2nd choice cover. 3) To play in the Premier League now and buy a player like this £10 million is what £3.5 million got you two seasons ago - it's what it costs now. We are about to sell a failed striker, mediocre winger and unproven premier league left-back with dodgy positional sense for the same money. I think we have applied your criteria to be fair - it just depends how you look at it buddy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gerard Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 1 minute ago, Swan Lesta said: Okay so I think thats a reasonable criteria - fair play.... but..... 1) He is better than Schlupp and arguably more suited to our needs as he's a winger that can cross and deliver set pieces. 2) 25 isn't old which means we can put him on a 5 year contract as a squad player filling a stop-gap being our 2nd choice cover. 3) To play in the Premier League now and buy a player like this £10 million is what £3.5 million got you two seasons ago - it's what it costs now. We are about to sell a failed striker, mediocre winger and unproven premier league left-back with dodgy positional sense for the same money. I think we have applied your criteria to be fair - it just depends how you look at it buddy. I wasn't saying 25 is old I was just saying that he probably won't improve a considerable amount from here on in. At 25 there's a good chance that you're at your peak. He is better than Schlupp but that doesn't mean we should share our good fortune we got from Palace and give it to Norwich. There's every chance we are just replacing Schlupp like for like with another player destined for little cameos and a bench warmer. One thing is almost certain that players like Brady in our team won't get us to be challenging the top six which is what we should at least aspire to. Brady would be considered surplus at any other top six club but we'll spend £10m on him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Babylon Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 I remember when Benalouane was bought and I said that looked like a terrible signing as his stats were poor, he was 28 and cost good money and you defended it. Well Brady has a similar feel for me. Well first off that's a straight out lie, I thought as much and just trawled the whole thread when he was linked and I expressed absolutely nothing but surprise about signing someone for so much when absolutely nothing stood out in their stats. We had zero contact in the thread, but both suggested we'd give them a chance. 31 minutes ago, Gerard said: I disagree, if we sign 25 year olds who have been bang average at this level for £10m then don't expect us to be anything but bang average ourselves. We won the league signing players who people classed on here as poor or average. I don't forget that even if you might. If he was coming here on a Bosman or if we were severely lacking in numbers in his position then I can accept that but the truth is we have an abundance of players in his position and he isn't a big enough upgrade (if at all) to justify spending £10m on him. £10m is what £3-4m used to be, people need to get used to it because it's only going to get worse. Schlupp is going for £12m, league one wingers £11m, any half decent championship player starts at about £8m. That's just how it is... signing a premier league winning starting 11 for about £15m will never be seen again. Kantes, Mahrez, Vardy type signings are as rare as hens teeth. At the moment I'd say we're very much lacking a winger, as we only have two specialists here who the manager can pick and play there. Kap' can be forgotten about as he's nowhere near. Schlupp will go, Musa will be playing up front and Mahrez has gone to Africa. Plus, bang average is midtable, which is probably all we're ever likely to be without ridiculous amounts of investment. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Realist Guy In The Room Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 Brady is a good player so signing him is a good thing regardless of if he's first choice or not. Schlupp out - Brady in This makes us stronger so we should really all be happy. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest CityFan 06 Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 A replacement for Schlupp I think. Us, Aston Villa and Burnley have all been interested in him. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 2 hours ago, Firegrande said: No thanks, bog average player at best, should be aiming much higher than him! We're 15th mate, get some perspective. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 3 hours ago, Gerard said: If you sign the best young players they can come in and hit the ground running like I expect Ndidi to do so. We're in a great position to buy these type of players as we're cash rich but not expected to challenge for CL qualification, we can literally go out and buy the best young talent in world football that aren't wanted by the mega clubs. For me there is little risk in buying these type of players when survival is the year on year target but you have aspirations of competing with the mega clubs. Brady is like signing Albrighton for £10m IMO. He's a poor man's Albrighton, that's what I don't get. Marc, Mahrez & Gray should all be ahead of him. He's an upgrade on Schlupp but who isn't? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kitchandro Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 28 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: We're 15th mate, get some perspective. We're 15th because we've signed bog average players instead of having some ambition. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
dorsetboy Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 wouldnt mind this tbh albrighton goes missing a lot this season , brady has a great left peg on him for corners,free kicks and hitting slims head . he also fits into our ethic of working his socks of in games sjame he will be away for afcon though Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AmarteyAndChill Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 3 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: We're 15th because we've signed bog average players instead of having some ambition. The players we signed were as high as we could reach? No champions league standard player was going to join us. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxoffderby Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 I'm a fan of Brady. He works hard has a very good cross on him and can score a few goals. He's not had an outstanding season but has played well in the premier when I've seen him. I think he is better than allbrighton and Jeff so why not ? He's also ex Man U and will fit in well with the other lads. Also rated by MON Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Koke Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 Midfield Ndidi Drinkwater Mendy Amartey King Wingers Mahrez Gray Albrighton Musa Kapustka. We are stacked in those positions. Not sure we actually need Brady. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Fox 4 Life Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 2 minutes ago, Koke said: Midfield Ndidi Drinkwater Mendy Amartey King Wingers Mahrez Gray Albrighton Musa Kapustka. We are stacked in those positions. Not sure we actually need Brady. I agree with you but Claudio plays Musa as a striker and doesn't even consider Kaputska in matchday squads so maybe he only sees 3 wingers there Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
hackneyfox Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 19 minutes ago, Koke said: Midfield Ndidi Drinkwater Mendy Amartey King Wingers Mahrez Gray Albrighton Musa Kapustka. We are stacked in those positions. Not sure we actually need Brady. 16 minutes ago, Fox 4 Life said: I agree with you but Claudio plays Musa as a striker and doesn't even consider Kaputska in matchday squads so maybe he only sees 3 wingers there Cross King off the list as well. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
thegaffa Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 Although I'm not bothered if we sign Brady or not, I do think he is more intelligent with the ball ( choosing the right option to cross/pass/shoot etc) and is good at keeping the shape right compared to most of our wingers . so he may not be a star in the mahrez bracket but could be similar to a guppy who was essential to MON side of wide players. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
HoustonFox Posted 13 January 2017 Share Posted 13 January 2017 1 hour ago, foxoffderby said: I'm a fan of Brady. He works hard has a very good cross on him and can score a few goals. He's not had an outstanding season but has played well in the premier when I've seen him. I think he is better than allbrighton and Jeff so why not ? He's also ex Man U and will fit in well with the other lads. Also rated by MON Not sure I agree with that statement, but do agree with everything else you said. I think if he joined, and is willing to be a squad player, he would be a good signing. @Koke - I see where you are going fella. I think that Brady would edge ahead of Kapi, and probably go where Jeff WAS as the start of the season. A versatile bench player. Gray's good form, has given CR a good problem to have though. I just hope he can sustain it. He also looked a little tired at the end of the last couple of games, so we need an option off the bench. Maybe the Fuchs / Chilly option is the left sided plan for when we sub? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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