foxinsocks Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 John Moss seems to be on a run of poor decisions. Surely respect for Refs is two sided... we could all stop calling them out as long as the FA starts to address poor performance. What frustrates me is that refs like Moss can ruin a game and there is no public acknowledgement of their errors... just a quite slap on the wrist. If the FA want respect then they need to show they are able to manage refs and earn the confidence of the fee paying fans.
Fox92 Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 I'm ok with mistakes as long as they are consistent. I can't stand Moss or Mason or Pawson. Clattenburg and Oliver are miles ahead, even if they do make the odd mistake they are only human. Consistently they are better referees. They talk to players instead of just going straight for a card.
Max Wall Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Example? Jon Moss an 'a sample'. Corrected for you
Russell sprout Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Mark clatenberg is the ref tonight isn't he
ramboacdc Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 1 minute ago, Russell sprout said: Mark clatenberg is the ref tonight isn't he yes. Thankfully we aint playing united.
FraserSorensen Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 8 minutes ago, ramboacdc said: yes. Thankfully we aint playing united. I don't know, Clattenburg has been very favourable for us against United in the past!
Russell sprout Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Just saw he is the ref,great choice,best in the business
Benji Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Thought Mossy got the Arsenal/Burney big decisions spot on in fairness. Poor generally, though.
Benguin Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 I don't want to get to a stage where play is so disrupted by pauses to use technology but a video ref for big decisions seems the only way to go at the minute.
Matt Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Anyone see the 1st peno he gave last night? Still trying to work out what he saw.
RowlattsFox Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 He is shit, but he's not helped by footballers being cheating *****. Last night if maguire doesn't throw himself to the ground moss doesn't have a decision to make. A high percentage of bad decisions is because a player has tried to cheat, and I include exaggerating contact as well as diving in that.
gurru991 Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 It has to be one of the toughest jobs in professional sports. All the big sports in the US have video replay in one form or another & the EPL needs video review desperately so the Refs can get some help on game changing decisions .
Super_horns Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 There was a suggestion made a few weeks back that there are less and less top level officials meaning even if somebody does have a rank bad game they generally just get dropped for a weekend and then back into the action but already their mistakes have been highlighted by the media and like Jose/Wenger do brought up by the manager creating more pressure. Then we have Ruud Guilt saying players have to dive to get decisions so that muddles things because naturally we are all bias/going to have different opinions on things. I see no reason why they cannot speak after the game - everyone involved is grown up enough to have a sensible discussion about a decision surely? Would you have teams having 1/2 potential video replay calls like they do in cricket and tennis or just a rugby TMO type system where the decision made is final without argument? (That isn't always 100% correct - I know rugby loves talking about how they demand players respect the officials but there is quite a lot of stick for them after games!)
Koke Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Clattenburg has been quite favourable to us. Gave Vardy a penalty when he dived against United couple of years ago.
Barky Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 53 minutes ago, Benguin said: I don't want to get to a stage where play is so disrupted by pauses to use technology but a video ref for big decisions seems the only way to go at the minute. What if it's inconclusive like many of the big decisions are? I don't think we need more technology, just more competent referees. They'll always get some things wrong, and that's fine, but the level of inconsistency is infuriating. Referees have nothing to do all day every day but learn how to referee, it's absolutely staggering how many times they get obvious things plainly wrong. The FA are a joke as well, their lese majeste style approach to criticism of referees does nothing to improve the standard and their own review process is pitiful. The FA needs gutting from the inside out as a first priority.
StanSP Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 1 hour ago, Benji said: Thought Mossy got the Arsenal/Burney big decisions spot on in fairness. Poor generally, though. Came in to post this. Rubbish referee but in a game with lots of controversy, I thought he did very well. It's a shame for Moss that he gets more decisions incorrect than correct. On the flip side, as we're talking about Clattenburg, I quite like him as a ref. He and Martin Atkinson or Andre Marriner probably the best in the league?
tylesta Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 2 hours ago, Russell sprout said: Mark clatenberg is the ref tonight isn't he my mates the ref tonight
Benguin Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 18 minutes ago, Barky said: What if it's inconclusive like many of the big decisions are? I don't think we need more technology, just more competent referees. They'll always get some things wrong, and that's fine, but the level of inconsistency is infuriating. Referees have nothing to do all day every day but learn how to referee, it's absolutely staggering how many times they get obvious things plainly wrong. The FA are a joke as well, their lese majeste style approach to criticism of referees does nothing to improve the standard and their own review process is pitiful. The FA needs gutting from the inside out as a first priority. Yeah it's obvious when you get to watch replays and hear the commentary. I've been at a game loads where I've missed things right in front of me or sworn blind something happened that did not. Giving refs a little bit more help will only improve the game. I agree the consistency and general standard of referees is pretty appalling though.
Benguin Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 21 minutes ago, Barky said: What if it's inconclusive like many of the big decisions are? I don't think we need more technology, just more competent referees. They'll always get some things wrong, and that's fine, but the level of inconsistency is infuriating. Referees have nothing to do all day every day but learn how to referee, it's absolutely staggering how many times they get obvious things plainly wrong. The FA are a joke as well, their lese majeste style approach to criticism of referees does nothing to improve the standard and their own review process is pitiful. The FA needs gutting from the inside out as a first priority. There's no way to answer this because of how broad that question is. If it's inconclusive a decision can't be given because there is nothing to lead you to the conclusion that you should give that decision would be a good general rule though as with anything there would need to be exceptions.
fuchsntf Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 Honestly..!! The FA is the problem, I dont blame the refs.. Its part of the game that refs and assistants make good and poor descisions.Human error. Stupid FA rules, put them on the front line, to take the hits from the fans. The game of football is inconsistent in it nature. 96% of managers, are twats, when disciplining their own players, worse than cowboys. The players cry and roll around for nothing delibrately v trying to fool YOU and the ref. Many of the managers and players cheat, not all but many.!!! The crowd, the fans are bias, and cant believe on match day that their idols, are the ones making the fouls, its always the others...part of the terraces banter and experience. The wit of the refs and spec-savers, usually because his major hobby off-field makes him blind. Easy target aint he!!! Take this forum alone, we all reckon the other posters have got it wrong, so would I recommend with game-day adrenalin running through our veins and little gray cells, any of us for jury duty....No way. !!! The inconsistency is caused by FA rules, and the actual participants. A refs game is already loaded 60% against him. Mind you its great fun innit, thinking up different chants and r e asons to blame the Ref. Shit people, it would be boring in the pubs after the game, also refs give us an excuse to be moody With our girlfriends or wives, and get away with our own childish antics.
LanguedocFox Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 4 hours ago, Max Wall said: Example? Jon Moss an 'a sample'. Corrected for you Corrected for you...
LanguedocFox Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 3 hours ago, Russell sprout said: Mark clatenberg is the ref tonight isn't he A pedant writes... No. Mark Clattenburg is the ref tonight. And Jon Moss isn't.
Max Wall Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 4 hours ago, LanguedocFox said: Corrected for you... At least my post had an attempt at humour in it, yours is just white noise.
Super_horns Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 4 hours ago, LanguedocFox said: No. Mark Clattenburg is the ref tonight. I agree he is one of the better refs (also a bit young and fitter looking which must help) Palace fans hate him though - they were calling him all sort of names when we played them over Christmas. Then he gave us a penalty and booked Zaha for diving! Maybe an example of a ref actually going against a side for a reason!
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