Babylon Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Yes they aren't playing well and yes they are at fault for goals. But lets actually compare them against others over the last 10 games. We've conceded 17 goals, that's less than Sunderland, Bournemouth, Palace, Hull, Swansea. The same as Stoke and 1 less than Watford and Southampton. Arsenal and Man City have conceded 14 goals over the same number of games. On the flip side, we've only scored 7 goals, the only team with worse than that is Boro' with 6. Palace have scored 1 more with 8 and Sunderland 3 more with 10. Perhaps we can spread the love hate around the others as well?
stripeyfox Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 We can't defend and create virtually no chances and score even fewer. It's not a good combination...
Max Power Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Part of the problem with the attack lies with the defence also imo. When they all just hoof the ball aimlessly forward we can never build any sustainable attack. If indivudal attackers are struggling we at least have other options to replace them with. We are stuck with the old, creaky backline every single game beucase we have no-one else and their performances are actually getting worse. All four have turned in at least two genuine 1/10 perforamnces in the past four weeks. The whole team is rotten.
Countryfox Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: Yes they aren't playing well and yes they are at fault for goals. But lets actually compare them against others over the last 10 games. We've conceded 17 goals, that's less than Sunderland, Bournemouth, Palace, Hull, Swansea. The same as Stoke and 1 less than Watford and Southampton. Arsenal and Man City have conceded 14 goals over the same number of games. On the flip side, we've only scored 7 goals, the only team with worse than that is Boro' with 6. Palace have scored 1 more with 8 and Sunderland 3 more with 10. Perhaps we can spread the love hate around the others as well? Fair enough but we have options in attack and might find a scoring combination ... at the back, (especially CB), we are very, very light and those old legs will buckle.
norwichfox Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Whilst the OP softens the blow a little, the cold fact is that we have to win or draw games to get points, and we just don't seem capable of doing it in the PL. Kind of looking forward to the Derby match in the hope that we can score a few and get things ticking over again on the goals for column.
Bayfox Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Gonna need a big case, where you want me to send it too? May weigh a bit with those 2 big lumps in it. How much do you think the Chinese will pay for Fuchs and Simpson?
Gerard Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 19 minutes ago, Babylon said: Yes they aren't playing well and yes they are at fault for goals. But lets actually compare them against others over the last 10 games. We've conceded 17 goals, that's less than Sunderland, Bournemouth, Palace, Hull, Swansea. The same as Stoke and 1 less than Watford and Southampton. Arsenal and Man City have conceded 14 goals over the same number of games. On the flip side, we've only scored 7 goals, the only team with worse than that is Boro' with 6. Palace have scored 1 more with 8 and Sunderland 3 more with 10. Perhaps we can spread the love hate around the others as well? Clutching at more straws than Worzel Gummidge having a wank.
Babylon Posted 6 February 2017 Author Posted 6 February 2017 1 minute ago, Gerard said: Clutching at more straws than Worzel Gummidge having a wank. And yet the stats say the other end of the pitch is a much bigger problem currently.
Gerard Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Just now, Babylon said: And yet the stats say the other end of the pitch is a much bigger problem currently. Both ends are a problem. Scoring so few goals doesn't mask how flimsy we are defensively.
Babylon Posted 6 February 2017 Author Posted 6 February 2017 Just now, Gerard said: Both ends are a problem. Scoring so few goals doesn't mask how flimsy we are defensively. I didn't say it did. But all I keep reading is how bad the defence is without much comment on how little we're managing to do going forwards.
lcfcsnow Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 More often than not attacks start at the back, defenders need to have some sort of ability to pass into midfield. They (one person in particular) are gifting the ball back to the opposition to score against them time after time after time.
cc_star Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Anyone who looks at defenders alone as a source for a leaky defence knows nothing about football We don't put the workrate in all over the pitch, players have gotten away with this all over the pitch, all season - A change in manager is the 1st step in sorting it We don't score goals either, this isn't just the strikers fault, it's the fault of the team's workrate & the manager is responsible
Gerard Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 3 minutes ago, Babylon said: I didn't say it did. But all I keep reading is how bad the defence is without much comment on how little we're managing to do going forwards. Well i agree on that, Vardy has been poor but in his defence he gets next to nothing in service. It's a recipe for disaster when the two biggest concerns is you can't score goals and you can't stop conceding them.
Babylon Posted 6 February 2017 Author Posted 6 February 2017 4 minutes ago, lcfcsnow said: More often than not attacks start at the back, defenders need to have some sort of ability to pass into midfield. They (one person in particular) are gifting the ball back to the opposition to score against them time after time after time. We were one of the highest scorers in the league last season with the exact same players. You look at the stats and Morgan is being forced to make more passes this year than he was last season, which suggest he's being forced into spending more time on the ball. Is this through lack of options?
ZeGuy Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Lialbilities the whole season. They're also part of the attacking problem because of their constant aimless hoofballs, tiring our attacking players and systematically destroying any attempt to go through the midfield. Not that the midfield has been particularly brillant either. But all the love they're becoming is deserved and should of have gotten it way before.
AKCJ Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 The attack is the main reason we're in the shit right now but we won't pick up any points when the defence is making 3/4 glaring errors against Premier League opposition per game. We're at a point where we need 2 goals to win a game and we haven't scored in weeks.
shen Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 35 minutes ago, Babylon said: And yet the stats say the other end of the pitch is a much bigger problem currently. It always was in my view. I can live with conceding a few if we create and score chances too (like the Derby game). When we're on the front foot, we tend to defend better too.
Wilson_6 Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: Yes they aren't playing well and yes they are at fault for goals. But lets actually compare them against others over the last 10 games. We've conceded 17 goals, that's less than Sunderland, Bournemouth, Palace, Hull, Swansea. The same as Stoke and 1 less than Watford and Southampton. Arsenal and Man City have conceded 14 goals over the same number of games. On the flip side, we've only scored 7 goals, the only team with worse than that is Boro' with 6. Palace have scored 1 more with 8 and Sunderland 3 more with 10. Perhaps we can spread the love hate around the others as well? Good point well made.
Bablemikey Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 I don't believe that its as black and white as its all the defence or attacks fault. The entire team is totally bereft of confidence and are making mistakes in all areas of the pitch. For e.g. an attack that breaks down often leaves us exposed at the back or the inability to pass and lack of ball retention leads to very heavy legs from constantly chasing, and that leads to basic errors like we saw with the 3rd goal yesterday. For maybe 30-40 mins we showed signs yesterday, and especially after the little clash between Vardy & Bailly after that great Nididi pass, that the fight & aggression that was our signature last year was within touching distance. The players need to find it themselves to recapture that on Sunday against the Swans. If we can do that for 90 mins and score first we'll take all 3 points.
Fox Ulike Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: Yes they aren't playing well and yes they are at fault for goals. But lets actually compare them against others over the last 10 games. We've conceded 17 goals, that's less than Sunderland, Bournemouth, Palace, Hull, Swansea. The same as Stoke and 1 less than Watford and Southampton. Arsenal and Man City have conceded 14 goals over the same number of games. On the flip side, we've only scored 7 goals, the only team with worse than that is Boro' with 6. Palace have scored 1 more with 8 and Sunderland 3 more with 10. Perhaps we can spread the love hate around the others as well? OK but i think our expectations are rightly a bit higher than Hull or Bournemouth's. But OK it's not specifically the defence's fault. But rather, teams know that our defenders are poor on the ball, and so they allow them to have space and possession, and so close our midfielders and attackers down. So it's not a case of dropping the defenders just because they have been poor, but because we need defenders who can support the attack too. Everybody knows our style of play now, and every team knows how to counter it. So we need to change it. Us turning up at Swansea with two full-backs (Albrighton/Chilwell?) who can attack and overlap might make us less predictable.
Guest ttfn Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 hour ago, AKCJ said: The attack is the main reason we're in the shit right now but we won't pick up any points when the defence is making 3/4 glaring errors against Premier League opposition per game. We're at a point where we need 2 goals to win a game and we haven't scored in weeks. Unfortunately we're at a point where we need 4 goals to win a game.
Kitchandro Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 It's not about blaming the attack or the defence, the team is supposed to be just that. A machine where all the parts work in sync. Last season the machine ran perfectly. We let teams have the ball out wide, and if they crossed it Morgan or Huth would head it clear. When they came into central positions we had several midfielders converging on them at once, not leaving the centre backs exposed. When we won the ball back, we broke quickly and in numbers. Now we have no plan and the machine is just a bunch of metal parts lying on the floor.
chicagofox Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 Oh make no mistake about it. Every part of the team is shitting the bed right now.
reynard Posted 6 February 2017 Posted 6 February 2017 1 hour ago, Babylon said: Yes they aren't playing well and yes they are at fault for goals. But lets actually compare them against others over the last 10 games. We've conceded 17 goals, that's less than Sunderland, Bournemouth, Palace, Hull, Swansea. The same as Stoke and 1 less than Watford and Southampton. Arsenal and Man City have conceded 14 goals over the same number of games. On the flip side, we've only scored 7 goals, the only team with worse than that is Boro' with 6. Palace have scored 1 more with 8 and Sunderland 3 more with 10. Perhaps we can spread the love hate around the others as well? That is interesting. Bournemouth are certainly conceding for fun. Sadly it is the back, middle and front where our problems lie.
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