Clever Fox Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 23 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: It's not as simple as just getting promoted again. We will lose all our best players and left with the dead wood. We'd be lucky to get play offs. I take your point, But best of our players are on long term Contracts. Gray Ndidi Mendy Mahrez Slim Musa Vardy Kasper Albrighton Chilwell. hope i havent missed anyone. However it is getting harder to win the Championship. But I'd be more than confident that we'd be back up quickly. Anyway we're here now in the Prem so lets stay up. But I think we could do well in the FA cup. Whereas we have no more that the proverbial Snowballs chance of winning the EU Champ.
Izzy Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 I hate the fact we still own the record of the most FA Cup final appearances without winning it. We'll only truly 'complete' English football when we've won it. It's always eluded us and I'm desperate for us to win it in my lifetime. However much it's been devalued since the PL started, it's still the oldest, biggest and most prestigious domestic cup competition in the world.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 31 minutes ago, Clever Fox said: I take your point, But best of our players are on long term Contracts. Gray Ndidi Mendy Mahrez Slim Musa Vardy Kasper Albrighton Chilwell. hope i havent missed anyone. However it is getting harder to win the Championship. But I'd be more than confident that we'd be back up quickly. Anyway we're here now in the Prem so lets stay up. But I think we could do well in the FA cup. Whereas we have no more that the proverbial Snowballs chance of winning the EU Champ. Albrighton will stay, hopefully no one will really know Ndidi and same with Chilwell. The rest will leave out of the people's you've listed.
Skippy Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 I’m just wondering how much opinions are skewed over this poll simply because we're currently SUCCEEDING at staying in the cup and horribly FAILING in the league. It’s understandable if people are clinging to any positive emotions they’re currently getting this season but I think it’s clouding their judgment on this topic. If we lost to Millwall and the same poll was created would we see the same poll outcome (roughly 50/50) or would a lot of those people who voted ‘win cup with relegation’ then have have a totally different opinion because the positive emotions they are currently feeling from our decent cup run would've vanished and then the only positive feeling to be gained would potentially be from us beating relegation? In my opinion overcoming the challenge to avoid the drop is now greater and would currently be more satisfying than beating the competition in an fa cup run.
Guest Col city fan Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 I think it's got to be staying up because, if we do stay up this season, I think we'll see a real improvement in our long term sustainability. Our young uns will be another year older, with more experience under their belts. We'd surely replace Morgan, Huth and Fuchs and with the 40 mill we got for Slim, from China, we could buy a real class striker. Staying up this season for me is make or break. I think we are on a tightrope here. If we go down, we'll lose some of the best young players we have because I doubt they'd want to stay. So...stay up, improve, then develop a squad capable of winning a cup trophy.
Guest the fox Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 11 hours ago, Voll Blau said: I actually spoke to a Wigan old boy when we played them away a couple of years ago who'd been watching them since they were a Cheshire League side in the 1960s. The pride in his face when he told me about his day at Wembley was a joy to behold. No way on earth he'd have traded that in for the other option. What about wining the actual league, going to the second round of the CL and being a PL side.
Clever Fox Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 27 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said: Albrighton will stay, hopefully no one will really know Ndidi and same with Chilwell. The rest will leave out of the people's you've listed. I think there's a good chance Mahrez will leave. As I said the rest are on long contracts so they can only go if the Club is willing to release them. The Summer will show the level of our ambition. Vardy has become an unsettling influence at the Club. He seems more interested in other things than football and he was never that good anyway. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if he left.
Ian Nacho Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 How can people prefer to win the FA Cup than stay up? Seriously? Some people need their head looked at.
Guest the fox Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 Some People are not putting enough thought in their choice of winning the cup instead of staying up. Yeah, this team would walk the championship but, the problem is all the good players will leave (no disrespect to the ones left) Players that will leave if we are relegated: Kasper,Drinkwater,n'didi,gray,amartey,mahrez,vardy,kapustka,okazaki,slimani,Mendy, Ben,Fuchs,zieler,musa,gray and even huth,Simpson and Albrighton could leave and Leo is already wanting to leave. That leaves: Hamar,Morgan,Benny,was and kingy from this team and that will be a disaster.
Skippy Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 3 minutes ago, gcxttle said: How can people prefer to win the FA Cup than stay up? Seriously? Some people need their head looked at. The weird and wacky mental state of the players has infected some of our fans.
brucey Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 7 minutes ago, Clever Fox said: I think there's a good chance Mahrez will leave. As I said the rest are on long contracts so they can only go if the Club is willing to release them. The Summer will show the level of our ambition. Vardy has become an unsettling influence at the Club. He seems more interested in other things than football and he was never that good anyway. I wouldn't lose any sleep over it if he left. We don't know the details of their contracts. Maybe they all have a relegation release clause for a low transfer fee, like Gueye had. If the players stay (likely to be the CBs, King etc who have been rewarded with new 3 yr deals), their wages aren't sustainable on parachute payments if we don't immediately get re-promoted.
Guest the fox Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 Some guys spent a long time in the championship having the local rivalry with teams such as Derby and forest that they wouldn't really mind going down as long as they can back up any argument with "we won the premier league and the FA cup in just two years, how much time your club took to win the premier league? EXACTLY!, never!" and that is effecting their judgment. I know that a lot of senior fans want to see a FA cup title in their life time but they got a better deal, they saw their team winning the league and that is much better.
Aus Fox Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 Remember if we win the FA Cup that will also mean another season in Europe, more holidays watching the City. That could also help sway some of our young guns to stay. If the top 6 clubs come in for the likes of Gray and Mahrez I feel they will be gone regardless of where we finish in the league. But players who would only attract mid table Premier teams might be persuaded to stay for a crack at the Europa League. This will undoubtedly also give us an advantage in the transfer market over any Championship club. For me football is about winning things. Give us the FA Cup any day, another shot at the Charity Shield and that trip into Europe.
Clever Fox Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 13 minutes ago, brucey said: We don't know the details of their contracts. Maybe they all have a relegation release clause for a low transfer fee, like Gueye had. If the players stay (likely to be the CBs, King etc who have been rewarded with new 3 yr deals), their wages aren't sustainable on parachute payments if we don't immediately get re-promoted. True, But that usually only applies to top players. Players don't get it all their own way when signing Contracts. We'll have to try and offload the CBs either way as their getting too slow. there's also no reason why we cannot keep the Squad on Parachute payments of around 100 Million. At least for 1 Season.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 10 February 2017 Posted 10 February 2017 22 hours ago, the fox said: Staying up is far more important than winning the cup, no doubt about that. A FA cup spot will be there Next year,the year after that and the year after that no matter the level the team is playing at. but, playing against elite teams and having a crack at a European spot can't be done by playing in the championship. Promotion will be there the year after too. Relegation isn't for life. Unless you're a tree!
sylofox Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 2 hours ago, Clever Fox said: I take your point, But best of our players are on long term Contracts. Gray Ndidi Mendy Mahrez Slim Musa Vardy Kasper Albrighton Chilwell. hope i havent missed anyone. However it is getting harder to win the Championship. But I'd be more than confident that we'd be back up quickly. Anyway we're here now in the Prem so lets stay up. But I think we could do well in the FA cup. Whereas we have no more that the proverbial Snowballs chance of winning the EU Champ. Just as the club has looked after itself with relegation clauses so will the players. They will have an easy out for relegation. 1 hour ago, Facecloth said: Fa Cup glory and staying up. I'm greedy. Greedy are you feck. I want the CL as well. Now that's greedy. 27 minutes ago, Trav Le Bleu said: Promotion will be there the year after too. Relegation isn't for life. Unless you're a tree! HM mmm don't be so sure. Many a team like us have gone down and stayed down for years. Leeds Coventry Sheffield Wednesday and the PIGS all as big if not bogger than us. Nothings a given even add the sheep and florets to the list it's nearly endless.
Fox42 Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 15 hours ago, purpleronnie said: Why is just staying in the premiership long term success?. It seems that a generation has been brainwashed to think that just being in the premiership is some kind of huge success. Winning trophies is success. We just won the league, a dream come true. Winning the FA cup is another dream. If we could win it I'll take relegation after that every time. Its ok saying the fa cup will be there every year but so will the premiership. We're talking about winning the FA cup not just competing in it. Its not about "just being in the premiership", it's what being a team in the top division can do to us. We couldn't have won the bleeding thing if we were in the championship! If we maintain our position as a quality premier league side we stand a better chance in winning in the cups. How could you kindly welcome relegation when we could be mixing with the big boys and causing global shockwaves? What has last season taught you? Don't get me wrong, i loved the championship when we were down there and it was fun. The FA Cup would be a highlight as a small fry to watch out for in the season. But that's the thing, we could win the FA Cup if we were in ANY division! It's always there. Ever since the 14/15 great espace I got huge goosebumps when we were causing mini shockwaves around the world, which ended up turning to colossal ones the season after. You also talk about winning trophies is success, so why did no one bat an eyelid when we lost to United at Wembley during the Charity Shield? I was gutted. It was a mirror scenario to Palace's FA Cup final last season. You're contradicting yourself if you didn't think for a second that that Shield wouldn't have been important to us and would've been another chapter in our season.
Skippy Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 Yes an FA cup win would no doubt give supporters something amazing to cheer and gloat about but it appears people have conveniently dismissed what we’re witnessing right now to most of our players (to the entire club i suppose) after experiencing similar highs of last season …the silly sods can’t handle the highs, imagine what winning the fa cup would do to half of them after what’s happened up to now ….then add into mix the negative impact of relegation. It’s just another powder keg situation. Beating the drop and working on stability in the top league is the way forward, lets not go backwards, the cup can wait for another year.
Babylon Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 8 hours ago, the fox said: Some People are not putting enough thought in their choice of winning the cup instead of staying up. Yeah, this team would walk the championship but, the problem is all the good players will leave (no disrespect to the ones left) Players that will leave if we are relegated: Kasper,Drinkwater,n'didi,gray,amartey,mahrez,vardy,kapustka,okazaki,slimani,Mendy, Ben,Fuchs,zieler,musa,gray and even huth,Simpson and Albrighton could leave and Leo is already wanting to leave. That leaves: Hamar,Morgan,Benny,was and kingy from this team and that will be a disaster. Why on earth would be lose a whole squad? Absolutely ridiculous, it doesn't happen to other teams and they are all under contract. If a few did go we're going to get good money. Look at what Norwich and Newcastle got for a couple of players.
Guest ttfn Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 For me the most frustrating thing will be that if we go down we will probably lose all of the regulars from last season except perhaps Morgan and Albrighton. It would just be a massive shame to see that squad not only fail to perform but totally disappear within a year of its greatest achievement. It would also be really gutting to lose Gray and Ndidi so early when they look like they're going to really good players.
limeydale Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 On 2/9/2017 at 19:44, ozleicester said: The Cup? The poll? The question? Your response? Id take the Cup and relegation in a flash... nearly 50 years of watching that greatest of cup competitions I want my club to win it... Having won the 1st division, the FA Cup is the next biggest domestic prize. And just think of all the clubs that we could sing... "FA cup winners, youll never sing that"..to The poll The question And my response
aussie-fox Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 its always been my dream to see Leicester City win the FA Cup before i die but i would never want us to be relegated and win the cup. horrible.
volpeazzurro Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 9 hours ago, gcxttle said: How can people prefer to win the FA Cup than stay up? Seriously? Some people need their head looked at. No, it's called personal opinion and we're all entitled to one. Just because you weighed up the pros and cons and come up with a particular conclusion doesn't mean your right, that's called arrogance. You like everyone are no expert. Different people have different priorities and telling people they need their heads testing shows how pretentious you are.
SemperEadem Posted 11 February 2017 Posted 11 February 2017 Would hate to be like a Stoke just there making up the numbers in the prem.
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