Fa Cup glory with relegation or stay up with no cup

[Ted Maul]

How on earth is stay up with no trophy winning this? What would we be staying up for- the rare chance to win a trophy?

[Voll Blau]

I think the 17th>Cup brigade forget the way a Cup run can breed a winning mentality. OK, unlikely to be the same side out tomorrow but I'm genuinely feeling a bit more optimistic about our chances tomorrow because of Wednesday. 

 

Going out and losing to Millwall would do our survival hopes absolutely no good whatsoever. 

 

And yes, before you ask, I did consult with 100 Portsmouth fans and 100 Wigan fans and they all agree with me on this point.

[GloverFox]

Money isn't everything ... FA Cup win would be a big as the Premier League win for me .... just a personal opinion you understand ... no lectures and getting bent out of shape, yes, I realise the financial implications are huge ... 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

I'd prefer my club to win the oldest domestic trophy in the world than finish 17th every year. What's the point in football if you never win anything. 

[Clever Fox]

10 hours ago, sylofox said:

Just as the club has looked after itself with relegation clauses so will the players. They will have an easy out for relegation.

Greedy are you feck. I want the CL as well. Now that's greedy.

HM mmm don't be so sure. Many a team like us have gone down and stayed down for years. Leeds Coventry Sheffield Wednesday and the PIGS all as big if not bogger than us.

 

Nothings a given even add the sheep and florets to the list it's nearly endless.

I totally agree with you. Nothing is a given. the big difference though is we have Money where most of them were struggling financially at the time of their relegation. While our Owners still retain the desire to achieve success we will be ok. Although I do accept it takes a special Manager to achieve success from the Championship. It's so difficult.

As for the players, They can only leave if the Club allow them. They signed long term Contracts because they wanted security. They cant just change their mind if they get themselves relegated.

 

Lets kick on tomorrow with a win and secure our safety ASAP.

[justfoxes]

Its written in a script somewhere in Hollywood bloody conspiracy theories and you can just here that blokes voice booming in a  Film  description to advertise the Movie  !!

 

"Jamie Vardy a story from Rags to Riches with his band of unwanted Souls defying the Odds taking on the big boys and beating them to Submission Taking Little Leicester City to the English champions Crown !"

 

"Then struggle to find a win the following season going from Champs to Chumps Still they refuse to lie down  then mid February V Swansea the fight back returns they refuse to lay down going on from strength to strength for another famous Escape Avoiding relegation !"

 

"But the story doesn't stop there as they progress in the famous  FA cup to Wembley coming through a battle of paramount proportions winning the FA cup then going on to progress to the Semis of the Champions League what Happens there well that's another story !"

"TO BE CONTINUED !!!!!"

 

Who Knows they said at 5000/1 that it would never happen so who's to say it won't?

Apologies for the drivel bored in a spare five min at work !!

[sylofox]

13 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

I totally agree with you. Nothing is a given. the big difference though is we have Money where most of them were struggling financially at the time of their relegation. While our Owners still retain the desire to achieve success we will be ok. Although I do accept it takes a special Manager to achieve success from the Championship. It's so difficult.

As for the players, They can only leave if the Club allow them. They signed long term Contracts because they wanted security. They cant just change their mind if they get themselves relegated.

 

Lets kick on tomorrow with a win and secure our safety ASAP.

As I said it looks like the club have inserted relegation clauses. So the players agents will have to. If prem clubs come in after relegation we will have to let them go. Ffs we could not keep Kante as champions you think the rats won't be off after relegation.

[Raj]

Would normally say FA Cup win and relegation as you can't call yourself a big club until you ein the FA Cup.

BUT then I look at Wigan Athletic........

[Max Wall]

12 hours ago, Col city fan said:

I think it's got to be staying up because, if we do stay up this season, I think we'll see a real improvement in our long term sustainability. Our young uns will be another year older, with more experience under their belts. We'd surely replace Morgan, Huth and Fuchs and with the 40 mill we got for Slim, from China, we could buy a real class striker.

Staying up this season for me is make or break. I think we are on a tightrope here. If we go down, we'll lose some of the best young players we have because I doubt they'd want to stay.

So...stay up, improve, then develop a squad capable of winning a cup trophy.

Have to disagree. CR will play Huth, Morgan and Fuchs blindly all next season. Kaputska, Gray and Lawrence will be farmed out because they are still 'not ready' for a full premier league season and we will sign 5 new wingers from the Ecclefechan U19's for the future. Vardy will do a Vinnie, retire and go to hollywood and, sensibly, Riyad and Kasper will move on.

Given this, I'd take the cup win.

[Ted Maul]

24 minutes ago, Raj said:

Would normally say FA Cup win and relegation as you can't call yourself a big club until you ein the FA Cup.

BUT then I look at Wigan Athletic........

I've heard plenty of Pompey fans say their FA Cup win and final appearance were worth all the shite now they've stabilised, never mind Wigan (who are still punching above their historical weight)

[sylofox]

1 hour ago, Raj said:

Would normally say FA Cup win and relegation as you can't call yourself a big club until you ein the FA Cup.

BUT then I look at Wigan Athletic........

And chaventry

[Fox42]

2 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

I'd prefer my club to win the oldest domestic trophy in the world than finish 17th every year. What's the point in football if you never win anything. 

That's not the question. That's your assumption. Those that voted for staying up with no FA Cup obviously had the view of club progression in their minds. 17th every year, as you say, is not that. That defies the reasoning behind everyone who voted staying up, including myself.

[hejammy]

For me it's a stupid question. Staying up means more money and thus more chance of success. We get relegated and I feel we would fall into the abyss with possibly our only chance of a cup being the JPT. We do NOT want to be the next Leeds United

[Sol thewall Bamba]

26 minutes ago, hejammy said:

For me it's a stupid question. Staying up means more money and thus more chance of success. We get relegated and I feel we would fall into the abyss with possibly our only chance of a cup being the JPT. We do NOT want to be the next Leeds United

So you would want the CHANCE of success, over ACTUAL success? 

[Voll Blau]

6 hours ago, Raj said:

Would normally say FA Cup win and relegation as you can't call yourself a big club until you ein the FA Cup.

BUT then I look at Wigan Athletic........

Think it's been a devalued competition since Clapham Rovers, Royal Engineers, and Old Etonians won it.

[hejammy]

4 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So you would want the CHANCE of success, over ACTUAL success? 

I'm saying I'd rather have the chance of long term success opposed to one year of success and then dropping divisions and never having a chance of anything for the next 10,20,30 years. The gulf between the premier league is bigger than ever and that's not going to get any smaller.

[Sol thewall Bamba]

39 minutes ago, hejammy said:

I'm saying I'd rather have the chance of long term success opposed to one year of success and then dropping divisions and never having a chance of anything for the next 10,20,30 years. The gulf between the premier league is bigger than ever and that's not going to get any smaller.

What do you define as long term success though? Winning trophies I assume.

[Stadt]

Staying up doesn't mean we'll never win anything ever again nor does going down mean we're never going to get promoted again. Plenty of clubs have gone down and struggled but that doesn't mean we have to.

[hejammy]

1 hour ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

What do you define as long term success though? Winning trophies I assume.

Yes trophies! Not just one trophy then go into the abyss

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

I've been thinking about this and I don't want to choose. If we get past millwall that's three games to final. If we get knocked out because we play a weakened team that will be a what if all summer. On the other hand, if we win the cup but go down, that will put a downer on the first fa cup in this clubs history. We need 19 points in the league and there's four games left in the cup. If we are considering winning it, why can't we compete in both?

[Viva]

43 minutes ago, hejammy said:

Yes trophies! Not just one trophy then go into the abyss

The question doesn't say what our long term future will be. The odds would be that if we stay up, we'll finish in the bottom half of the Premier League next season. If we go down we'll be the favourites to come straight back up. 

 

So there would be a fair chance that in 1-2 years time we could be back in the Prem and at a similar level to where we would be if we stay up this season. The big difference is we would win a trophy we hadn't won before in our history! 

 

Even with staying up this season, there is still far more chance of us being relegated in the future before winning another trophy. Why not take one while we can.

[volpeazzurro]

7 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

So you would want the CHANCE of success, over ACTUAL success? 

Absolutely!  There is, I admit, a big part of me that says 'grab it while you can '! We're the Premiership Champions now and nobody, whatever big club predudice they may have, can take it away. Not only that,  the stats in 20yrs time will show that we whooped the opposition by a whopping 10 points. People won't know of those jealous false murmurings that it was due to a weak league that year, what a load of bollocks that was anyway, we were magnificent!

 

People and stats never remember a hard working talented 15th or something place, but an FA cup win is there forever also. Real fans are there forever. Even if we do stay up (and I think we will), how many of our current crop of players are looking to jump ship for whatever reason asap. Clubs like us are always destined for a fragile future.

[drofmor55]

I remember when Steve Walsh lifted the League cup trophy at the top of the 39 steps at the old Wembley about a year before it was  demolished. The first time we had done that in our history. We nearly never got to see that happen. Give me a similar memory re the FA cup anyday.