smudger63 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 9 minutes ago, Babylon said: He's the manager, he might not have hens picked every player. But he sure as hell would be involved in what positions and what type of player he wanted. Did he but a 10, no. New right back, no. Quality CB, no. Three positions almost everyone highlighted as needing looking at preseason. The type of players we brought in, mostly didn't seem to fit in terms of style for what we needed. Mendy was nothing like Kante, never been a ball winner so why buy him. Why buy Slimani when we didn't play with a big man and had Ulloa as back up. Maybe the days of good buys are gone, but least we should expect is a round peg in a round hole. Well we know we were after a cb and a number 10 in the summer and january, but whoevers job it is to make it happen didn't get things done. As regards Slimani and Mendy, they were both wanted by the club, while Pearson was the manager. Mendy was the preferred target over Kante (unbelievably) but his club wouldn't sell. Slimani, we were after even as far back as our promotion season. None of this means that Ranieri had to have these players of course, i expect he had the final say, but maybe saw fit to trust the recommendations of the club scouting team. Mendy had already played for him however, and so would have been fully aware of his qualities and limitations.
Gazza M Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Surprised so many on here giving it the sentimental feelings of guilt and shame in him going. After Millwall at one point 92% of us wanted him sacked according to the poll that was put on.
Twitcher Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 7 hours ago, limeydale said: Honourable men stick to their word when given. May be I should have said decent. We know how they treat us as fans with some of the little things they do - T-shirts and pre-match meals. What I meant is I'm sure we all know they won't have found the decision easy. They aren't ruthless couldn't give a shit owners like at some clubs. They will be sad about it I'm sure.
Babylon Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 12 minutes ago, smudger63 said: Well we know we were after a cb and a number 10 in the summer and january, but whoevers job it is to make it happen didn't get things done. As regards Slimani and Mendy, they were both wanted by the club, while Pearson was the manager. Mendy was the preferred target over Kante (unbelievably) but his club wouldn't sell. Slimani, we were after even as far back as our promotion season. None of this means that Ranieri had to have these players of course, i expect he had the final say, but maybe saw fit to trust the recommendations of the club scouting team. Mendy had already played for him however, and so would have been fully aware of his qualities and limitations. Mendy was not first pick, Kante was. I don't know where this comes from. Kante was bid on before Ranieri even arrived... it was only after he came we bid for Mendy. Walsh admitted having to convince Ranieri to buy Kante. As for Slimani, we were linked with but never bought him. It's a big difference, keeping track of players is one thing. Signing someone who leads the line to play as a 10 is unfathomable. Rudkin is another story, he's not blameless in all of this. But if a manager thinks it's key to get certain types of player, they should put their foot down... we've bought, we've not been shy in spending. So why could we buy them and not what we got the holes in the squad? The whole thing has been baffling.
Nalis Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 18 minutes ago, Gazza M said: Surprised so many on here giving it the sentimental feelings of guilt and shame in him going. After Millwall at one point 92% of us wanted him sacked according to the poll that was put on. I was one of 8% so still have a sense of smugness Shame on the players, there was a thread recently on whether the league win would be tainted because of relegation but feels tainted after last night even if we stay up. On the flipside, even Alf Ramsey got sacked after winning the World Cup so its not a complete anomaly.
Legend_in_blue Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 The only shame on the club is not pushing this through sooner. The timing is completely off. Other than that, correct decision.
justfoxes Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 I'd really love to know which players went to the board and got Claudio sacked ? its disgraceful after what he did for us last season those players should be embarrassed by their actions both on and off the field !!
Guest Cujek Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 10 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said: The whole football world fvckin seem to hate us right now and desperately want us to be relegated. We've gone from everybody's second favorite club nine months ago, to now being the new Millwall. Sad... This is wh3n we are at our best, when everyone else hates us
smudger63 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 We are also told that the players love Shakespeare, but the reality is, that the sacking of Ranieri will ultimately almost certainly lead to the departure of Shakespeare too.
Rob1742 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 10 hours ago, Wolfox said: I am well aware that I appear to be in the minority on this forum and all the old platitudes will be rolled out "it's a results business" "we're now too big to risk going down" However, there is such a thing as 'doing the right thing', something which I firmly believe in for both my personal and proffesional life. Sacking the man who was fundamental (and no I don't buy the 'he got lucky' argument) in bringing our club the greatest success in our history - the football fairytale - the sporting miracle Is that really doing the right thing? We'll be (correctly in my opinion) viewed as the pariahs of world football... You reap what you sew... there'll be a lot of people saying "serves you right" if we go down... I am not sure I could bring myself to disagree with them I am not sure how I feel about turning up Monday... I'll be there, but, it won't feel right... "Doing the right thing in my personal and professional life" If you kept people in your business for sentimental reasons, you wouldn't have a business. Remind me never to invest in you. He also wasn't fundermental in our success, he was a part of it. It was clearly Pearson's group ethic, club structure and his group of players that won the league. Ranieri kept that together last season, and credit to him for that, but he wasn't the reason we won the league, all the hard work had been done for him. He has succesfully tinkered the team to death this season. Nobody knew from one week to the next where they were playing and putting Musa on the right against Seville showed again that he had not learned his lesson. Musa didn't close the man down for the cross, and boom goal. From being a tight group that knew when to do their next fart, they didn't know whether they were in or out, on the right or the left, or in the centre. No structure, no consistency, no results, no idea. Doing the right thing is spotting when things are going wrong and doing something about it, not about sentiment and hanging on to the past.
Milo Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 10 hours ago, Vacamion said: I still had faith he could keep us up. Based on what, exactly? Obviously this a divisive decision by the club and people like yourself and the OP absolutely have the right to feel aggrieved by it. However, I really think that this was more than a bad patch and that the problems ran deeper. There is no spirit, fight, cohesion, drive, desire, tactical plan, confidence, etc present in the team. Whether it is solely down to the players or not, is the managers job to sort it out. He hasn't, and didn't ever look like like he would, imo.
Jimothy Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 2 hours ago, LCFCSOULBOY said: Are the players? Seems that we are accepting their performances. It also seems Ranieri was. He continued to play them despite poor performances. No club has ever sacked all their players when struggling, but the managers do drop them, they do replace them. He's has had numerous matches and two transfer windows and hasn't done so. He's been given chance to arrest the slide, but shied away from it. The owners have to do what they think is best for the club as a whole. Sentiment never kept a club up, or won it trophies. Ironically sentiment for his players is probably what lost him his job.
AmarteyAndChill Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 1 hour ago, smudger63 said: Well we know we were after a cb and a number 10 in the summer and january, but whoevers job it is to make it happen didn't get things done. As regards Slimani and Mendy, they were both wanted by the club, while Pearson was the manager. Mendy was the preferred target over Kante (unbelievably) but his club wouldn't sell. Slimani, we were after even as far back as our promotion season. None of this means that Ranieri had to have these players of course, i expect he had the final say, but maybe saw fit to trust the recommendations of the club scouting team. Mendy had already played for him however, and so would have been fully aware of his qualities and limitations. Didn't Walsh have to persuade him to get Kantè? Yes. He didn't trust the recruitment team.
smudger63 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Maybe after kante, he did trust them. That was his problem!
Guest Col city fan Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 11 hours ago, Wolfox said: I am well aware that I appear to be in the minority on this forum and all the old platitudes will be rolled out "it's a results business" "we're now too big to risk going down" However, there is such a thing as 'doing the right thing', something which I firmly believe in for both my personal and proffesional life. Sacking the man who was fundamental (and no I don't buy the 'he got lucky' argument) in bringing our club the greatest success in our history - the football fairytale - the sporting miracle Is that really doing the right thing? We'll be (correctly in my opinion) viewed as the pariahs of world football... You reap what you sew... there'll be a lot of people saying "serves you right" if we go down... I am not sure I could bring myself to disagree with them I am not sure how I feel about turning up Monday... I'll be there, but, it won't feel right... The only thing about this thread that surprises me (although actually, it doesn't really if I think about it), is how cheaply so many seem to give away their plus ones, or thumbs up. 'Doing the right thing' for who? Ranieri? The club? The media? The footballing world at large? This post is SO vague, based entirely on emotion, yet gets SO many people agreeing with it... Meh The right thing for the football club is to avoid relegation. If sacking the Don achieves that, then sobeit. Anything else is a side show.
Bob Weasel Fox Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 1 hour ago, Moksky said: Players forced him out Disgusting
Guest Bob Hazels shorts Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Claudio added to the great set-up built and he inherited and gave up a prize we could only ever dream of. But sadly this season he has had to build and it hasn't worked. Delightful man but has sadly reverted back and exposed himself as uninspiring. Interesting to read Sir Gary's comments............... 'Claudio Ranieri is clearly experienced, but this is an uninspired choice by Leicester,' 'It's amazing how the same old names keep getting a go on the managerial merry-go-round.' Roll on a season....................... After all that Claudio Ranieri has done for Leicester City, to sack him now is inexplicable, unforgivable and gut-wrenchingly sad.
norwichfox Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 I didn't see these kind of reactions last season when FT was gloating when Monk and Mourinho were dumped immediately after we had played them. It's a great shame after the year we got under him but Leicester City is in Freefall and Claudio had no solutions, apparently had lost the players, it's still a business and I'd much rather we lose a manager than have the owners walk away through losing too much money. Yes, it leaves a bit of a nasty taste in the mouth, but that's Ranieris fault and the alternatives are much worse. It wouldn't have worked to move him upstairs either (imo) - that's the owners fault for leaving it too late, should have happened before the transfer window was opened.
The Doctor Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 2 minutes ago, Bob Hazels shorts said: Claudio added to the great set-up built and he inherited and gave up a prize we could only ever dream of. But sadly this season he has had to build and it hasn't worked. Delightful man but has sadly reverted back and exposed himself as uninspiring. Interesting to read Sir Gary's comments............... 'Claudio Ranieri is clearly experienced, but this is an uninspired choice by Leicester,' 'It's amazing how the same old names keep getting a go on the managerial merry-go-round.' Roll on a season....................... After all that Claudio Ranieri has done for Leicester City, to sack him now is inexplicable, unforgivable and gut-wrenchingly sad. Almost like no-one saw last season coming and that he did wonders no-one expected. The pundits in general can do one but it's not like linekers comments were two faced - people change their views, and justifiably so
indierich06 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 Honestly it's almost like a lot of people have some kind of inferiority complex, and think that we should stick with Ranieri and let him take us down because 'little old Leicester' had no business winning the Premier League in the first place. Well sod that. We've squandered probably the best chance we've ever had to become an established top flight club, and a lot of that is down to the manager - not all of it, but he has to shoulder a lot of the blame. Do you think sides like Man U, Man City, Arsenal, Chelsea, Liverpool et al would have any hesitation in sacking a manager who had them entrenched in a relegation battle? Of course not. They wouldn't have even let it get this far. So many fans still stuck in this small team mentality, that we should accept this dreadful season purely because we won the league the season before and the manager should get a free pass to do what he likes. We won the league last season because we deserved it. Why should we meekly accept such a drastic transformation in our fortunes? Claudio achieved a miracle here last season, and I will always love the man for it, but for all the good he did last year, he's done as much damage this year. I am - first and foremost - a fan of Leicester City Football Club, and I want the people running our club to make decisions based on what will bring the most success to our club. Thankfully they have acted and given us a chance to stay up, as well as saving Ranieri's reputation from complete ruin by taking a team to a title to relegation in 12 months.
Vacamion Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 1 hour ago, Milo said: Based on what, exactly? It's all moot now, but we were above the bottom three, I still saw some signs of fight on Wednesday and I hoped that Claudio could steer us to safety.
TrentFox Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 2 hours ago, Moksky said: Players forced him out So the board listened to the players? Well, some of the players are allegedly keen on NP returning - something the owners are presumably steadfastly against, still. Will they listen to the players on that too?
yorkie1999 Posted 24 February 2017 Posted 24 February 2017 We are chelsea last season. Manager won the league, players wouldn't play for him, just above the relegation zone, Mourinho sacked. No-one was slating abramavich. There was no shame then. We all feel sorry it has come to this but it is what it is.
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