Where is Nampalys Mendy??

[Koke]

Let's give the lad a clean slate. Hopefully with a good pre season under him he can do well for us next season. Same goes for the other new signings.

[Thracian]

On 01/05/2017 at 15:26, CityFan 06 said:

I still think Musa could be an effective player for us, but you can tell when he's played he has lost some confidence going forward which is a shame. Against Hull first game of the season, Tottenham away and Crystal Palace at home, he has looked more the player we signed from CSKA Moscow. At present, he looks a different player from his CSKA days.

 

Mendy is a good player aswell, but we haven't seen much of him this season with his injury. I can't really see either of Musa or Mendy staying but I'm confident they will go elsewhere and have similar impacts as Kramaric did with Hoffenheim - they have qualified for the UCL now I might add. 

However hard you promote Kramaric's achievements with Hoffenheim, which have been commendable, he still didn't make an impression over here and neither has either Musa or Mendy.

 

The latter might adapt but equally, like so many others at so many clubs before them, they might not.

 

Some are just more suited to the style of continental football which is often played at a more studious pace due to the temperatures in places like Spain, Italy and Southern France. Inler and Hernandez were examples.

 

Musa's looked far too easily shaken off the ball to me and Mendy, while more competitive in the last game I watched him, still looked no better than any number of journeymen midfielders and certainly not worth premium outlay or the time needed to acclimatise him.

 

As I've said before, I've no objection to importing quality - there's a benefit to the club all round - but see no need to burden ourselves with the additional acclimatisation problems of imports when there are others every bit as good on our doorstep or coming through our academy who are much more easily accommodated.

 

You've got to be tough enough - mentally and physically - to come from abroad and cope with the intensity of playing in the Premiership.

 

Some, like Kante and N'didi, cope admirably. Others look lost and we really need to know which is which before we sign em rather than afterwards. Perhaps it's to some extent down to background as well as the style of play or a natural ability to adapt in some that is not there in others.

 

Whatever the reasons, and there may be countless factors, it is no use pretending that performances in one league or style of football overseas, necessarily reflect what you'll get from the same player in England.   

 

 

 

 

 

          

 

   

[fuchsntf]

24 minutes ago, Thracian said:

However hard you promote Kramaric's achievements with Hoffenheim, which have been commendable, he still didn't make an impression over here and neither has either Musa or Mendy.

 

The latter might adapt but equally, like so many others at so many clubs before them, they might not.

 

Some are just more suited to the style of continental football which is often played at a more studious pace due to the temperatures in places like Spain, Italy and Southern France. Inler and Hernandez were examples.

 

Musa's looked far too easily shaken off the ball to me and Mendy, while more competitive in the last game I watched him, still looked no better than any number of journeymen midfielders and certainly not worth premium outlay or the time needed to acclimatise him.

 

As I've said before, I've no objection to importing quality - there's a benefit to the club all round - but see no need to burden ourselves with the additional acclimatisation problems of imports when there are others every bit as good on our doorstep or coming through our academy who are much more easily accommodated.

 

You've got to be tough enough - mentally and physically - to come from abroad and cope with the intensity of playing in the Premiership.

 

Some, like Kante and N'didi, cope admirably. Others look lost and we really need to know which is which before we sign em rather than afterwards. Perhaps it's to some extent down to background as well as the style of play or a natural ability to adapt in some that is not there in others.

 

Whatever the reasons, and there may be countless factors, it is no use pretending that performances in one league or style of football overseas, necessarily reflect what you'll get from the same player in England.   

 

 

 

 

 

          

 

   

Good points and observation...

We see at all levels, from big clubs, right down to the Championship..

Good and top foreign players, coming to England, they arent lazy, its just they cant crack it,

or get to grips, with our intensity. Quite  a few move on, and have good careers.

 

The best, but most unique example was Ronaldo, he was young, learnt his trade, delivered his

Best has a true proffessional, and heeps of sheer skill, while playing for Manu..honest.Then reeps

the well earnt plaudits and applause..Hes got that face you want to plonk one one, but like Beckham,

and Bale, has been true to his club, fans and Yes with in themselves.

Then players like Mata, Valencia, and a a few foreign liverpool players, earn now their rewards, by staying

Learning developing, molding their talents with their chosen clubs.

The fans, and some spitefull press types often cant grasp the idea, talent and potential is not always an

An instant product success.  Thats why our fringe and newbies, have to be given patience and time.

BIG clubs can afford, to see some drop by the wayside...All the also rans like Leicester, need to show some nous

When selecting their own little gems. Polaroid Made instant photos, sorry no matter what the chipcard and camera cost,

Instant success, and happy snaps on players, need developing and re shaping..

[UPinCarolina]

Mendy will come good, I think.

We haven't seen him really, at all. Carried a debilitating ankle injury when we did, with the exception of Arsenal - and if I recall, he looked decent that day.

[Clever Fox]

To be fair to Mendy you can't really judge him on the few cameo's he's had for us. I think I read that when both himself and Kante played in the same league Mendy had the better stats. Interceptions etc. Which could be part of the reason CR allowed Kante to go for a profit and knowing he had a readymade replacement.

I'd prefer to wait and see him after he's had a preseason and settles into the team before making a final judgment. My instincts tell me that he may do alright.

[Guest Col city fan]

To all those people who are claiming 'I think Mendy will do fine' etc....can I ask, what is this based on?

Is it lazy positivism? (Youll get more plus ones for saying a player will do ok in the end)

What is it about Mendy that makes you think he'll be a good CM in the Premiership? So far, he's looked anything but.

[HighPeakFox]

How can anyone be daft enough to judge him EITHER WAY after he's been so dogged by injury? 

[RumbleFox]

23 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

To all those people who are claiming 'I think Mendy will do fine' etc....can I ask, what is this based on?

Is it lazy positivism? (Youll get more plus ones for saying a player will do ok in the end)

What is it about Mendy that makes you think he'll be a good CM in the Premiership? So far, he's looked anything but.

Hi there

 

Whilst I see your point it is, conversely, impossible to say he will definitely not be.  I think most people are not saying "it'll be fine, he'll be great" more that they are simply stating "give him a chance to see how he turns out before writing him off after not really getting a chance".  Why does everything have to be either one thing or the other, no grey in here.  I am not saying "Give him a chance he will be better than Kante" simply "let's see how he does and, if after proper assessment he seems to not be good enough we can move him on and wish him well".  I think most people's positivity is a mixture of his previous stats and perhaps not wanting to live life always preparing for the worst possible scenario.

 

Rumble.

 

X

[lcfcben76]

39 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

What is it about Mendy that makes you think he'll be a good CM in the Premiership? So far, he's looked anything but.

Thought he looked really impressive at Everton away in the cup and alright against arsenal first home game of the season tbf

[Guest Col city fan]

12 minutes ago, RumbleFox said:

Hi there

 

Whilst I see your point it is, conversely, impossible to say he will definitely not be.  I think most people are not saying "it'll be fine, he'll be great" more that they are simply stating "give him a chance to see how he turns out before writing him off after not really getting a chance".  Why does everything have to be either one thing or the other, no grey in here.  I am not saying "Give him a chance he will be better than Kante" simply "let's see how he does and, if after proper assessment he seems to not be good enough we can move him on and wish him well".  I think most people's positivity is a mixture of his previous stats and perhaps not wanting to live life always preparing for the worst possible scenario.

 

Rumble.

 

X

That makes lotsa sense Rumble.

Good post.

[martyn]

Shakespeare was quite positive about him in an interview he did recently, sounded like he rated him.

 

If we can get him 100% fit, confident in his ankle and through a full pre season, he is definitely worth giving another chance to. Only have to see how Drinkwaters performances have regressed whilst carrying a knock to understand that.

[Countryfox]

34 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said:

How can anyone be daft enough to judge him EITHER WAY after he's been so dogged by injury? 

 

Wise words Peaky ....    

[CosbehFox]

6 minutes ago, martyn said:

Shakespeare was quite positive about him in an interview he did recently, sounded like he rated him.

 

If we can get him 100% fit, confident in his ankle and through a full pre season, he is definitely worth giving another chance to. Only have to see how Drinkwaters performances have regressed whilst carrying a knock to understand that.

I know for a fact the players were very impressed by his range of passing in

pre season. 

[ZeGuy]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

To all those people who are claiming 'I think Mendy will do fine' is bad etc....can I ask, what is this based on?

Is it lazy positivism criticism? (Youll get more plus ones for saying a player will do ok is shite in the end)

What is it about Mendy that makes you think he'll be a good bad CM in the Premiership? So far, he's looked anything but.

See? It works both ways. 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

To all those people who are claiming 'I think Mendy will do fine' etc....can I aobsk, what is this based on?

Is iu t lazy positivism? (Youll get more plus ones for saying a player will do ok in the end)

What is it about Mendy that makes you think he'll be a good CM in the Premiership? So far, he's looked anything but.

Its called trust, belief, and knowingly have the realisation, the whole group of last seasons heroes, were well under performing, so no quality support from the squad from within...

Mendy, was thrown into a cold bath, then started his big injury issues...

Like any new player, he needs a strong recovery, and a run in the side,so he can show what he has to sell.No more , no less than any player, that trys to grab that Chance, to open their 

PL account.  Yes it could go totally "tits-up"", and we witness a disaster.

But we aint that far...Why go out and spend again Millions, we decided on Mendy,

he took a few hits, Then a big hit, that ruined, any possible analyse playing in a team that was totally playing on a Low unexpected niveau, that shocked even the hardest of fans.

 

If he, turns out to be a walking sick Note...shit happens!!!

If he fully recovers, like all newbies give the lad a chance....

The questions that are thrown up for Mendy, are exactly the same if we re-invest, in any other new player...!!    Lets 1st  give Mendy  our backing, and the scouts the trust...and not whule up any negative dark forces...

[Arriba Los Zorros]

2 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

How can anyone be daft enough to judge him EITHER WAY after he's been so dogged by injury? 

Although I agree with you on this particular point, you can't always sit on the fence and reserve judgement in order to be nice / measured.

 

Sometimes ruthless decisions have to be made based on the evidence available.

 

So far Mendy's not made the grade.

[The Horse's Mouth]

I rate Mendy a lot as I watched a lot of Nice last season, I just don't think he's a good fit for us. He's a talented player, but he's just not right for the style that we play. Especially now we've got Ndidi, can't see him sticking around long. 

[fuchsntf]

7 minutes ago, Arriba Los Zorros said:

Although I agree with you on this particular point, you can't always sit on the fence and reserve judgement in order to be nice / measured.

 

Sometimes ruthless decisions have to be made based on the evidence available.

 

So far Mendy's not made the grade.

I hope the 5th Protocol, or the  Vardy, Mahrez small Wonder, comes back and bites you in the bum...

Havent You yet  learnt that Atheist and Simply not believing...has no place in Foxes stories.

We know c what we are, tell us what cant be...We create the opposite..

[Clever Fox]

45 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

 Especially now we've got Ndidi, can't see him sticking around long. 

 

That's the real problem when he's fit. Who's place is he going to take.?  He's not going to shift NDidi or Albrighton or Mahrez if he's still here so it's between DD or Mendy, In which case you could be right and he may move on.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

45 minutes ago, fuchsntf said:

I hope the 5th Protocol, or the  Vardy, Mahrez small Wonder, comes back and bites you in the bum...

Havent You yet  learnt that Atheist and Simply not believing...has no place in Foxes stories.

We know c what we are, tell us what cant be...We create the opposite..

Translation anyone?

[Thracian]

3 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

How can anyone be daft enough to judge him EITHER WAY after he's been so dogged by injury? 

He played before and up to his injury. Looked like a bog-standard midfield player - nothing special about him whatsoever in terms of tenacity, speed of passing, imagination, game reading, pace, heading ability, anticipation or whatever.

 

The other thing is that people are assuming he'll fully recover from his injury both in terms of it mending and his confidence returning having already returned once and been injured again. Ankles can be troublesome and, sometimes, severe or repeated injuries can leave lasting weakness.

 

I know that hope springs eternal with some on here but long term injuries take their toll and we need gaps filling now.       

[orangecity23]

We've only seen the guy play 50 minutes of Premier League football, against Arsenal, when he looked OK, and settling into the game pretty well when he went down. Since then, every time we've seen him he's had bone chips in his ankle limiting his movement. If the ankle is now fully cleaned out, it's surely worth having a proper look at him in pre season to see if we've got him back into full fitness. I've never understood this rush from people to "cut our losses" - he's just coming back off an injury, if we sold him now, if anything, we would have maximised our losses as no-one will bid big at this stage. Better to wait and see a little, he's only 24, so he's got plenty of years ahead of him, and if we get him back into decent form and fitness we might get a good player for our squad, or we'll at least stand a chance of recouping a more reasonable sum.

 

Love how Col can't understand people wanting to give the guy a chance to show what he can do (not even saying he's good, just wanting to see a little more before deciding), when he watched 2.5 years of Jamie Vardy before declaring he'd drive him to West Brom for 5 million quid, and, IIRC, banged on about selling Drinkwater when we were in the Championship. Sometimes, it is better to wait and see, especially if we are talking about writing off loads of money on players that we invested heavily on.

[HighPeakFox]

56 minutes ago, Thracian said:

long term injuries take their toll and we need gaps filling now.       

Long term injuries CAN take their toll, yes.

 

As to the other point, yes I agree. But it doesn't alter my point - we've simply not seen enough to be certain.

[Guest Col city fan]

7 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

We've only seen the guy play 50 minutes of Premier League football, against Arsenal, when he looked OK, and settling into the game pretty well when he went down. Since then, every time we've seen him he's had bone chips in his ankle limiting his movement. If the ankle is now fully cleaned out, it's surely worth having a proper look at him in pre season to see if we've got him back into full fitness. I've never understood this rush from people to "cut our losses" - he's just coming back off an injury, if we sold him now, if anything, we would have maximised our losses as no-one will bid big at this stage. Better to wait and see a little, he's only 24, so he's got plenty of years ahead of him, and if we get him back into decent form and fitness we might get a good player for our squad, or we'll at least stand a chance of recouping a more reasonable sum.

 

Love how Col can't understand people wanting to give the guy a chance to show what he can do (not even saying he's good, just wanting to see a little more before deciding), when he watched 2.5 years of Jamie Vardy before declaring he'd drive him to West Brom for 5 million quid, and, IIRC, banged on about selling Drinkwater when we were in the Championship. Sometimes, it is better to wait and see, especially if we are talking about writing off loads of money on players that we invested heavily on.

I haven't said I didn't want to give him a chance. I asked the question of what have people seen to warrant their being basically sure he'll be fine. Why are they thinking that? And there have been some good answers...

You're shite stirring. And there's no need.

I also notice how you are bringing up a post I made about Vardy after he'd gone about two thirds of a season and couldn't hit a barn door. If I remember rightly, about two thirds of the forum wanted him gone...

As I said, you're shite stirring. Bring up all the other posts from all the other posters who claimed Vardy to be pants and you'd maybe have some sort of argument.

[ARM1968]

Mendy is a good footballer. Sometimes patience is rewarded. Far too much instant gratification needed for some in footy these days. Frankly I find it ridiculous. 

 

Musa has shown flashes and clearly has ability. Personally I would not get rid of either unless we recoup what we spent. I'm much more inclined to give them time and see how they pan out free of injury and obvious dressing room dramas.