Everton post match 2-4

[Johnthefoxrayner]

7 hours ago, mozartfox said:

if we repeat this tactic and get stuffed by Palace then we could be chasing the 3rd Relegation place rather than  a CL semi-final place.. We are not safe despite the optimism on here.

Agreed ? 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, the fox said:

 

His link-up play is good, he has pace (at least for a big guy) he is an aerial threat, great work-rate and positional sense, he is decent on aerial duels (even tho he doesn't go for a lot of them, he had 5 vs Everton)

 

I hate this "he only scores goals", it's his job, you know! okazaki is raved about because all he does is running and slimani is punished for doing what a striker is supposed to do.

 

The soon you forget about the price tag the better

I think we need to differentiate between him being a good striker and him being good at the role he's being asked to play for us.

 

He's got great movement in the box and more often than not finds himself on the end of crosses or passes, he might have missed a few sitters... but he's in the right place and you can't argue with his goals to minutes ratio. That's something Okazaki is terrible at, he doesn't even get in the position of being able to miss a chance half the time.

 

The problem is, we're asking him to do a lot off the ball and work with his back to goal, where quite frankly it does highlight some of the weaker sides of his game. His control can be wayward, and his passing, he doesn't track back as much as Okazaki, which exposes the CM's more. Despite your protestation about his aerial duels, when it comes to a flick on he does seem to miss the ball or back out of the challenge an exceptional amount. So much so, I'm starting to think it's actually his own tactic of letting the ball go past his marker, as half the time it baffles them what he does and it floats past them as well!!!

 

If he were playing as the focal point up top, I doubt there would be half the moans about him as I think we'd see more of what he's good at and less of what he's not... problem is, with Vardy there and our way of playing I'm not sure he'll ever get to fill that space.

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, Col city fan said:

I do agree that the price tag influences how people see Slimani. That's not the players fault, but it's natural that the 30 mill is factored into people's opinion of him. Off the cuff, I'd estimate Slimani as around a 20 million pound player. I think we paid over the odds for him.

He was available for around 21m earlier on in the Summer which would have been spot-on and better for integrating him into the squad. Typical Leicester panic in the last few days of the window though. 

 

Thought he was one of our better players yesterday. He can not play that Okazaki role when we have 1.5 centre mids though, Everton cut through us too easily. 

[MC Prussian]

Great first 20 minutes with positive, attacking football from both sides. The 2-1 lead was a bit flattering, but the goal from Albrighton a real peach.

 

After that, we pretty much switched off and retreated to consuming energy for the encounter with Atlético Madrid.

Now, I do think that's a smart move in order to prepare for the biggest European game in the club's history- and yes, no injury worries.

But still, we know we can play better and I thought we could've put up more of a fight. It felt like a complete surrender for 70 minutes, laying out the carpet for Everton to win. A bit of a smack in the face for all supporters.

[MC Prussian]

1 minute ago, lgfualol said:

He was available for around 21m earlier on in the Summer which would have been spot-on and better for integrating him into the squad. Typical Leicester panic in the last few days of the window though. 

 

Thought he was one of our better players yesterday. He can not play that Okazaki role when we have 1.5 centre mids though, Everton cut through us too easily. 

There was a combined one central midfielder on the pitch yesterday. Drinkwater carrying an injury still (doubtful for Madrid?) and King was almost nowhere to be seen for large parts of the game.

It just didn't work.

[Guest]

Calm down! So we lost. Lets move onto the next game. We lost against a team that (when they turn up) are class. If we put out a full strength squad I would suspect we would have still lost as Everton are strong at home and strong when they decide to play.

 

We made a few mistakes, but let the players mull over it and lets see what happens on Wednesday and next Premier League game. No need to go into panic mode because we lost 

[Thracian]

11 hours ago, Dr The Singh said:

Benny was the difference today,if he had a good game, we would.have won.

But he was never going to have a good game. I didn't see that before today but the bloke's not good enough to cope with that kind of opponent or attack. Whether he can become good enough I doubt. He just doesn't seem to have the strength or the presence. Horses for courses maybe but he didn't look anything like my idea of a centre-back. 

[ZeGuy]

12 hours ago, The Guvnor said:

Your wasting your time trying to explain, there are clearly people on here watching Slim with rose tinted glasses.

While others do need glasses.

[Thracian]

36 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I think we need to differentiate between him being a good striker and him being good at the role he's being asked to play for us.

 

He's got great movement in the box and more often than not finds himself on the end of crosses or passes, he might have missed a few sitters... but he's in the right place and you can't argue with his goals to minutes ratio. That's something Okazaki is terrible at, he doesn't even get in the position of being able to miss a chance half the time.

 

The problem is, we're asking him to do a lot off the ball and work with his back to goal, where quite frankly it does highlight some of the weaker sides of his game. His control can be wayward, and his passing, he doesn't track back as much as Okazaki, which exposes the CM's more. Despite your protestation about his aerial duels, when it comes to a flick on he does seem to miss the ball or back out of the challenge an exceptional amount. So much so, I'm starting to think it's actually his own tactic of letting the ball go past his marker, as half the time it baffles them what he does and it floats past them as well!!!

 

If he were playing as the focal point up top, I doubt there would be half the moans about him as I think we'd see more of what he's good at and less of what he's not... problem is, with Vardy there and our way of playing I'm not sure he'll ever get to fill that space.

 

If we were pla

10/10 summary for me. 

 

  

[fleckneymike]

Squad players in not as good as first choice players shocker. 

[ZeGuy]

15 hours ago, sm1 said:

Its funny how King is getting slaughtered on here yet it is DD who has been consistently shit for quite a few games. Ndidi has been covering for DD, something which King is not good enough to do. 

The biggest problem with this game was Shakey going 442 without a natural defensive midfielder. At least he should have brought on Simpson 2nd half (for Vardy) and moved Amartey to midfield and played a 451/433. Amartey could have shielded the defence and King could've played further up, his natural position. At the moment King is asked to play out of position next to an out of form DD, against one of the best 3 man midfield units in the league, and he's getting singled out because we got over run in midfield! This was a tactical error from shakey and its a little sad he hasn't learnt this lesson from our early season form.

It reminds me of the situation that Gerrard and Lampard were in with England, both fantastic midfielders, but when they were asked to sit in and become more defensive by England, they looked ordinary.

Danny Drinkwater has something I'd call "fan armor". I'm also amazed how little criticism he gets on this forum although he's been one of the worst performers this season. By far. He's with Mahrez the only player who didn't really pick up since Shakey took over, 

 

Today, he was crap. Like shit. Yet no one bats an eyelid and prefer to focus on the goal scorer's performance.

[Clever Fox]

I really wouldn't read too much into yesterdays performance. I think it would have been better to rest more and just take the loss. but I can also understand what Shakey was trying to do. As to performance some turned up and most didn't.

Benny and Huth were both awful, i just hope it was saving themselves for Wednesday. The only plus was the way slim took his Goal and the impact Ulloa had when coming on. Another day and he'd have got a hat trick in 20 mins he was on.

Lets just forget about it and move on to Wednesday.

 

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Thracian said:

But he was never going to have a good game. I didn't see that before today but the bloke's not good enough to cope with that kind of opponent or attack. Whether he can become good enough I doubt. He just doesn't seem to have the strength or the presence. Horses for courses maybe but he didn't look anything like my idea of a centre-back. 

In that case on 90% of this season, neither do Morgan nor Huth

I bet now he is injured Morgan will become the world class CB we are missing.

The 1st Lukaku goal was just brilliant, and if you want to nick pick it was Huth that was ball side...

Now then..The 2 set piece goals, I blame...

 

Huth + Benny, for not organising the defence.

Shakespeare (Ranieri before him)  for not sorting out this issue, we are Crap  at defending corners..

Total lack of organisation and tactics, on defending set pieces.Coaching staff havent shown 1% of improvement

that one can see in or over 3 seasons.That said Simpson and Fuchs do make a difference...How much???

 

There is no denying it, Benny had a bad day at the office....but even  so do all CBs.

This forum shows total poor judgement, when analysing the careers of players on single games.

I still want to see 1-2 quality CBs come in..that does not mean IMO Benny is surplus..he could be no1.

I will judge him at  the end EOS Run of games. Odd games and short runs for a CB is too little.

With Morgan struggling with his back, I reckon Benny has 2-4 games at least...if not the rest of the season.

If so.....it hold no horrors for me..

 

[WigstonWanderer]

Can't really grumble too much as I was one of those happy to rest some players.

 

It just shows how we've come to rely on Ndidi and the "press from the front" style that was missing yesterday. Drinky was poor, but we don't really have an alternative. Just hope Benny isn't really that bad and gets back to how he was.

 

Even Marc a bit off I thought. Gray good for the assist but not much else though I did see him trying to help out in defence a bit. Good for Slimani to score - that is what he's there for.

[foxes21]

why do Everton fans do this to themselves. delusions of grandeur after beating our second team.

they are just setting themselves up for many more years of disappointment

[Monsell1976]

13 hours ago, Pentatonic said:

Harsh considering all the rust he has from sitting on the bench for months.

He's offered very little the last few seasons, don't rate him, yes he's been loyal, but so has the club giving him a very nice contract, for the amount of games he plays.

Sorry he weakens the team, time for him to drop a division, I know the supporters that love him for his loyalty will not like this post, but it's time to face facts and move on

[theessexfox]

Lukaku loves sitting on Chilwell, don't think it's the first time he's done it iirc. The whole of the second half he wasn't fussed about sticking up top, just pulled out right and Chilwell couldn't touch him. 

[jon1bc]

2 hours ago, ZeGuy said:

Danny Drinkwater has something I'd call "fan armor". I'm also amazed how little criticism he gets on this forum although he's been one of the worst performers this season. By far. He's with Mahrez the only player who didn't really picked up since Shakey took over, 

 

Today, he was crap. Like shit. Yet no one bats an eyelid and prefer to focus on the goal scorer's performance.

Agreed he was terrbile and it's quite depressing to watch. I'm not sure if it's an ability or confidence issue but really struggles to attack. His silly runs towards a player to receive the ball only to pass it straight back with no intention of looking up and turning annoy the hell out of me.

[Guest Col city fan]

20 minutes ago, theessexfox said:

Lukaku loves sitting on Chilwell, don't think it's the first time he's done it iirc. The whole of the second half he wasn't fussed about sticking up top, just pulled out right and Chilwell couldn't touch him. 

I noticed this too. Lukaku v Chilwell was like a man against a boy. Unless Chilwell really improves, I'm still yet to really see what all the fuss is about with him? (Oh dear, Col slating another youngster,,even though I've praised Ndidi right from first seeing him)

Oh well...

Chilwell appears better going forward to be fair. Defensively, he seems weak. The Everton youngsters looked much better than ours. Davies and Lookman are good players..already.

[Guest Col city fan]

The reason Drinkwater gets a free rein on here (within reason) is because we all know how good he can be. When he's on it, he can be and has been a brilliant player for the club. Plus, he's been around a long time now.

[justfoxes]

Definately tell we had a makeshift defence as for 3 of the goals our defence was like rabbits in headlights jagielka or lukaku should never have scored from those positions,really hoping Shaky can sort them out for AM game otherwise I'd hate to think of the score line !

DD went AWOL most of the game Awesome free kick from Albrighton, some school boy errors We can few afford on Wednesday we need to be more clinical as per Gray to Slimani but Slimani needs to attack these crosses, at times it's a half soaked attempt at crosses !

lets hope Shaky can bring back the form we all know and love and scre the shit out of AM with our pace and tenacity !!

[Babylon]

21 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

The Everton youngsters looked much better than ours. Davies and Lookman are good players..already.

Do they? Who'd you rather have Davies or N'Didi, Grey or Lookman?

 

Lookman has done little to deserve such praise just yet, Davies looks a handy player, but couldn't see him stepping up much further than the level he's already at.

[Guest Col city fan]

4 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Do they? Who'd you rather have Davies or N'Didi, Grey or Lookman?

 

Lookman has done little to deserve such praise just yet, Davies looks a handy player, but couldn't see him stepping up much further than the level he's already at.

I was referring to yesterday's game Babs. I'm with you on Ndidi and Gray..both as good as Lookman and Davies.

[adejo92]

Anyone else see the video of Barkley getting dropped in a night club on Sunday night?

 

He got absolutely cleaned up! Cya later!

[Babylon]

5 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I was referring to yesterday's game Babs. I'm with you on Ndidi and Gray..both as good as Lookman and Davies.

I wondered if you were, but Lookman didn't even play so I thought you meant in general.