Everton post match 2-4

[sk3since03]

Atleast Slimani only cost 30m 

[desertfox2]

Kaputska must be really poor in training or something. If he can't get a look in, in a game we make so many changes in it doesn't look good for him. Same age as Gray too.

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Andy King is not a premier league level footballer .... never has been ... never will be. 

[Poznan34]

Benalouane very disappointing for me. He has to do better for their last 3. Chilwell did alright, Mahrez looked bright when he came on. 

[Slim Dog]

Just now, Facecloth said:

Well you complained Ulloa misses abs Slimani scores so that makes Slimani better than Ulloa. When I pointed out Slimani's chance conversion isn't brilliant either, you remarked you were only on about this game. So you've judged Slimani better than Ulloa based on this game, no?

Slimani was getting ridiculed for this match, so I was talking abut this match. Although, in the game time Slimani has had, his goals and assists haven't been too shabby. He's missed just as many clear chances as Vardy.

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, Matt said:

Oh 100% agree i'm not scapegoating (FT love that word - I know you've not mention it) Slimani today, I've said today was down to simply poor defending and i've praised Slimani for taking his goal well, but someone was comparing Slimani/Ulloa and saying they can understand Ulloa being pissed off and i've just jumped on discussing that.

That's fair enough but from seeing Ulloa for best part of 3 years now, my judgement would be that he has always been a decent impact sub in the way he can win flick ons, hold the ball up and be a threat in the box. He scores goals but not often enough and I always thought he struggled when asked to start play a full 70+ minutes over pro-longed period of time. Ignoring the cost, which I don't see why people get so fixated on anyway, we have a genuine goal scorer in Slimani. He may not be the complete package, but having someone in the squad who gets goals regularly shouldn't be underestimated. I think today was not the best game to judge either, as our midfield was non existent and he is best when linking with the midfield or having crosses whipped into the box.

 

One thing I don't like, is for all his aerial ability in the box, I struggle to see why he can't win more flick ons and he was too easily beaten in the box for one of their goals. Needs to be stronger and dominate in the air, just like he does in the box!

[foxy boxing]

We are a terrible at defending set pieces while Drinkwater and King had poor games, Albrighton was the one bright spark. Roll on Wednesday and let's just see what happens

[Vacamion]

21 minutes ago, Thracian said:

Totally predictable defeat. Better match than I expected for all our defensive and midfield errors  but with a few points that stood out even in the context of our fielding a much-weakened and clearly vulnerable team.

 

First Benaloauane. Anyone seriously considering he's a replacement for Morgan got their answer today. The guy was so badly at fault, so often in the first half  he only emphasised how badly we're lacking a genuinely capable back-up central defender with a bit of height, strength, presence and no-how,

 

I know Lukako's a handful but Benny looked totally overwhelmed and didn't do any of the things needed to make him less of a threat.

 

Others in our back line were no better. Chilwell should have closed down the cross for Lukako's first but didn't get right enough or react quickly enough.

Huth didn't start to show the authority needed to contain Everton, Schmeichel was defensively trapped inside his six-yard box and therefore unable to help and we simply didn't want the crosses enough - and I thought that's one of the things we'd either prevent or cope with.

 

Albrighton continued to show his best form and willingness to run as well despite our impending Champions League outing. I don't know what he'll say about it but the angle he approached his cross for his goal suggested it was aimed exactly where it finished up - in the net. But that was just one feature of a fully-committed display and one which might easily have resulted in more goals.

 

Slimani continued to show his happy knack of scoring and Gray would have been delighted with a timely final pass to provide some end product, But thereafter Slimani huffed and puffed willingly enough but didn't really retain the threat and sharpness I hoped for.

 

Once again I felt a bit sorry for Ulloa when he came on. He was clearly a threat and twice came so close to scoring - one being diverted by the luckless Musa and the other simply misdirected when anything right of the keeper (as he looked) would surely have done the job. The big plus was that he looked both keen and fit to play and showed what I've always believed - that he's a handful for any defenders.

 

Oh yes, and Kasper's save when Barkley thought he'd beaten him and was about to score into an open goal was another collectors item in his book of outstanding saves but otherwise it wasn't his best day from the moment he was beaten on his near post for their first.         

           

Everton lost a bit of ambition second half and we looked quite flattering at times in attack but I never thought the result in doubt, just that 4-3 might have been achieved. I don't fault Shaky in any way. He gave everyone fair notice of his intentions and I've no serious complaint about that - it ended up an opinion thing rather than a reckless risk to our Premiership survival.

 

But our reserve centre-back problem was exposed big-time...and I take no pleasure saying so. Others were at fault too, no question. But Benny was taken apart today and looked a sorry sight especially in the first half that effectively decided the game.

 

But surely Ulloa did enough to put himself in the frame for a place on the bench on Wednesday. I wish he'd played longer but he certainly looked strong and dangerous while he was out there.  

 

             

 

 

Noticeable that you didn't mention King, who you usually big up.

 

 

[Ted Maul]

4 minutes ago, Eagle10 said:

That's bull. Slimani played against Man City and guess what, got 2 assists and played pretty well. How can you say Ulloa is better for the best teams when he isn't anywhere near Slimani's level? I find it funny people even comparing them, Slimani is in another level compared to Ulloa. He scored 1 goal today, tracked back, worked hard and did some link-up play, yet some are still slating him. What do you guys want him to do? Poker in every game? Jesus, learn some football and then post.

My point is not a question of who is better overall. Slimani is better in the opposition box, Ulloa better at dropping deep and linking the play. Hence Slim better vs weaker teams when we're on top, Ulloa better vs the stronger ones when we're on the back foot.

 

I'd say my footballing knowledge is pretty sound, mate. Stop forming opinions based on emotional attachments. 

[STUHILL]

1 minute ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

Noticeable that you didn't mention King, who you usually big up.

 

 

Already demanded a King review from him

[Jimothy]

2 minutes ago, Slim Dog said:

Slimani was getting ridiculed for this match, so I was talking abut this match. Although, in the game time Slimani has had, his goals and assists haven't been too shabby. He's missed just as many clear chances as Vardy.

So basically you've got a stand point, probably that Slimani is our best striker, or at least the best to partner Vardy and you're trying to prove that point, but you don't really have a clue how to. Fritting between using one match to using numerous matches to try and prove this, but in reality he's a £30m striker who offers not much different to Ulloa.

[justfoxes]

52 minutes ago, Royston. said:

Maradonna came out of retirement, ate Godzilla and ranieri scored twice in the last 5 seconds

Oh ffs I always miss the best Fuching bits !!

[justfoxes]

50 minutes ago, steveherbe said:

Plastic! Joking of course.

PLASTIC WHO YOU CALLING PLASTIC ?

CHEEKY FUCHER !!

 

[Slim Dog]

6 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

So basically you've got a stand point, probably that Slimani is our best striker, or at least the best to partner Vardy and you're trying to prove that point, but you don't really have a clue how to. Fritting between using one match to using numerous matches to try and prove this, but in reality he's a £30m striker who offers not much different to Ulloa.

You've taken this so far out of proportion. In this thread, people have came to the conclusion that Ulloa is better than Slimani. I said that Ulloa missed his chances and Slimani scored his. You are the one that has instigated a reaction out of me.

 

The 30mil argument is mute.

 

Edit: Vardy is our best striker though, just trying to prove that every striker misses chances.

[Corky]

Defensively it was on a par with some of the other away defeats but attacking wise we scored twice and forced their keeper into three other saves that I recall which is streets ahead of previous matches.

 

I would select a stronger team for Crystal Palace no matter the result in midweek.

[Jimothy]

1 minute ago, Slim Dog said:

You've taken this so far out of proportion. In this thread, people have came to the conclusion that Ulloa is better than Slimani. I said that Ulloa missed his chances and Slimani scored his. You are the one that has instigated a reaction out of me.

 

The 30mil argument is mute.

But can't you see the failing of your argument just as much as theirs? Using today alone to try and say one is better than the other is pointless. Imo Slimani took his goal well but was poor in other areas, whilst Ulloa contributed more to the team when he came on and was unlucky not to score. Overall, they have different traits, Ulloa being better coming deep and holding the ball up, Slimani better at leading the line, but there's very little between then in overall quality.

[Slim Dog]

Just now, Facecloth said:

But can't you see the failing of your argument just as much as theirs? Using today alone to try and say one is better than the other is pointless. Imo Slimani took his goal well but was poor in other areas, whilst Ulloa contributed more to the team when he came on and was unlucky not to score. Overall, they have different traits, Ulloa being better coming deep and holding the ball up, Slimani better at leading the line, but there's very little between then in overall quality.

The difference being I haven't said Smilani is better because of this match.

[Guest Col city fan]

2 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

But can't you see the failing of your argument just as much as theirs? Using today alone to try and say one is better than the other is pointless. Imo Slimani took his goal well but was poor in other areas, whilst Ulloa contributed more to the team when he came on and was unlucky not to score. Overall, they have different traits, Ulloa being better coming deep and holding the ball up, Slimani better at leading the line, but there's very little between then in overall quality.

Spot on.

[NewEnglandFox]

1 minute ago, Facecloth said:

But can't you see the failing of your argument just as much as theirs? Using today alone to try and say one is better than the other is pointless. Imo Slimani took his goal well but was poor in other areas, whilst Ulloa contributed more to the team when he came on and was unlucky not to score. Overall, they have different traits, Ulloa being better coming deep and holding the ball up, Slimani better at leading the line, but there's very little between then in overall quality.

 

Slimani disappeared when Ulloa came on. I remember it being the same the first few weeks of the season when Claudio put both of them on in desperation. I'd rather avoid having both of them on the pitch at the same time.

[Jimothy]

3 minutes ago, Slim Dog said:

The difference being I haven't said Smilani is better because of this match.

But you kind of did mate, go back and reread your posts.

[Slim Dog]

Just now, Facecloth said:

But you kind of did mate, go back and reread your posts.

No, I didn't. I called people out on the opposite.

[The Floyd]

As others have said, it was a predictable defeat and whether it's the correct attitude or not, I'm sure that the players and the majority of the supporters won't feel too disheartened. I personally think that the absence of Okazaki was just as noticeable as that of Ndidi, we're able to maintain a much higher position up the pitch with the two in the side.

 

We haven't scored a shit goal for a while so a 2-1 defeat on Wednesday with an own goal or something ridiculous would probably justify sacrificing today's game. 

 

 

 

 

[STUHILL]

3 minutes ago, Facecloth said:

But can't you see the failing of your argument just as much as theirs? Using today alone to try and say one is better than the other is pointless. Imo Slimani took his goal well but was poor in other areas, whilst Ulloa contributed more to the team when he came on and was unlucky not to score. Overall, they have different traits, Ulloa being better coming deep and holding the ball up, Slimani better at leading the line, but there's very little between then in overall quality.

I'd take the goal scorer tbh. Ulloa always has a decent impact coming on in terms of hold up play, but if we need a goal, Slimani>Ulloa.    We needed one against Sunderland and he scored a great header to break the deadlock.

 

With our second striker being Okazaki, we need genuine goal threats in the team to help Vardy and I think that's why we signed Slimani. Ulloa is not a 20 goal a season striker in the Premier League but Slimani has the potential to be and his goals already have been very important to us.

[FoxinNotts]

Slimani is a better footballer than Ulloa.

Ulloa is good, even at this level.

Slimani is very good.

Vardy is better than both.

Okazaki is different.

Okazaki is the best at what he does.

Okazaki is good.

[Tuna]

It's easy to be misty eyed and over sentimental about King for the years of service he's given to the football club but the fact remains he's simply not good enough for where we are now as a football club and realistically we need to think about phasing him out and offloading, I'm sure he wouldn't want to waste the peak years of his career captaining the under 23's and the occasional cup appearance, for me he wouldn't even be on the bench had we brought in better quality in the squad in the last 2 windows. He'd not get in the first XI of any of the other teams in the premier league.