Feeder Club

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, The Doctor said:

That wouldn't necessarily work any more would it? Clubs send players to Belgium on loan for three years, they get Belgian citizenship then get a work permit via free movement of workers from the EU - that's not necessarily going to be possible post 2019.

Very true. How do Belgium and other countries have the authority to sign such players and gain work permits but we don't given we're all in the EU?

[MPH]

16 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said:

Wes Morgan

 

 

Came through the notts County youth system

 

 

 

Edit: Besides, it was a joke!

[Trav Le Bleu]

2 hours ago, seanfox778 said:

No more so than Watford playing Udinese or Granada in Europe.

And about as likely.

[BenTheFox]

My initial thought was one of discomfort. I wouldn't want a club's sole purpose to be to provide us with players. However, this is a club struggling in the second tier of Belgian football and they were only founded in 2002. If this investment would mean that their club could make significant progress then I'm sure their fans would appreciate that as long as the club kept it's traditions (badge, colours etc.) intact, even despite the fact that they've not been existed for that long. 

[MPH]

28 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Very true. How do Belgium and other countries have the authority to sign such players and gain work permits but we don't given we're all in the EU?

 

 

 

I think its down to their own personal immigration policy with regards to Africa...

[Dan]

FM18 save sorted then.

[Foxxed]

Why loan players to OHL when we could loan them out to league one or championship clubs?

 

Won't OHL fans get excited to see a great new player but have their gut sink realising he'll be off to Filbert Way next season?

 

Wouldn't that be the same as knowing Ndidi will be off to Real Madrid in a season?

[AjcW]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

Maybe if Forest get relegated they could become our feeder club 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Then again, they havnt produced a decent player for years....

I can think of at least four in the last two seasons but okay  

[MPH]

8 minutes ago, AjcW said:

I can think of at least four in the last two seasons but okay ??

 

 

 

 

IT WAS A JOKE

[MC Prussian]

A couple of thoughts:

 

Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha would likely to step down from the board of directors at LCFC should the takeover of OHL go through.

He'd very likely operate the club in Leuven on an independent basis, with his own money. I bet he's already accumulated enough income through shares at King Power or other business ventures and/or has his own personal stash at his disposal (imagine what his savings account must look like!).

Of course, you cannot rule out he'll remain in touch with his father and other figures at LCFC for technical, logistical support or additional expertise. But that's not illegal, is it?

 

From a sportive point of view, OHL would benefit first: New stadium, new facilities, new positioning, healthy financial basis.

But even then, you're looking at an initial time horizon of at least two to three years for a re-branding and the first successes to be noted.

The club needs to be on a solid financial basis first, then strengthen the squad and push for a return to the Pro League. Similar to what we did not so long ago coming back up from League One.

 

It's highly likely we'd profit from sending players out on loan to Leuven for them to gain match practice in a more competitive league (once they're back in the Pro League) - just like what Chelsea are doing at Vitesse Arnhem.

Also note that there's a plethora of talented footballers in Belgium (mostly second-generation immigrants from former Belgian colonies) that could one day potentially move to Leicester to prosper over here, just like Ndidi.

Belgian clubs are highly dependent on a very good scouting setup, as it is their main form of income and wealth creation. So, if we could somehow use that knowledge and combine it with our academy...

 

Anyway, I can only see winners here.

 

Being a feeder club doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing (as long as it's not us, ha!): If done properly, both sides can benefit hugely from a cooperation.

But again, give it about two to three years for it to take full effect.

 

[AjcW]

Just now, MPH said:

 

 

 

 

IT WAS A JOKE

I know  

[Ric Flair]

4 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

A couple of thoughts:

 

Aiyawatt Srivaddhanaprabha would likely to step down from the board of directors at LCFC should the takeover of OHL go through.

He'd very likely operate the club in Leuven on an independent basis, with his own money. I bet he's already accumulated enough income through shares at King Power or other business ventures and/or has his own personal stash at his disposal (imagine what his savings account must look like!).

Of course, you cannot rule out he'll remain in touch with his father and other figures at LCFC for technical, logistical support or additional expertise. But that's not illegal, is it?

 

From a sportive point of view, OHL would benefit first: New stadium, new facilities, new positioning, healthy financial basis.

But even then, you're looking at an initial time horizon of at least two to three years for a re-branding and the first successes to be noted.

The club needs to be on a solid financial basis first, then strengthen the squad and push for a return to the Pro League. Similar to what we did not so long ago coming back up from League One.

 

It's highly likely we'd profit from sending players out on loan to Leuven for them to gain match practice in a more competitive league (once they're back in the Pro League) - just like what Chelsea are doing at Vitesse Arnhem.

Also note that there's a plethora of talented footballers in Belgium (mostly second-generation immigrants from former Belgian colonies) that could one day potentially move to Leicester to prosper over here, just like Ndidi.

Belgian clubs are highly dependent on a very good scouting setup, as it is their main form of income and wealth creation. So, if we could somehow use that knowledge and combine it with our academy...

 

Anyway, I can only see winners here.

 

Being a feeder club doesn't necessarily have to be a negative thing (as long as it's not us, ha!): If done properly, both sides can benefit hugely from a cooperation.

But again, give it about two to three years for it to take full effect.

 

How does a feeder club work though? As you mention above if Top does what you say, then he won't legally be linked to Leicester so there's no formal feeder club in place? Are Chelsea and Vitesse operated like how you describe above or are they clearly linked through ownership?

[MC Prussian]

4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

How does a feeder club work though? As you mention above if Top does what you say, then he won't legally be linked to Leicester so there's no formal feeder club in place? Are Chelsea and Vitesse operated like how you describe above or are they clearly linked through ownership?

I'm using the term "feeder club" loosely. In the end, it's all down to contracts and collaborations (on whatever level).

 

As for the Chelsea - Vitesse relationship, may I refer you to this excellent Guardian article:

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2017/feb/28/chelsea-vitesse-arnhem-links-deeper-public-told

[desertfox2]

3 hours ago, Finnaldo said:

I'd hope that it comes with serious plans for the club itself and not just a scheme to get us a feeder in Europe. That club will have it's own history and fans and I'd hate the ownership of our club to be part responsible for damaging that club.

 

If they're given the infrastructure promised and allowed to progress as a club then it's a win-win, and as of now I trust the Top & Vichai to do the right thing.

 

Fair point. From what we have experienced with having Top & Vichai involved they will be in safe hands. 

[Guest the fox]

Very happy to be honest. It's a sign of bigger and better plans, it's fun knowing that the owners are aiming high. 

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[Babylon]

3 minutes ago, the fox said:

Very happy to be honest. It's a sign of bigger and better plans, it's fun knowing that the owners are aiming high. 

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Did Rudkin design that badge?... Shocking Rudkin out!

[MC Prussian]

Just now, Babylon said:

Did Rudkin design that badge?... Shocking Rudkin out!

The club's only 15 years old. Someone was clearly still under the influence... or suffering from post-Techno stress. It has something very 90ies about it.

[CosbehFox]

3 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

It's not like the Thais are going to dedicate equal time and resources to them is it? I don't expect their fans to take exception to it particularly and it's likely to benefit both parties, but you couldn't blame them if they were at least slightly sceptical about such a move.

The history of Belgian football is full of clubs going bust, clubs emerging, clubs being taken over and then rising up through the divisions. It won't be frowned up anyway provided the owners have their best interests. 

[Finnegan]

1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

Very true. How do Belgium and other countries have the authority to sign such players and gain work permits but we don't given we're all in the EU?

 

Because our laws regards work permits for non eu citizens are ours, not Europe's.

 

It's not a problem in Belgium, Germany, etc.

 

How do you think Bulgaria is full of Brazilians nobody has ever heard of?

 

The work permit rules for English football are fairly unique to the UK.

[BenTheFox]

As long as it benefits OH Leuven then I'll be fine with it. Selling players to the top 5 leagues in Europe tends to be how Belgian clubs keep themselves afloat anyway. 

[Foxxed]

I'm not sure about the EU visa thing either. Any European player needing a visa to enter the UK would unlikely to benefit from being OHL. And I can't see how any non EU player would get a Visa any easier by being on OHL's books a few months. And is it easier to get footballers into Belgian than the UK? Seems like a dead end of a reason unless there's some technicality that I'm unaware.

[CosbehFox]

11 minutes ago, Foxxed said:

I'm not sure about the EU visa thing either. Any European player needing a visa to enter the UK would unlikely to benefit from being OHL. And I can't see how any non EU player would get a Visa any easier by being on OHL's books a few months. And is it easier to get footballers into Belgian than the UK? Seems like a dead end of a reason unless there's some technicality that I'm unaware.

Belgium are more sympathetic to African-based footballers - due to Belgium's former ruling days. Therefore an African can play in Belgium with no objection and then after 3-5 years will be in position to bid for a passport or similar which can be the gateway to accessing the UK (via EU freedom of movement.....haha). 

 

Arsenal did it with Beveren for years - https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/K.S.K._Beveren

Then they made a hash of some accounts and Beveren had to go bust. It helped Kolo Toure get a work permit mind. 

[urban.spaceman]

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In September 2016, OH Leuven were caught up in an ongoing scandal affecting football in England. In relation to allegations made against individuals within English football, OH Leuven chairman Jimmy Houtput was alleged to have offered up the club as a "conduit" to allow third-party companies to gain ownership of football players in England.^[2] Houtput claimed he was "merely trying to obtain the identity of the possible investor(s) and would never take part in illegal activities to circumvent the third-party ownership", but subsequently resigned as OH Leuven chairman on 30 September.^[1]

 

[promised land]

How will gold trim fit with their home kit?

 

Will their fans be getting clappers?

 

Questions that need answering.

[CosbehFox]

Stella Artois is from Leuven....that's my useless trivia.