Mahrez to .......................?

[fazzyfox]

For those who feel his valuation should be based on last seasons performance, if we applied that logic to Eden Hazard who other than a certain little favour he did for us vs Bottleham he was pretty pants in the 2015-16 season so would have been worth 25 million or so last summer. He's now had a very good season again, whatever Chelsea's overall problem was in 15-16 it has has gone and he'd be back in the silly money category of 70-90 million now. Mahrez along with Hazard has been the most effective dribbling player in the league in recent times and you just know he will be back to his best if he moves on. Hold up Stirling as Exhibit A in any valuation negotiation, Mahrez has to be 65-75 million still. Or Walcott, Ox and 10 Million perhaps 

[MPH]

1 minute ago, fazzyfox said:

For those who feel his valuation should be based on last seasons performance, if we applied that logic to Eden Hazard who other than a certain little favour he did for us vs Bottleham he was pretty pants in the 2015-16 season so would have been worth 25 million or so last summer. He's now had a very good season again, whatever Chelsea's overall problem was in 15-16 it has has gone and he'd be back in the silly money category of 70-90 million now. Mahrez along with Hazard has been the most effective dribbling player in the league in recent times and you just know he will be back to his best if he moves on. Hold up Stirling as Exhibit A in any valuation negotiation, Mahrez has to be 65-75 million still. Or Walcott, Ox and 10 Million perhaps 

Eden hazard has had more than 1 world class season though...

[Old Fox]

5 minutes ago, MPH said:

Eden hazard has had more than 1 world class season though...

Yes and who is to say that Mahrez won't go on to do similar.

 

Transfer fees are disproportionate to achievements and actually Riyad has achieved more in that one season than many of the players being linked for £50m+. Fortunately our owners value Riyad at higher levels than some of our fans - he will be impossible to replace one for one so £50m minimum for me!!!

[MPH]

1 hour ago, Old Fox said:

Yes and who is to say that Mahrez won't go on to do similar.

 

Transfer fees are disproportionate to achievements and actually Riyad has achieved more in that one season than many of the players being linked for £50m+. Fortunately our owners value Riyad at higher levels than some of our fans - he will be impossible to replace one for one so £50m minimum for me!!!

 

 

You're absolutely right. Who's to say he won't ?

 

 

But that means we don't know, no one does , me , you and potential buyers... Its extremly difficult for a potential buyer to come up with 50 million based on one season  that was world class - especially when the season after ( for whatever reason ) was so poor. And really, its not about what anything THINKS he's worth, its more about what people think someone is willing to pay. If no one wont pay 50 million then that itself determines he isnt worth 50 million.

[crisp packet]

3 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

You're absolutely right. Who's to say he won't ?

 

 

But that means we don't know, no one does , me , you and potential buyers... Its extremly difficult for a potential buyer to come up with 50 million based on one season  that was world class - especially when the season after ( for whatever reason ) was so poor. And really, its not about what anything THINKS he's worth, its more about what people think someone is willing to pay. If no one wont pay 50 million then that itself determines he isnt worth 50 million.

True. But he is too us.

We don't need to sell him...!

[MPH]

Just now, crisp packet said:

True. But he is too us.

We don't need to sell him...!

 

 

We i agree in many ways - financially we dont need to but if its a case of having someone in the team who doesnt want to be here... can we say we are putting out  a fully comitted teams to win every game?

 

i would say what we NEED is 11 warriors on the pitch every game, not just turning up to play,. but willing to fight for the cause... can someone who wants out right for the cause?

[MattCan]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

 

 

You're absolutely right. Who's to say he won't ?

 

 

But that means we don't know, no one does , me , you and potential buyers... Its extremly difficult for a potential buyer to come up with 50 million based on one season  that was world class - especially when the season after ( for whatever reason ) was so poor. And really, its not about what anything THINKS he's worth, its more about what people think someone is willing to pay. If no one wont pay 50 million then that itself determines he isnt worth 50 million.

Oh yes we know. Oh yes everyone knows. Oh yes they know.

A player outside the top six clubs who ripped up the Premier League in the most spectacular of fashions and ultimately won a title and an award in doing so. Who can beat that? Give me a name if you can ..

[Kitchandro]

17 hours ago, Nod.E said:

No, you're ridiculous.

 

The argument that he just wasn't trying is so basic and flawed.

 

What about confidence? What about the fact he is regarded our only creative spark and gets 3 men marking him each game? What about fatigue? 

 

Literally every single one of your posts makes me hit my own head in frustration at your utter inability to engage your brain.

No it's true and you need to get your head out of the sand and face reality instead of bumming him because he's your hero.

 

If my posts annoy you so much it probably says more about your lack of understanding than it does about me so pipe down.

 

I can't accept he lost confidence when his Champions League performances were impressively effective, yet his laziness in league games was there for all to see. He didn't seem to lack confidence in Europe, so your argument is the one that is basic and flawed. Yes I accept confidence did suffer eventually, because he couldn't even do the basics at times in the second half of the season, but that's not a good enough excuse for the whole campaign, especially because he had no reason to lack confidence until he started playing crap due to his own approach to matches.

 

There was a severe selfishness in his game to the extent where instead of passing the ball to colleagues in better positions, as he would have done more often the season before, he would try to beat 3 men, presumably in order to sell himself to other clubs.

 

This is a man who admitted to 'agreeing' to stay at the start of the season, so there is a mass of evidence to suggest his head was elsewhere, and his performances certainly reflected that.

[Countryfox]

4 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

 

This is a man who admitted to 'agreeing' to stay at the start of the season, so there is a mass of evidence to suggest his head was elsewhere, and his performances certainly reflected that.

 

Good job he decided to stay as, am I right in thinking, we didn't get one single offer for him ...   

[Marshall Cockney Fox]

You can debate his market value all you like, but currently no one's offered us a tenner!! The silence is deafening.

[AmarteyAndChill]

                             Vardy 

               ........                 Mahrez 

 

Fuchs         Ndidi          Drinky      Albrighton

 

              .........     .........   Maguire 

 

                          Kasper

 

3-4-3. Mahrez has less defensive work. Another CAM to help him out. Albrighton can go wide while Riyad comes in so he can't be doubled up on with the defensive cover of 3 at the back. The formation still allows us to play counter attack but with 2 or even 1 CB(along with Maguire)  that is a able passer, we can pen teams back and build up pressure in the oppositions half meaning Riyad can get on the ball and create knowing there is cover behind him if he loses it.        

 

also, it's a WC year, he will have to play well to start for Algeria & the incentive of if he does well the big teams that he craves to play for will want him again.

 

its about building a foundation to get Riyad to flourish. As a result, he will do well and the team will do well as a result.  We didn't give him a chance last season with the way we played & the players we had eg Amartey & the back 4.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, MattCan said:

Oh yes we know. Oh yes everyone knows. Oh yes they know.

A player outside the top six clubs who ripped up the Premier League in the most spectacular of fashions and ultimately won a title and an award in doing so. Who can beat that? Give me a name if you can ..

 

 

Who then played very poorly in comparison the following season which was in  stark contrast to the previous. Thats hardly going to install confidence in potential buyers is it?

 

 

 

 

That's all anyone is really saying.

 

 

 

It's often said a boxer is only as good as his last fight... 

[teblin]

Not sure if a read this in here but could Roma be interested to replace salah?

[Old Fox]

1 hour ago, MPH said:

 

 

You're absolutely right. Who's to say he won't ?

 

 

But that means we don't know, no one does , me , you and potential buyers... Its extremly difficult for a potential buyer to come up with 50 million based on one season  that was world class - especially when the season after ( for whatever reason ) was so poor. And really, its not about what anything THINKS he's worth, its more about what people think someone is willing to pay. If no one wont pay 50 million then that itself determines he isnt worth 50 million.

He is to us and I would be amazed if he is allowed to leave for anything less than £45m - I personally think he is worth every penny of £45m in the current market and I actually think like NG it would be a bargain sadly!!

[MPH]

9 minutes ago, Old Fox said:

He is to us and I would be amazed if he is allowed to leave for anything less than £45m - I personally think he is worth every penny of £45m in the current market and I actually think like NG it would be a bargain sadly!!

I think we will probably end up accepting less than that closer to the beginning of the season.... Unfortunately The reality is, whatever the reason, last season hasnt helped our cause at all..

[Thracian]

19 hours ago, Nod.E said:

No, you're ridiculous.

 

The argument that he just wasn't trying is so basic and flawed.

 

What about confidence? What about the fact he is regarded our only creative spark and gets 3 men marking him each game? What about fatigue? 

 

Literally every single one of your posts makes me hit my own head in frustration at your utter inability to engage your brain.

a) Confidence is his responsibility. It's an attitude of mind. 

 

b) He's not our only creative spark. Vardy, Slimani, Albrighton, Gray, Chilwell and more and forever contributing and it's damned insulting to pretend otherwise. It's a team we''ve got not a one-man appreciation society. 

   

c) Three men don't mark him every game, nor have they needed to on many occasions. One has been quite sufficient. 

 

d) What about fatique? Professional sportsmen get tired. They all have to deal with it. Whether locally in terms of laying the ball off for a few minutes to recover from a temporary shortness of breath or energy or in terms of durability and needing to last longer and be stronger.     

 

I'm just glad I'm not your football manager, cos I'd get sick of your excuses on the first morning.

 

I don't care whether he was "trying" or not.

 

The very word is a nebulous concept that not worth trying to prove one way or the other.

 

What matters is  consequences and ourcomes and whether Mahrez delivered an effective performance within that concept.

 

Too many times last season he didn't and I don't give a toss about the reasons or excuses - just about seeing he doesn't let himself down so often in future if he remains our responsibility and he chooses to compliment our team in future. If not I wish him well.  

 

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[AmarteyAndChill]

16 minutes ago, Thracian said:

a) Confidence is his responsibility. It's an attitude of mind. 

 

b) He's not our only creative spark. Vardy, Slimani, Albrighton, Gray, Chilwell and more and forever contributing and it's damned insulting to pretend otherwise. It's a team we''ve got not a one-man appreciation society. 

   

c) Three men don't mark him every game, nor have they needed to on many occasions. One has been quite sufficient. 

 

d) What about fatique? Professional sportsmen get tired. They all have to deal with it. Whether locally in terms of laying the ball off for a few minutes to recover from a temporary shortness of breath or energy or in terms of durability and needing to last longer and be stronger.     

 

I'm just glad I'm not your football manager, cos I'd get sick of your excuses on the first morning.

 

I don't care whether he was "trying" or not.

 

The very word is a nebulous concept that not worth trying to prove one way or the other.

 

What matters is  consequences and ourcomes and whether Mahrez delivered an effective performance within that concept.

 

Too many times last season he didn't and I don't give a toss about the reasons or excuses - just about seeing he doesn't let himself down so often in future if he remains our responsibility and he chooses to compliment our team in future. If not I wish him well.  

 

.      

When Riyad gets the ball, the other teams left back, left midfielder and one of the central midfielders always sprint towards him and close him down. Meanwhile the rest of our team watch him and expect him to take three of their men on. 

[Countryfox]

15 minutes ago, Thracian said:

 

 

I don't care whether he was "trying" or not.

 

The very word is a nebulous concept that not worth trying to prove one way or the other.

 

What matters is  consequences and ourcomes and whether Mahrez delivered an effective performance within that concept.     

 

 

.      

 

I think I'll stick with he wasn't trying Thrac ...    nebulous or not.       

[MPH]

2 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said:

When Riyad gets the ball, the other teams left back, left midfielder and one of the central midfielders always sprint towards him and close him down. Meanwhile the rest of our team watch him and expect him to take three of their men on. 

 

it did indeed hap[pen a few times. but an exaggeration to say 'always'

[NotTheMarketLeader]

4 hours ago, MPH said:

 

 

You could tell by his face as he walked out onto the pitch that he just didn't want too be here. He wouldn't chase what he used to chase, wasn't committed in  the tackle ...  you can't blame being marked by three men on any of that... fatigue on chasing MAYBE but what about the others ?

Thank you MPH - he didn't want to be here last season, as he thought he was doing us a favour. 

 

He has virtually admitted as much himself, along with 'reduce my transfer fee so I can go, because I did stay the extra year'.

 

All that aside I watched taped hightlights of the title winning season over the last couple of evenings and the noticeable difference in his effort in those games to last season was blindingly obvious.

 

Nay, staggering.

 

Whoever gets him when he's flat out trying will have a very good buy, its a shame he couldn't be bothered for us given the money he's being paid.

[Thracian]

6 minutes ago, AmarteyAndChill said:

When Riyad gets the ball, the other teams left back, left midfielder and one of the central midfielders always sprint towards him and close him down. Meanwhile the rest of our team watch him and expect him to take three of their men on. 

Many's the time he was losing the ball last season in central midfield and before his opponents had chance to muster in numbers. He just ran into the first outstretched leg in places he shouldn't have been dribbling in the first place - leaving us all over the place defensively. 

 

I'm not forgetting his good things - and there were still plenty - but no-one will convince me he was anything like as threatening as at his best or that he was especially fearful to some defenders.

 

Rather than concentrating on numbers so much I felt opponents mostly concentrated on shepherding him to the right, thus limiting that magic wand of a limb on his left.  

 

       

[MPH]

8 minutes ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Thank you MPH - he didn't want to be here last season, as he thought he was doing us a favour. 

 

He has virtually admitted as much himself, along with 'reduce my transfer fee so I can go, because I did stay the extra year'.

 

All that aside I watched taped hightlights of the title winning season over the last couple of evenings and the noticeable difference in his effort in those games to last season was blindingly obvious.

 

Nay, staggering.

 

Whoever gets him when he's flat out trying will have a very good buy, its a shame he couldn't be bothered for us given the money he's being paid.

 

 

My concern ( for him) is that their are plenty of potential suitors who  might be thinking  that if he can do that at Leicester, what will happen if he decides, for whatever reason, that he wants to leave them? Will he 'down tools'?  And do we really want to pay 50 million for someone and 150k+ per week and take that risk?

[NotTheMarketLeader]

3 hours ago, crisp packet said:

True. But he is too us.

We don't need to sell him...!

If he performs like last season he is a liability.

 

And I mean that in a financial sense as well as in playing terms.

 

4 goals from open play, and 3 assists was it in the PL in a whole season. 

 

There is no value whatsoever in having a player like that on the books. 

 

IF he were to get his shit together and find a 'birrapashun' for us and our club then it might be a different I story, but he was allowed to take the piss last season and changing that dynamic HERE I don't think will happen.

 

 

[HankMarvin]

26 million latest price mentioned

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3865711/riyad-mahrez-prepared-for-arsenal-move-because-of-arsene-wenger-despite-lack-of-champions-league-football/

[UPinCarolina]

2 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

26 million latest price mentioned

 

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/football/3865711/riyad-mahrez-prepared-for-arsenal-move-because-of-arsene-wenger-despite-lack-of-champions-league-football/

Talk about getting rinsed. £26 million is the new £15 million, and that's insultingly low.