Drinkwater

[foxinsocks]

I have decided we should not sell him

[Countryfox]

Just now, foxinsocks said:

I have decided we should not sell him

 

Phew ...    thank God for that ! ...

[Babylon]

11 hours ago, HankMarvin said:

http://www.mirror.co.uk/sport/row-zed/danny-drinkwater-chelsea-leicester-transfer-11034845

Because people on twitter with a football player as their name are the source of accurate information on Leicester players.

[Babylon]

8 minutes ago, foxinsocks said:

I have decided we should not sell him

Cheers Top.

[sylofox]

From what I've been told I really don't see this happening. Two weeks ago they made an offer of 12m. They were told no chance and not been back since.

[LCFC_Oak]

Having just watched the review of the league winning season, I can't help but think he is far more important to us than a lot of people realise. He may not always have the best stats on paper but that's because what he does is not recorded. The number of times in 15/16 that he released Vardy or Mahrez to run into space and assist each other was incredible, but because that input isn't written on WhoScored people think he doesn't do much (including all those 'knowledgable' Chelsea fans slagging him off on twitter). He lost a bit of form last season, whether through injury or by trying to do much in lieu of losing Kante, but with a Wilf having a full preseason along side him, I think he could have another cracker this year.... If he stays.

[ARM1968]

Won't go for less than £35 million. Proven PL winner, international, English. Anything less is just a joke. 

[Gerard]

19 minutes ago, sylofox said:

From what I've been told I really don't see this happening. Two weeks ago they made an offer of 12m. They were told no chance and not been back since.

 

It's all about price and I would certainly sell for £35m.

 

£12m though is as insulting as Roma's £20m offer for Mahrez. Why bother wasting everyones time, in what parallel universe do these offers get accepted or even refused after consideration?

[ARM1968]

I'd take £35 million if he wants to go and polish Chelsea's bench. 

[st albans fox]

Surely Chelsea must have made contact with his agent re likely availability before making an offer.  So his agent must have indicated it worthwhile making an offer. Maybe they didn't realise how low the offer would be! 

 

Anyone on here happy to sell without putting forward a viable replacement is lacking ambition. 

[Gerard]

4 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Surely Chelsea must have made contact with his agent re likely availability before making an offer.  So his agent must have indicated it worthwhile making an offer. Maybe they didn't realise how low the offer would be! 

 

Anyone on here happy to sell without putting forward a viable replacement is lacking ambition. 

 

I certainly don't lack ambition but I think if a £35m offer was on the table for DD we'd be mad not to take it.

 

It's likely that it's his peak value. Also considering how average DD has been the last nine months we can't be sure we're selling the DD who won a title, who knows what his future level is. With Ndidi arguably overtaking him as our No1 CM it would give an opportunity for the newly signed Iborra and now fit James and Mendy to be highly motivated to make that place their own. 

 

It's a perfect time to sell DD considering his recent form and options we have in that position. There's just so much upside to selling and very little downside.

[ZeGuy]

8 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

I certainly don't lack ambition but I think if a £35m offer was on the table for DD we'd be mad not to take it.

 

It's likely that it's his peak value. Also considering how average DD has been the last nine months we can't be sure we're selling the DD who won a title, who knows what his future level is. With Ndidi arguably overtaking him as our No1 CM it would give an opportunity for the newly signed Iborra and now fit James and Mendy to be highly motivated to make that place their own. 

 

It's a perfect time to sell DD considering his recent form and options we have in that position. There's just so much upside to selling and very little downside.

Supposing we're to sell him, who are you going to bring in? You seem to be only interested in the money we could make. Do you think it's enough to splash it to bring players in? We're no Barca or Real, even with the cash it's not guaranteed that your wish list will be fullfilled.

 

 Whilst DD was crap for the most of the last season, nothing says he won't be back to his 2015/16 level. Iborra is an unknown, Mendy comes back from a Long time injury and James will certainly need a bit of time to adjust himself. Anartey is a plug just in case and King isn't a starter

 

The transfer window is closing in one week for god's sake.

[Gerard]

Just now, ZeGuy said:

Supposing we're to sell him, who are you going to bring in? You seem to be only interested in the money we could make. Do you think it's enough to splash it to bring players in? We're no Barca or Real, even with the cash it's not guaranteed that your wish list will be fullfilled.

 

 Whilst DD was crap for the most of the last season, nothing says he won't be back to his 2015/16 level. Iborra is an unknown, Mendy comes back from a Long time injury and James will certainly need a bit of time to adjust himself. Anartey is a plug just in case and King isn't a starter

 

The transfer window is closing in one week for god's sake.

 

You're making a lot of assumptions that:

 

1) Drinkwater will return to his title winning level and not his level of the last nine months.

2) Iborra will underperform even though we spent £12m on the 29 year old.

3) Mendy won't make the grade

4) James won't be the same player again.

 

You'll be right that we should have kept DD providing you score 4/4 of the above assumptions. I will be right if you only get 3/4 of the above or less.

 

For £35m I'd sell DD and try to replace in house. If it all goes wrong we can spend some of that £35m in four months. We're likely to finish mid table this season neither threatening the relegation spots or the European places so we can easily gamble here on something with a huge upside and very little downside.

[Ian S]

4 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

You're making a lot of assumptions that:

 

1) Drinkwater will return to his title winning level and not his level of the last nine months.

2) Iborra will underperform even though we spent £12m on the 29 year old.

3) Mendy won't make the grade

4) James won't be the same player again.

 

You'll be right that we should have kept DD providing you score 4/4 of the above assumptions. I will be right if you only get 3/4 of the above or less.

 

For £35m I'd sell DD and try to replace in house. If it all goes wrong we can spend some of that £35m in four months. We're likely to finish mid table this season neither threatening the relegation spots or the European places so we can easily gamble here on something with a huge upside and very little downside.

Why do people keep ignoring the fact that Drinkwater was playing with an injury for a large chunk of the season, and just maybe! that might have had something to do with his form.And it is not like he was on his own being poor for a large part of the season.

[Countryfox]

6 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

You're making a lot of assumptions that:

 

1) Drinkwater will return to his title winning level and not his level of the last nine months.

2) Iborra will underperform even though we spent £12m on the 29 year old.

3) Mendy won't make the grade

4) James won't be the same player again.

 

You'll be right that we should have kept DD providing you score 4/4 of the above assumptions. I will be right if you only get 3/4 of the above or less.

 

For £35m I'd sell DD and try to replace in house. If it all goes wrong we can spend some of that £35m in four months. We're likely to finish mid table this season neither threatening the relegation spots or the European places so we can easily gamble here on something with a huge upside and very little downside.

Very good argument but I still think we should keep him ...    if we really have aspirations of moving forward you do not sell an English international who (should be when fully fit) a pivotal part of our team.

[ZeGuy]

4 minutes ago, Gerard said:

 

You're making a lot of assumptions that:

 

1) Drinkwater will return to his title winning level and not his level of the last nine months.

2) Iborra will underperform even though we spent £12m on the 29 year old.

3) Mendy won't make the grade

4) James won't be the same player again.

 

You'll be right that we should have kept DD providing you score 4/4 of the above assumptions. I will be right if you only get 3/4 of the above or less.

 

For £35m I'd sell DD and try to replace in house. If it all goes wrong we can spend some of that £35m in four months. We're likely to finish mid table this season neither threatening the relegation spots or the European places so we can easily gamble here on something with a huge upside and very little downside.

Can say exactly the same about you:

 

1) DD will stay crap

2) Iborra will be a world beater

3) See 2

4) See 2 and 3

 

The only difference being that you'll find yourself with one midfielder less. 

 

35M will get you naught by the actual markt prices especially in january is not exactly the best window to make some deals (please don't come at me with the Ndidi one-off, as we struggled to sign anyone else and ended up with the mighty Molla Wague). And you'll have lost precious points until then.

 

[Gerard]

Just now, Ian S said:

Why do people keep ignoring the fact that Drinkwater was playing with an injury for a large chunk of the season, and just maybe! that might have had something to do with his form.And it is not like he was on his own being poor for a large part of the season.

 

I'm not completely ignoring that. I accept the possibility that he was playing within himself but I also take into consideration that he played for six months with this "injury" so how injured was he? Also this "injury" might be ongoing which is another plus to sell whilst we can.

 

It's unlikely DD will ever be valued at this sort of figure again so considering our options in this position and we don't know what DD we will get back there is enough uncertainty to cash in now.

 

As I've said the upside is huge in cashing in at £35m but the downside is negligible.

[Gerard]

4 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Can say exactly the same about you:

 

1) DD will stay crap

2) Iborra will be a world beater

3) See 2

4) See 2 and 3

 

The only difference being that you'll find yourself with one midfielder less. 

 

35M will get you naught by the actual markt prices especially in january is not exactly the best window to make some deals (please don't come at me with the Ndidi one-off, as we struggled to sign anyone else and ended up with the mighty Molla Wague). And you'll have lost precious points until then.

 

 

You're panicking that everything will go against us. 

 

Drinkwater will be one of the best midfielders in the league and Iborra, James and Mendy will be so inept that we're forced to panic buy in January.

 

I'd like to hear what those who would refuse a £40m offer for DD what price would they sell him for minimum?

[ZeGuy]

10 minutes ago, Ian S said:

Why do people keep ignoring the fact that Drinkwater was playing with an injury for a large chunk of the season, and just maybe! that might have had something to do with his form.And it is not like he was on his own being poor for a large part of the season.

Dunno. Leaning toward the urban legend to cover up for his crap performances and the fact that he was playing because there was no sound alternative. Makes zero sense to play an injured player for so long unless you want to ruin his career.

 

The only time Shakey spoke about an injury, he said what it was and didn't play him as long as it was the case.

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, Gerard said:

 

You're panicking that everything will go against us. 

 

Drinkwater will be one of the best midfielders in the league and Iborra, James and Mendy will be so inept that we're forced to panic buy in January.

 

I'd like to hear what those who would refuse a £40m offer for DD what price would they sell him for minimum?

I'm not panicking, just saying that you won't get an adequate replacement in such a short time. You're not PSG or Barca. Not every good footballer wants to play for us.

[Gerard]

Just now, ZeGuy said:

I'm not panicking, just saying that you won't get an adequate replacement in such a short time. You're not PSG or Barca. Not every good footballer wants to play for us.

 

I don't think we need to buy.

 

Ndidi is arguably our No1 CM now.

 

James kept DD out the team pre injury.

Mendy was bought as a first team player.

Iborra was bought as a first team player.

 

With King and Amartey as options in that position as well we are overloaded. It would be ideal if we could get a huge fee for DD as it gives James, Mendy and Iborra an opportunity to make that position their own. As I've said there is huge upside and very little downside for a whole host of reasons.

[Old Fox]

Boy there is some rubbish written on here - we should be looking to develop our club to be a consistent Top 10 aspiring to be Top 6 club - I know for a fact that is the owners aspiration to which they believe that we could break into the Top 6 to be competing for Champions League!!

 

To do this you keep your best players than less they are unhappy and then you move them on - but on our terms.

 

All of our quality players agreed lucrative new contracts and only one has asked to leave.

 

DD is our best creative midfielder and the heartbeat to our team - he should not be allowed to leave unless we receive a ridiculous offer £40m+ - that is also the owners expectation and should that happen we will 100% need to replace him!

 

To do this with the window closing in 8 days would be highly problematic.

 

Mendy is leaving

James is not at the DD level yet and is a risk - he was nowhere near the level DD was the season before last and DD had an injury for more than half the season.

Amartey is viewed as a defender

King is a utility player

Iborra is new to the PL and a risk to be considered as the answer

 

That all adds up to huge risk and only a ridiculous offer would be accepted.

 

Those fans that believe a position different to this live in cloud cuckoo land - luckily internally this is the position and one that the club will stand firm on.

 

I 100% hope that DD does not go as he is absolutely key to the next 2-3 years of the club growing and developing in line with the owners plans!!!!!

[Ian S]

47 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

Dunno. Leaning toward the urban legend to cover up for his crap performances and the fact that he was playing because there was no sound alternative. Makes zero sense to play an injured player for so long unless you want to ruin his career.

 

The only time Shakey spoke about an injury, he said what it was and didn't play him as long as it was the case.

He was consistently pulled out of England's squads as we managed his injury situation, the minute we were safe he was pulled out of  our squad.

Guess we ought to sell Vardy as well if Chelsea make a good offer as he was crap for most of last season as well, with no injury excuse.Yes he has played well since but Drinkwater has yet to be afforded that opportunity when fit.

And why do we need the money anyway?

Anyone who thinks our midfield options minus Drinkwater are good enough at the moment really must be clueless.

 

[st albans fox]

Gerard - I understand your argument but the upside of keeping him is potentially huge (big part of euro qualification, keeping best players and attracting good ones) whereas the downside of keeping him is perhaps £20m against a 35m offer if he plays like second half last season. (And yes, he was injured)

[Babylon]

I'm confused, other than money what's the upside to selling him? We give a load of crocks the chance to prove themselves good enough, that's not an upside it's a totally needless risk. We found ourselves in the exact position you say we won't find ourselves in last season.

 

You know I'm into the money side of the game Gerard, but you fixation on money goes way too far.