Drinkwater

[NZ_Foxile]

11 minutes ago, Babylon said:

I'm confused, other than money what's the upside to selling him? We give a load of crocks the chance to prove themselves good enough, that's not an upside it's a totally needless risk. We found ourselves in the exact position you say we won't find ourselves in last season.

 

You know I'm into the money side of the game Gerard, but you fixation on money goes way too far.

I agree re. the fixation with money. I was starting to wonder if Gerard is the club's bank manager  

[Webbo]

If he wants to leave and we get a decent price for him we should sell. No point keeping someone who doesn't want to be here. I believe we should be gradually rebuilding the team anyway and I'm prepared to gamble that his replacements will be good enough.

[Countryfox]

21 minutes ago, Webbo said:

No point keeping someone who doesn't want to be here.

I'd normally agree with that but think that there are levels of degree to this and although DD might see an upside to the move (bigger club, more dosh) there are also potential downsides (less game time, might not get chosen, style doesn't suit team mates, etc etc) ...  he is probably aware of that and if the move doesn't go through I don't think he will be overly disappointed ...     it will be business as usual for him.   

[Great Boos Up]

Remember the pictures of when he went to that elite London nightclub and got turned away as the spuds players were going in. 

His expression said it all. I think of all the players we have and considering his prime age he is the most likely to move on.

It's the quiet ones to watch. Accept 41million. It'll be Chelsea again I bet.

[Stevosevic]

Latest:

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/08/23/chelsea-determined-sign-35m-alex-oxlade-chamberlain-arsenal/amp/

[Number 6]

Also seem to be assuming his value won't go up but ignoring how much influence recent TV deals have had on player values. If we sold and didn't replace now we'd perhaps end up buying the replacement in an inflated market.

[Ric Flair]

The silence out of our club is unusual on this. I wonder if he really does want to leave hence why we've not publicly said anything yet, so like Mahrez he has a price.

[Guest ttfn]

7 hours ago, Babylon said:

I'm confused, other than money what's the upside to selling him? We give a load of crocks the chance to prove themselves good enough, that's not an upside it's a totally needless risk. We found ourselves in the exact position you say we won't find ourselves in last season.

 

You know I'm into the money side of the game Gerard, but you fixation on money goes way too far.

The upside to selling him is that:

a) you give a chance to somebody else to cement a place in the first XI (James? Iborra?)

b) you redirect finances towards other areas that we are woefully under-resourced (Right Back and Centre Back)

c) you get an excellent price for a player whose true ability we have very little idea of.

d) much as with the integration of Maguire, it gives us a chance to evolve from the title winning team into something slightly different.

 

Yes, it would be a risk, but so would turning down £30m+ for a player who's either been injured for the best part of a year or has managed 1 decent season out of 3 at this level.

 

If we can sell Drinkwater and use it to fund a decent defender that feels like a good use of our resources to me. Then again I seem to rate him far lower than just about everybody else based on this thread.

[Guest ttfn]

7 minutes ago, Number 6 said:

Also seem to be assuming his value won't go up but ignoring how much influence recent TV deals have had on player values. If we sold and didn't replace now we'd perhaps end up buying the replacement in an inflated market.

This is a good point.

 

Not sure the market would change that much between now and January though in terms of finding a replacement.

 

What I would say is that if Drinkwater has another season like he did in 2015/16, we're not going to get much more than £40m anyway unless the market jumps again. If he has another season like 2016/17, we'd be lucky to see £15m this time next year.

 

[st albans fox]

13 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

The silence out of our club is unusual on this. I wonder if he really does want to leave hence why we've not publicly said anything yet, so like Mahrez he has a price.

Compared to previous managers (ranieri and Pearson), shakey is almost giving a running commentary !!  haven't you realised that we are a club that says virtually nothing about our transfer activity, in or out. 

[ajthefox]

Can I just ask why the fvck Drinky was playing injured for a season? Seriously, I may have been lax over summer but I don't recall him undergoing any major surgery or anything that required months of rest. Why didn't we rest him for a month or two and then let him come back at 100%??

 

There is something very strange about playing someone week in, week out (often more than once a week) and then saying they've been injured all season.

[Tielemans63]

3 minutes ago, ajthefox said:

Can I just ask why the fvck Drinky was playing injured for a season? Seriously, I may have been lax over summer but I don't recall him undergoing any major surgery or anything that required months of rest. Why didn't we rest him for a month or two and then let him come back at 100%??

 

There is something very strange about playing someone week in, week out (often more than once a week) and then saying they've been injured all season.

It's quite common for players to play with 'manageable' injuries- particularly when they're as crucial to a side as Danny is to us and when the alternatives aren't great. He likely had painkilling injections and probably trained less intensively to get through but obviously he's then playing at say 80% rather than 100%. DD at 80% is prob still more effective than Kingy at 100% to be honest. Would explain the situation with England - his body probably couldn't hold up to extra games on the international stage.

[ajthefox]

14 minutes ago, Paddy. said:

It's quite common for players to play with 'manageable' injuries- particularly when they're as crucial to a side as Danny is to us and when the alternatives aren't great. He likely had painkilling injections and probably trained less intensively to get through but obviously he's then playing at say 80% rather than 100%. DD at 80% is prob still more effective than Kingy at 100% to be honest. Would explain the situation with England - his body probably couldn't hold up to extra games on the international stage.

That's mostly what I suspect/I agree with what you've said about Kingy but I would argue that Drinky at 80% for 100% of the season is less beneficial to the side over the season than Drinky at 100% for 80% of the season. 

[HankMarvin]

https://www.thesun.co.uk/sport/4309122/chelsea-transfer-news-danny-drinkwater-offer/

 

 

 

Chelsea launch new Danny Drinkwater raid as they try and tempt Leicester with £32m bid as deadline looms

CHELSEA are preparing a new £32million offer to land Danny Drinkwater.

[Tuna]

He'll go to Chelsea, start about 7 games and be on loan at Stoke within a year.

[lanefox]

Talksport convinced he is going for 30 million

[MadKaw]

 

Leicester owners to hold talks to avoid deadline disaster: Chiefs insist no star sales

LEICESTER'S mega-rich owners have held Far East summit talks to head off a deadline day disaster.

[Vardinio'sCat]

15 hours ago, ZeGuy said:

Dunno. Leaning toward the urban legend to cover up for his crap performances and the fact that he was playing because there was no sound alternative. Makes zero sense to play an injured player for so long unless you want to ruin his career.

 

The only time Shakey spoke about an injury, he said what it was and didn't play him as long as it was the case.

 

Is that when we were told that he wasn't joining up with England because he was nursing an injury, which needed an op to fix? (and that the op was being put off so DD could help with the task of keeping us up).

 

Would you like me to google it for you? 

[Vardinio'sCat]

4 hours ago, ajthefox said:

Can I just ask why the fvck Drinky was playing injured for a season? Seriously, I may have been lax over summer but I don't recall him undergoing any major surgery or anything that required months of rest. Why didn't we rest him for a month or two and then let him come back at 100%??

 

There is something very strange about playing someone week in, week out (often more than once a week) and then saying they've been injured all season.

 

Well. it wasn't all season, for a start. He was pretty much our only decent  player for the first couple of months, and many other posters have acknowledged this.The other thing to bear in mind is how short of quality CM's we were at the start of last season, with King and Amartey taking turns in failing (with a few notable exceptional games), until Wilf arrived in the mid-season window.

 

I dunno if it was major surgery, but DD certainly didn't come haring out of the blocks in pre-season, so maybe the op had somethin to do with it. That is speculation though, as I haven't seen this op mentioned since last season, but it was often mentioned when he was repeatedly withdrawn from the England squad.

[Babylon]

5 hours ago, ttfn said:

The upside to selling him is that:

a) you give a chance to somebody else to cement a place in the first XI (James? Iborra?)

b) you redirect finances towards other areas that we are woefully under-resourced (Right Back and Centre Back)

c) you get an excellent price for a player whose true ability we have very little idea of.

d) much as with the integration of Maguire, it gives us a chance to evolve from the title winning team into something slightly different.

 

Yes, it would be a risk, but so would turning down £30m+ for a player who's either been injured for the best part of a year or has managed 1 decent season out of 3 at this level.

 

If we can sell Drinkwater and use it to fund a decent defender that feels like a good use of our resources to me. Then again I seem to rate him far lower than just about everybody else based on this thread.

A isn't an upside. Iborra will not work in a 4, I'm petty sure of that. Which leaves two long term injured, one with serious game issues and King who just isn't good enough

 

B there are other players more worthy of shipping out, Ike those with barely a good game in three years

 

C we don't need the money

 

D we aren't going to do that with the players we already have. So that means buying someone and our recruitment has been as unpredictable as Musa's shooting.

 

If the window was open for another month I might have a different view.  But should we we sell him and someone gets injured, people will be screaming blue murder on here if we have no quality replacement.

[ZeGuy]

3 hours ago, Vardinio'sCat said:

 

Is that when we were told that he wasn't joining up with England because he was nursing an injury, which needed an op to fix? (and that the op was being put off so DD could help with the task of keeping us up).

 

Would you like me to google it for you? 

He had bruised ribs in November 2016. And after that? What was the injury that made him play so bad for the next 6 months? What's the other injury that made him equally bad in the pre-season?

[Simi]

9 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

The silence out of our club is unusual on this. I wonder if he really does want to leave hence why we've not publicly said anything yet, so like Mahrez he has a price.

John Percy has been very quiet on this recently. Considering there is a Telegraph link from above I'd say all this is coming out of Chelsea / possibly made up. Chelsea seem to be scattering the market at the moment, so it could be a ploy for them to help move deals through quickly for their key targets. For which, unfortunately, I think DD is one.

[st albans fox]

41 minutes ago, ZeGuy said:

He had bruised ribs in November 2016. And after that? What was the injury that made him play so bad for the next 6 months? What's the other injury that made him equally bad in the pre-season?

 

He had a groin issue. If you watch games closely you can see him avoiding certain movements such as playing first time  'round the corner' quick passes. it was clearest to me at West Ham.  

 

For all we know it might not be completely curable for him and if so, we may be dragging out a sale in the hope that Chelsea go through with the deadline day deal despite discovering the issue! (Conspiracy theory at its finest)

[Tielemans63]

8 hours ago, ajthefox said:

That's mostly what I suspect/I agree with what you've said about Kingy but I would argue that Drinky at 80% for 100% of the season is less beneficial to the side over the season than Drinky at 100% for 80% of the season. 

Yeah, that's definitely a fair point and I agree but I think sometimes (maybe too often) the decision is down to the player and they're never going to say 'No' because no footballer wants to risk his first team place.

 

I think the fact that we were in a relegation scrap for almost the entire season was a factor too in the sense that Drinky was always going to be a key player. If we'd been midtable also-rans then he may have been given more time to get himself 100% fit as arguably his absence would have been less critical.

 

 

 

[ZeGuy]

1 minute ago, st albans fox said:

 

He had a groin issue. If you watch games closely you can see him avoiding certain movements such as playing first time  'round the corner' quick passes. it was clearest to me at West Ham.  

Sorry, I'm no doc and prefer to rely on a medical report coming from the club.

 

We were updated for any other injured player with a precise input. I knew about every injury of team member one way or another and honestly can't remember anything about DD other than his bruised ribs at the end the of last year.

 

At some point , the sentence "he's probably carrying a knock" plopped on this forum and was echoed since then, but there was no official comment about this injury as far as I can remember.

 

He was indeed injured at the end of the last season and Shakey took him then out with an official statement about the nature of the injury.

 

And it still does not explain to me why he wasn't great in the pre-season, playing exactly like from nov 2016 to may 2017. He was supposed to be fit again, wasn't he? Or he was playing again with a knock that made him constantly pass backwards?