Babylon Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 9 minutes ago, Gerard said: Mendy is almost fit as well. If Drinkwater gets sold then all these players are highly motivated to grab his first team place, James was a first team player before his injury and Mendy and Iborra were surely bought to be first team players. There is very little downside in selling Drinkwater for the fees mentioned considering the possible replacements we already have in the squad and that we're judging him on the player he was 1-2 years a go rather than the one we've seen in the last nine months. £35m really balances the books as well. The key word being "possible" replacements. Literally of all the options we've only got one person we know for sure we can rely upon (and he's 20). All of the others still have question marks over them, for me that's far too big a risk.
Gerard Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 12 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Please don't consider Mendy or Amarty as replacement/cover for DD. Neither have proven anything. In fact neither has Iborra yet. So we have two proven capable mids in Ndidi and James if we sell DD. Still think we should sell? Yes I think we should sell. Ndidi is our No1 CM. Of the rest: James was ahead of Drinkwater before his injury. Mendy and Iborra were bought as a first team midfielders. King and Amartey have played there quite a lot for us. If Drinkwater goes we have five players who could feasibly take his place. We have plenty of options in that area, you may not like them all but they're all first team squad players. At the price quoted I'm more than happy to cash in on DD and replace from within. If that doesn't work out then we have lots of money to find a replacement. The squad needs thinning out and selling what is arguably now just an average first team player for us if we judge him on last season is excellent business.
Gerard Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: The key word being "possible" replacements. Literally of all the options we've only got one person we know for sure we can rely upon (and he's 20). All of the others still have question marks over them, for me that's far too big a risk. It depends on how you define "risk". I expect us to finish comfortable mid table this season with little danger of being relegated or troubling a European place. I'm happy enough to cash in on DD and allow an opportunity for someone within the squad to replace him. Even if that's a failure it won't cost us that many points and we could buy again in January. Even the worst case scenario isn't that bad.
Guest ttfn Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 2 minutes ago, Babylon said: The key word being "possible" replacements. Literally of all the options we've only got one person we know for sure we can rely upon (and he's 20). All of the others still have question marks over them, for me that's far too big a risk. I think Drinkwater still has a big question mark over him too. One season where he (and most others) struggled, one fantastic season next to Kante, 3 good months without him, six months supposedly not fit but extremely underwhelming to say the least. At this level we have no idea who the real Drinkwater is. He could be a £50 million player or he could be a £10 million player.
Babylon Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 Just now, ttfn said: I think Drinkwater still has a big question mark over him too. One season where he (and most others) struggled, one fantastic season next to Kante, 3 good months without him, six months supposedly not fit but extremely underwhelming to say the least. At this level we have no idea who the real Drinkwater is. He could be a £50 million player or he could be a £10 million player. He has far less of a question mark than the others though, i think we can all agree on that.
Babylon Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 1 minute ago, Gerard said: It depends on how you define "risk". I expect us to finish comfortable mid table this season with little danger of being relegated or troubling a European place. I'm happy enough to cash in on DD and allow an opportunity for someone within the squad to replace him. Even if that's a failure it won't cost us that many points and we could buy again in January. Even the worst case scenario isn't that bad. If we end up playing King or Amartey in CM, then there would be a risk of getting dragged into relegation trouble. Can we take a risk on long term injured like James and Mendy staying fit? We do not need the money, so unless we have someone lined up as a serious replacement then I'm not interested at all.
Guest ttfn Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 6 minutes ago, Babylon said: He has far less of a question mark than the others though, i think we can all agree on that. True. The bottom end of my scale for Drinkwater is £10m and I don't think you could say the same for King (no market in the PL for him), James (coming back from injury), Mendy or Iborra (totally unproven)
Gerard Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 Just now, Babylon said: If we end up playing King or Amartey in CM, then there would be a risk of getting dragged into relegation trouble. Can we take a risk on long term injured like James and Mendy staying fit? We do not need the money, so unless we have someone lined up as a serious replacement then I'm not interested at all. Money is always welcome, it's not about "needing" the money but getting more than value for someone should always be considered. You are looking at the worst case scenario, with that outlook we should have more than three first team goalkeeper choices just in case. We only need to find one CM to partner Ndidi. It's a bit of a leap that Iborra is not up to it and James and Mendy get injured again. Whilst King and Amartey may not be ideal they are both first team squad players and we can still buy again in four months time if all what you said happened.
Jimbo Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 29 minutes ago, Marshall Cockney Fox said: Please don't consider Mendy or Amarty as replacement/cover for DD. Neither have proven anything. In fact neither has Iborra yet. So we have two proven capable mids in Ndidi and James if we sell DD. Still think we should sell? I'm not saying we should sell but there is a massive hole in your argument. Was Ndidi a proven capable midfielder this time last year?? We can't write off either Iborra or Mendy until they've had the same chance to prove themselves that was awarded to Ndidi
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 19 hours ago, LCFCABC said: Jordy Clasie as a replacement? Young with PL experience. Why would he leave Saints for us?
Samilktray Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 5 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said: Why would he leave Saints for us? Been told he can leave
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 8 minutes ago, Samilktray said: Been told he can leave Oh right decent, didn't realise.
sdb Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 Shaving off £10,000,000. What is this world? We need to play hard ball. He's one of our starters, they are filthy rich, and if we lose him below market value we've shown ourselves as easy targets, which will be a hard reputation to shake off.
Koke Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 We'll probably meet half way and sell him for £35m. Iborra and James aren't as mobile as Drinkwater. Amartey & King aren't good enough and Mendy is unknown quantity. So we do need to buy another CM, and ideally offload another one. 7 CMs for 2 positions. That's way too many.
Guest Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 49 minutes ago, Gerard said: Yes I think we should sell. Ndidi is our No1 CM. Of the rest: James was ahead of Drinkwater before his injury. Mendy and Iborra were bought as a first team midfielders. King and Amartey have played there quite a lot for us. If Drinkwater goes we have five players who could feasibly take his place. We have plenty of options in that area, you may not like them all but they're all first team squad players. At the price quoted I'm more than happy to cash in on DD and replace from within. If that doesn't work out then we have lots of money to find a replacement. The squad needs thinning out and selling what is arguably now just an average first team player for us if we judge him on last season is excellent business. Dd is our best midfielder alongside ndidi. The rest do not compare.
Babylon Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 35 minutes ago, Gerard said: Money is always welcome, it's not about "needing" the money but getting more than value for someone should always be considered. I would have been considered two months ago, not a week before the window shuts. 35 minutes ago, Gerard said: You are looking at the worst case scenario, with that outlook we should have more than three first team goalkeeper choices just in case. That's called management and trying to not get yourself into a needless position. 35 minutes ago, Gerard said: We only need to find one CM to partner Ndidi. It's a bit of a leap that Iborra is not up to it and James and Mendy get injured again. Whilst King and Amartey may not be ideal they are both first team squad players and we can still buy again in four months time if all what you said happened. I'm looking at a scenario we've already had very recently. Multiple players injured in an important position and us getting spanked playing King or Amartey in the middle. Ditto for "named" player coming from another league, and not fitting in (Inler). So it's not exactly a huge leap of imagination to be in that situation again. We have no idea if any of them are good enough. It's a pointless and needless risk just to raise a bit of extra cash we don't need.
Babylon Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 43 minutes ago, Jimbo said: I'm not saying we should sell but there is a massive hole in your argument. Was Ndidi a proven capable midfielder this time last year?? We can't write off either Iborra or Mendy until they've had the same chance to prove themselves that was awarded to Ndidi Neither can you put all your eggs in that basket and trust them. They weren't signed as replacements for DD.
Scotch Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 1 hour ago, Gerard said: Yes I think we should sell. Ndidi is our No1 CM. Of the rest: James was ahead of Drinkwater before his injury. Mendy and Iborra were bought as a first team midfielders. King and Amartey have played there quite a lot for us. If Drinkwater goes we have five players who could feasibly take his place. We have plenty of options in that area, you may not like them all but they're all first team squad players. At the price quoted I'm more than happy to cash in on DD and replace from within. If that doesn't work out then we have lots of money to find a replacement. The squad needs thinning out and selling what is arguably now just an average first team player for us if we judge him on last season is excellent business. Don't agree with this. If DD is "Just an average first team player" based on last year then that makes King and Amartey well below half decent based on last year. Mendy and James have both struggled immensely with injuries that's yet to be seen how extensively have effected them and Iborra is an unknown in this league/country/style of football. We know what we get with Drinky and although that may be inconsistent, it's a he'll of a lot more than we get from any of the other options available. IF we do sell him, we need to replace him, IMO.
Marshall Cockney Fox Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 15 minutes ago, Koke said: We'll probably meet half way and sell him for £35m. Iborra and James aren't as mobile as Drinkwater. Amartey & King aren't good enough and Mendy is unknown quantity. So we do need to buy another CM, and ideally offload another one. 7 CMs for 2 positions. That's way too many. That's true. But it's about retaining the right ones. King is happy to be 4/5 choice. Mendy won't be.
HankMarvin Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 What about having Okazaki as a more attacking cm, he certainly knows how to be a pest and hurry players on the ball, sure he doesn't have DDs long range passing ability but he has other qualities to utilise for 60 mins +.
sk3since03 Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 Be daft to sell Drinkwater at any price really! Granted he's no Paul Scholes, but he's pricless to this Leicester City side of recent years ! Be gutted if he were to go! Don't sell
Babylon Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 14 minutes ago, HankMarvin said: What about having Okazaki as a more attacking cm, he certainly knows how to be a pest and hurry players on the ball, sure he doesn't have DDs long range passing ability but he has other qualities to utilise for 60 mins +. No.
Leeds Fox Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 4 hours ago, HankMarvin said: What about having Okazaki as a more attacking cm, he certainly knows how to be a pest and hurry players on the ball, sure he doesn't have DDs long range passing ability but he has other qualities to utilise for 60 mins +. Okazaki is nothing like a central midfielder.
MPH Posted 22 August 2017 Posted 22 August 2017 So in a normal persons world, we would have a replacement lined up if we were seriously considering selling him.... I'd hate for him to leave... we all love a bit of Double D! But it does fill me with immense pride that the likes of Chelsea are after our best players not Stoke and Burnley....
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