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Mount Rushmore of Leicester Legends

By stripeyfox, in Leicester City Forum

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the fox

the fox

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2 hours ago, ajthefox said:

Haha. I love the bloke I really do but you are so biased it's mad. You are really, really stretching. It would help if you'd given these awards their official titles and been less vague but anyway..


For starters, half of them are hardly real awards. Coming 7th in the ballon d'or is not an award, winning the ballon d'or is the award. 

 

Feel free to look at our Gary's list of awards...


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gary_Lineker#Honours

 

More importantly than that though, the only silverware Riyad has to his name is a PL and a championship title. Most decorated is arguably more about team honours than it is individual awards and being put in some journalists team of the year. There are umpteen Leicester players with more trophy winning medals to their name than Riyad.

 

Note below it says decorated players and lists the club honours they have won.

http://www.telegraph.co.uk/football/2017/02/27/zlatan-ibrahimovics-32nd-trophy-win-decorated-players-football/philipp-lahm/

 

You said Riyad is the most decorated player in the history of the club. You are wrong.

Wait, did Gary win all of those at Leicester, because you can name Kane while you at it!

 

And those are accolades not awards (talking about riyad)

 

I remember what Shanon Sharpe (a former NFL player) said when he talked about the hall of fame, some thing like "when they like you, they will make a compelling argument for you"

 

Can't see why should vardy be there and not riyad, they both had 1 world class season while riyad had more accolades as a Leicester player (like riyad being the only Leicester player in the 2014 world club for example)

 

 

There is one reason though, vardy is English! Not knocking anyone for having some bias (I'm also a bit biased), those are their lists, but when a player is consider in the list of the best Leicester players ever, its weird that he isn't on mount Rushmore.

 

Sampson

Sampson

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3 hours ago, the fox said:

Wait, did Gary win all of those at Leicester, because you can name Kane while you at it!

 

And those are accolades not awards (talking about riyad)

 

I remember what Shanon Sharpe (a former NFL player) said when he talked about the hall of fame, some thing like "when they like you, they will make a compelling argument for you"

 

Can't see why should vardy be there and not riyad, they both had 1 world class season while riyad had more accolades as a Leicester player (like riyad being the only Leicester player in the 2014 world club for example)

 

 

There is one reason though, vardy is English! Not knocking anyone for having some bias (I'm also a bit biased), those are their lists, but when a player is consider in the list of the best Leicester players ever, its weird that he isn't on mount Rushmore.

 

Are you for real? Stop thinking you know what club's fans feel and have been through when you support a player not the club.

 

It's not at all because he is English at all, it's because he's a much bigger part if the "story" of us getting where we are.

 

Look, to an Algerian who started following us in 2015 you may think the story of us winning the league starts in 2015 but it doesn't! It starts for most of us in 2008 away at Stoke when we were relegated to our lowest ever position! Most of us have been through the ringer and then some on the way to that season.

 

Vardy is a bigger legend than Mahrez to most Leicester fans because he played a much bigger part in that whole story. 

 

Vardy was absolutely outstanding in our Championship winning season - which was a huge deal for us all, we'd been outside the top flight for a decade and seen some absolutely rancid shit and that felt like a final rebirth. Vardy was also absolutely outstanding in our great escape and was also much better than Mahrez last season too.

 

You're right they both had one world class season which helped win us the league - but alongside that Vardy has also had 3 other excellent seasons in the position we were in which Mahrez simply hasn't - Vardy hasn't just had one amazing season for Leicester and in context to our evolution into where we are today - he's had more - which is the point! It's not just about the title or being English, it's that Vardy was there for so many more important and outstanding moments. It's that Vardy was absolutely outstanding and one of the keys to our Championship title and great escape when Mahrez wasn't.

 

Again, you have to understand the entire history of the football club and the 15 or 20 years leading up to the PL title win as to why Vardy was such a key player in revitalizing the whole club in the way Mahrez simply wasn't. Don't make yourself look silly by coming onto a forum for a club and accusing the majority of its fans of jingoism and xenophobia when you only understand part of the story.

 

The reason Vardy is a bigger legend than Mahrez in the majority of Leicester's fans eyes goes way beyond the title win or some absurd accusations of xenophobia.

foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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4 hours ago, the fox said:

Wait, did Gary win all of those at Leicester, because you can name Kane while you at it!

 

And those are accolades not awards (talking about riyad)

 

I remember what Shanon Sharpe (a former NFL player) said when he talked about the hall of fame, some thing like "when they like you, they will make a compelling argument for you"

 

Can't see why should vardy be there and not riyad, they both had 1 world class season while riyad had more accolades as a Leicester player (like riyad being the only Leicester player in the 2014 world club for example)

 

 

There is one reason though, vardy is English! Not knocking anyone for having some bias (I'm also a bit biased), those are their lists, but when a player is consider in the list of the best Leicester players ever, its weird that he isn't on mount Rushmore.

 

You really are the most tedious poster on this forum. Your opinion extends to Riyad Mahrez and nothing else. Don't talk to us about our history as you have no idea

the fox

the fox

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1 hour ago, foxfanazer said:

You really are the most tedious poster on this forum. Your opinion extends to Riyad Mahrez and nothing else. Don't talk to us about our history as you have no idea

Oh, you hurt my feelings lol

I'm actually quite active in the general chat forum, you can go check the joke thread, the funny images, sometimes in the TV series thread, the fantasy pl thread, and even the game of thrones thread for that matter and couple more threads. And that's just outside of football!

 

And btw, that's called, my opinion!! Which I backed up with some solid facts/reasons, its not my problem that you think differently!

the fox

the fox

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2 hours ago, Sampson said:

The reason Vardy is a bigger legend than Mahrez in the majority of Leicester's fans eyes goes way beyond the title win or some absurd accusations of xenophobia.

Easy there, no one is calling anyone xenophobic, I pointed out that people prefer vardy because "English bias" my have something to do with it! Just I theory I have thrown there, just like you calling me biased (which I admitted I'm a bit. I am a bit biased but, I'm neither blind nor dumb)

 

You missed the part where I said that "those were people's lists and they can do/say whatever they want"

 

BTW, those 3 "great seasons" before the title winning run, he scored 4 and 5 goals in 2 of them, while he was a ghost before Claudio was sacked and many accused him of being unprofessional and other ugly thing, but this forum seems to have amnesia so, meh!

but I can give the championship winning season, he did very good.

 

I tried to have a balanced argument based on stats and accolades (with admittedly a suggestion that rubbed some the wrong way) but people seem to throw the "you don't know how it was in the dark days" talk whenever some new fan challenges their opinions, if you are not interested in building your argument on facts (just like you saying that vardy had 3 excellent season, which is not correct) than going on an argument that may lead to me getting a suspension won't do me any good!

Nalis

Nalis

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Really stuck on no 4. Got Ranieri, Morgan, Vardy so far but feel like an ode to the past (70s or 90s) rather than simply sticking in Mahrez or Pearson. 

foxfanazer

foxfanazer

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2 hours ago, the fox said:

Oh, you hurt my feelings lol

I'm actually quite active in the general chat forum, you can go check the joke thread, the funny images, sometimes in the TV series thread, the fantasy pl thread, and even the game of thrones thread for that matter and couple more threads. And that's just outside of football!

 

And btw, that's called, my opinion!! Which I backed up with some solid facts/reasons, its not my problem that you think differently!

Ok I see how you could incorporate Mahrez posts in the other threads but how do you manage to mention him in the game of thrones thread. Was he a guest appearance for being PFA POTY?

 

I take back the most tedious poster comment, you've not earned that yet lol

trabuch

trabuch

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56 minutes ago, Nalis said:

Really stuck on no 4. Got Ranieri, Morgan, Vardy so far but feel like an ode to the past (70s or 90s) rather than simply sticking in Mahrez or Pearson. 

Gordon Banks surely has to be on this. Won the world cup with England when he was playing for us.

Nalis

Nalis

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3 hours ago, trabuch said:

 

Gordon Banks surely has to be on this. Won the world cup with England when he was playing for us.

 

FFS somehow forgot about him lol .

 

Ok thats my 4 sorted now then. :D

Countryfox

Countryfox

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2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

 

FFS somehow forgot about him lol .

 

Ok thats my 4 sorted now then. :D

I'd go with that too ...     nice not to see Shilton and Lineker up there ...    

Guest Col city fan

Guest Col city fan

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4 hours ago, HighPeakFox said:

That's quite an accolade. 

I know! I thought I held that particular vestige?

Sampson

Sampson

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6 hours ago, the fox said:

Easy there, no one is calling anyone xenophobic, I pointed out that people prefer vardy because "English bias" my have something to do with it! Just I theory I have thrown there, just like you calling me biased (which I admitted I'm a bit. I am a bit biased but, I'm neither blind nor dumb)

 

You missed the part where I said that "those were people's lists and they can do/say whatever they want"

 

BTW, those 3 "great seasons" before the title winning run, he scored 4 and 5 goals in 2 of them, while he was a ghost before Claudio was sacked and many accused him of being unprofessional and other ugly thing, but this forum seems to have amnesia so, meh!

but I can give the championship winning season, he did very good.

 

I tried to have a balanced argument based on stats and accolades (with admittedly a suggestion that rubbed some the wrong way) but people seem to throw the "you don't know how it was in the dark days" talk whenever some new fan challenges their opinions, if you are not interested in building your argument on facts (just like you saying that vardy had 3 excellent season, which is not correct) than going on an argument that may lead to me getting a suspension won't do me any good!

But this is my exact point! You're thinking your opinion is correct over people who actually ****ing watched him because it doesn't fit your Mahrez narrative!

 

Yes, Vardy absolutely was fantastic and one of our absolute key players during the Championship title win and the great escape and we know that because we ****ing watched him be great and he absolutely was far better than Mahrez last season too. All you are doing is looking at the goals scored tally, but it's not about that, it's about the goals he created, the assists, the running into space and the context and importance and when he scored, he dragged us through games to win them at times. Nugent scored more goals than Vardy in the Championship winning season but I doubt you'll find a Leicester fan who won't recognise that as good as Nugent was, Vardy was the far more important and match winning striker that season as he created so much for Nugent that season through creating space and directly assisting chances and goals (hence why Nugent has never been able to recreate that season alongside other players) and Vardy got into the England squad during the great escape based on him being one of the top assisters in the PL that season and some outstanding individual performances not for his goalscoring ability. Again, you cannot take things like that from goalscoring stats alone. You cannot honestly be arrogant enough to think You're a better judge of a player in a season where you didn't even watch him play based on goalscoring stats alone.

 

I am building my argument on facts, I'm building them on watching pretty much every single game that Vardy and Mahrez has played for us and it being pretty damned self-evident that Vardy has been the more important player in getting us where we are today! That's not to say Mahrez wasn't as good in the title winning season but there's not some grand conspiracy against your countryman here, there's not some national bias going on. It's just that we've all seen Vardy perform in important games and at important times in many more games outside that season to get us where we are. If Mahrez stays a few more seasons and continues to be a very important player then he could easily be seen at the same level or a bigger legend in the future but otherwise it seems perfectly natural to me that the majority of Leicester fans see Vardy as a bigger legend than Mahrez based on what they've done for the club up until this present moment in time (it's the same as Kante who isn't seen as big a legend as either Vardy or Mahrez because he was literally only here one season and has nothing to do with Mahrez being African or Kante being European or some other such shit). I honestly Don't know why You're still arguing this and trying to claim You're opinion on the contrary is "correct" over people who have actually watched him through those times.

sdb

sdb

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22 hours ago, FIF said:

 

What does a team effort have to do with Mt.Rushmore?

 

Gordon Banks was the greatest player of his era - in the world. He ranks alongside Pele.

 

Morgan and Kasper didn't even make the team of the year we won the title.

 

I think the people quoting the title winners must all be relatively young.

Think Morgan was. I've followed Leicester 21 years. Don't know if it needs to be more before I can share my opinion, but I have and I stand by it! Cheers!

the fox

the fox

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8 hours ago, foxfanazer said:

Ok I see how you could incorporate Mahrez posts in the other threads but how do you manage to mention him in the game of thrones thread. Was he a guest appearance for being PFA POTY?

 

I take back the most tedious poster comment, you've not earned that yet lol

I say if raehgal had overlapped viserion, the night's king would've......... OK, forget about that lol

 

Countryfox

Countryfox

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13 hours ago, Sampson said:

 

It's not at all because he is English at all, it's because he's a much bigger part if the "story" of us getting where we are ...

 

The reason Vardy is a bigger legend than Mahrez in the majority of Leicester's fans eyes goes way beyond the title win ... 

 

AND,  didn't he smash his wrist up (broken bones) in a game (was it Villa ?), strap it up and play on ...    and when his star was at its zenith, turn down a big money move to a 'big' club to stay with little old Leicester ...     Top bloke. Legend.   They ought to do a film about him ...    :)

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