Wayne Rooney retires from international football

[Guest MattP]

14 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

so he did score against one which sort of makes your original post look even weirder than i thought it was. 

 

we didn't play anyone remotely good in euro 2016 so obviously we're excluding that based on what you said? 

 

you're judging a whole career on 7 games then, sorry. seems fair. especially when you consider for the first two he was 18, and got injured in the second game. and the portugal 06 and italy 2012 games, considering we were sent out in both games to draw 0-0, not sure it was ever in either managers plans to actually score a goal in those games. 

So what do we judge him on? Racking up the goals against San Marino?

 

Great International players will always be judged on what they did at major tournaments, there is a reason Pele is idolised more than Zico in Brazil, Maradona is idolised more than Messi in Argentina, Miroslav Klose even won a World Cup as the Germany all-time top scorer yet you won't find one of them putting him up there with Franz Beckenbauer or Rudi Voller.

 

End of the day aside from Euro 2004 he was crap when it mattered at every single, no other supposed major nation would fawn over a player like this.

[fuchsntf]

1 hour ago, Innovindil said:

Wildly overrated International player who could never really produce the same performances for country as he did for club. 

 

A good San Marino basher, an awful tournament player. 

England International norm ...then!!

[ScouseFox]

7 minutes ago, MattP said:

So what do we judge him on? Racking up the goals against San Marino?

 

Great International players will always be judged on what they did at major tournaments, there is a reason Pele is idolised more than Zico in Brazil, Maradona is idolised more than Messi in Argentina, Miroslav Klose even won a World Cup as the Germany all-time top scorer yet you won't find one of them putting him up there with Franz Beckenbauer or Rudi Voller.

 

End of the day aside from Euro 2004 he was crap when it mattered at every single, no other supposed major nation would fawn over a player like this.

judging him on scoring more goals for our country than anyone else to have ever existed in the history of time, myself 

[Turbogre]

Legend? Really? 
Never did it in a major tournament. 
Slated fans publicly in 2010 against Algeria.
Got himself sent off in 2006 against Portugal when his team needed him.
And slept with a granny hooker.
He's certainly something that finishes with "end" but it don't start with "leg"

[Guest]

1 hour ago, GaelicFox said:

This thread is proof ENGLAND will never win a major tournament again !!! 

 

The bile and filth directed at your leading goal scorer of all time is shocking !!!! 

 

England fans that abuse and boo him deserve to have their team a laughing stock in world football 

 

if he had of played for Ireland we would be naming streets after him now ! 

Well he wasn't that good a player.

 

What type of proof other than spelling their name is  needed to show that the Irish will never win a pool let alone a tournament?

[Countryfox]

15 minutes ago, Turbogre said:

Legend? Really? 
Never did it in a major tournament. 
Slated fans publicly in 2010 against Algeria.
Got himself sent off in 2006 against Portugal when his team needed him.
And slept with a granny hooker.
He's certainly something that finishes with "end" but it don't start with "leg"

And has a head like a potato ..

 

Edited 23 August 2017 by Countryfox

[fuchsntf]

5 minutes ago, MattP said:

So what do we judge him on? Racking up the goals against San Marino?

 

Great International players will always be judged on what they did at major tournaments, there is a reason Pele is idolised more than Zico in Brazil, Maradona is idolised more than Messi in Argentina, Miroslav Klose even won a World Cup as the Germany all-time top scorer yet you won't find one of them putting him up there with Franz Beckenbauer or Rudi Voller.

 

End of the day aside from Euro 2004 he was crap when it mattered at every single, no other supposed major nation would fawn over a player like this.

I just dont think he ever got over his 1st two big injuries, his tournaments and England suffered, he was a star, where  people

Feared leaving him out for half or full season for England.

Top class player, that hovered on world Class his 1st 6-8 yrs.

We had nobody, who could play and support him for England.

On the field best English player of his time. He could well go down now as a true Everton Legend.

Through his entire career had more great games, than poor...thats all one can expect.

He played when England as a whole were frustrating...

Didnt produce long enough in Int.tournaments, so question on WClass stamp.

Great  club player....that alone many of us w ould be satisfied with.

Funny coincidence...Messi struggled in tounaments too, at club level he had WC teammates Through n through.

Rooney played with some donkies at times, even in whiteshirts..

[Fox92]

27 minutes ago, MattP said:

So what do we judge him on? Racking up the goals against San Marino?

 

Great International players will always be judged on what they did at major tournaments, there is a reason Pele is idolised more than Zico in Brazil, Maradona is idolised more than Messi in Argentina, Miroslav Klose even won a World Cup as the Germany all-time top scorer yet you won't find one of them putting him up there with Franz Beckenbauer or Rudi Voller.

 

End of the day aside from Euro 2004 he was crap when it mattered at every single, no other supposed major nation would fawn over a player like this.

I do agree with this though. Spot on really.

[Arriba Los Zorros]

32 minutes ago, ScouseFox said:

judging him on scoring more goals for our country than anyone else to have ever existed in the history of time, myself 

I doubt if he was born in London you'd be defending him like this.

 

He was a quick developer and streets ahead of others his age so a lot was expected but in fact he never had the talent to push on and become world class, or a legend.

 

In terms of recent stand-out England players he's better than Ashley Cole, on a par with Lampard and Ferdinand, and miles behind Terry or Gerrard.

[Webbo]

A top player who deserves more respect.

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

2 hours ago, Fox92 said:

haha I was going to say that but Eriksen did do alright and I always remember getting up early to watch Owen score in a quarter final against Brazil so I wasn't unfair on that lot  

 

You got up early? It was about 9 AM on a schoolday aha

[Fox92]

2 minutes ago, Miquel The Work Geordie said:

 

You got up early? It was about 9 AM on a schoolday aha

Was it? I thought it was like 6

[Miquel The Work Geordie]

2 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Was it? I thought it was like 6

 

You're probably right man I just remember going school and yapping about it 

[The Horse's Mouth]

nah was defo 9ish cause I remember we got to watch it at school 

[Arriba Los Zorros]

14 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

nah was defo 9ish cause I remember we got to watch it at school 

Yeah it was first lesson of the day, they put it on a TV in school gym for everyone to watch

[Turbogre]

12 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said:

nah was defo 9ish cause I remember we got to watch it at school 

Kick off was at 07:30am 

[CosbehFox]

20 minutes ago, Turbogre said:

Kick off was at 07:30am 

Correct - I remember my brother walking to school at half time. 

[Kitchandro]

Well good news. It's the only way any England manager is going to stop picking him.

 

As with a lot of England players he's been living off his name for quite a few years now.

[Kitchandro]

1 hour ago, ScouseFox said:

judging him on scoring more goals for our country than anyone else to have ever existed in the history of time, myself 

There are far more international games these days though, and mostly against shit teams. Look at our qualifiers FFS. We're playing 8 - 10 games and maybe only 2 of them is against an average international side. And he was picked game after game after game against these minnows regardless of how poor he was playing.

 

Against decent teams he very rarely turned up and the proof is in the pudding because in major tournaments his goal return was very poor.

Meanwhile, other players weren't given a chance because of who they played for. And the England set up has been like this for the last 15 years.

[Stadt]

He was world class for a spell in his club career but was never as god for England unfortunately. Tbf he was probably at his best along side Ronaldo and Tevez and England didn't have anybody near their calibre upfront.

 

 

Neymar has scored more international goals playing for a relatively poor Brazil side, for comparison.

Edited 23 August 2017 by Wookie

[SouthStandUpperTier]

According to the FA these are Rooney's 5 best England goals,

1) Against the might of Andorra. .
2) Good strike, but gets an obliging return pass from the Danish defender after his own misplaced pass.
3) Good strike, but against Iceland when they were crap.
4) Good strike, give him that one.
5) Lucky deflection off the Brazilian defender's back.

None of these goals are from major tournaments (maybe the FA didn't have the rights?) and I had completely forgotten all of them until watching the video a few minutes ago.

I'm not trying to be a troll. I think Rooney is a great talent. It's just that despite being record goalscorer his England career was underwhelming and both he and England underachieved.

[Guest BlueBrett]

Awh man not the white Pele 

[Webbo]

33 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

There are far more international games these days though, and mostly against shit teams. Look at our qualifiers FFS. We're playing 8 - 10 games and maybe only 2 of them is against an average international side. And he was picked game after game after game against these minnows regardless of how poor he was playing.

 

Against decent teams he very rarely turned up and the proof is in the pudding because in major tournaments his goal return was very poor.

Meanwhile, other players weren't given a chance because of who they played for. And the England set up has been like this for the last 15 years.

He equalled Bobby Charlton's record in roughly the same number of games and Charlton also played against poor opposition, remember a lot of international teams were still part time back then.

 

Why do people feel the need to rubbish someone who's never done them any harm? If he hadn't played for England for all those years who would have come in and done better?

[Turbogre]

8 minutes ago, Webbo said:

 

 

 If he hadn't played for England for all those years who would have come in and done better?

Francis Jeffers 

[Guest MattP]

31 minutes ago, SouthStandUpperTier said:

According to the FA these are Rooney's 5 best England goals,
 

 

1) Against the might of Andorra. .
2) Good strike, but gets an obliging return pass from the Danish defender after his own misplaced pass.
3) Good strike, but against Iceland when they were crap.
4) Good strike, give him that one.
5) Lucky deflection off the Brazilian defender's back.

None of these goals are from major tournaments (maybe the FA didn't have the rights?) and I had completely forgotten all of them until watching the video a few minutes ago.

I'm not trying to be a troll. I think Rooney is a great talent. It's just that despite being record goalscorer his England career was underwhelming and both he and England underachieved.

 

Maradona literally scored three better than all of those in the knockout stages of one tournament in 1986.

 

His single goal in a World Cup was a tap in.

 

Just looking through the list now, Jimmy Greaves would probably have scored 100 had he played today and the same amount of times as Rooney.