Wayne Rooney retires from international football

[ScouseFox]

4 minutes ago, Webbo said:

He equalled Bobby Charlton's record in roughly the same number of games and Charlton also played against poor opposition, remember a lot of international teams were still part time back then.

 

Why do people feel the need to rubbish someone who's never done them any harm? If he hadn't played for England for all those years who would have come in and done better?

some people just have a real issue with people these days being better than THE GOOD OLD DAYS. it's the same with people claiming some cloggers who played for leicester in division 2 in the 1950s were "on a par with mahrez" etc. it's very odd behaviour but each to their own. 

 

as with the thread on here when rooney BROKE THE ALL TIME ENGLAND SCORING RECORD, if you look at charlton's "proper" record (cos you know rooney's doesn't count cos they were all scored against san marino, whereas charlton scored 49 goals in the world cup final against germany) you actually find, like you say, his international goals were all just as bullshit as rooney's.

 

goals in major tournaments: rooney - 7, charlton - 5

goals in friendlies: rooney - 16, charlton - 22

 

20 of charlton's goals came against wales, scotland and ireland ffs, and if you look through he scored a lot of his goals (including 4 different hat tricks) in games that saw scorelines such as 10-0, 8-1, 9-0, 8-1 etc. everything that gets levelled at rooney can be thrown at anyone at the top of the scoring charts for england. 

 

seems like it's wrong to just take a step back and appreciate and applaud anything these days. always gotta be someone who did it better or someone who isn't worthy. 

[Countryfox]

10 minutes ago, Webbo said:

He equalled Bobby Charlton's record in roughly the same number of games and Charlton also played against poor opposition, remember a lot of international teams were still part time back then.

 

Why do people feel the need to rubbish someone who's never done them any harm? If he hadn't played for England for all those years who would have come in and done better?

 

But Bobby didn't see the need to have his hair sewn down did he ! ...   eh !! ...

[yorkie1999]

We're going to miss him. One goal in three world cups must be some kind of record for a striker.

[Dan]

3 hours ago, GaelicFox said:

This thread is proof ENGLAND will never win a major tournament again !!! 

 

The bile and filth directed at your leading goal scorer of all time is shocking !!!! 

 

England fans that abuse and boo him deserve to have their team a laughing stock in world football 

 

if he had of played for Ireland we would be naming streets after him now ! 

And what have Ireland won?

 

Who here has abused or booed him?

 

I'm quite torn on this. On one hand I think he's had a very good career for England with an impressive goals tally, but on the other he's been a bit of a flat-track bully if we're truly honest about it.

 

He's definitely been good, but I just can't confidently call him an England legend with his tournament record.

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, Dan LCFC said:

And what have Ireland won?

 

Who here has abused or booed him?

 

I'm quite torn on this. On one hand I think he's had a very good career for England with an impressive goals tally, but on the other he's been a bit of a flat-track bully if we're truly honest about it.

 

He's definitely been good, but I just can't confidently call him an England legend with his tournament record.

 

And as England captain he has been a cr@p role model for younger players ...   always fookin moaning, overly aggressive and always always arguing with the ref and trying to intimidate him.     Bobby Charlton isn't Sir Bobby Charlton for nothing.  

[Mrfox452]

3 hours ago, MattP said:

The best player the last generation produced, which is pretty tragic really although for about 18 months he was up there just behind Messi, often woefully underperformed for England.

 

He never scored a goal against a top class international team in a competitive match. Wouldn't have him anywhere near a top ten in terms of England greats.

Don't know if I read that correctly but you say Rooney was behind just Messi for about 18 months.

 

Out of interest when exactly would you say that was?

[GaelicFox]

29 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

And what have Ireland won?

 

Who here has abused or booed him?

 

I'm quite torn on this. On one hand I think he's had a very good career for England with an impressive goals tally, but on the other he's been a bit of a flat-track bully if we're truly honest about it.

 

He's definitely been good, but I just can't confidently call him an England legend with his tournament record.

The whole LCFC away section last season or maybe season before singing 

 

"you let your country down" 

 

what a joke 

 

 

for a country with the population of less than the East Midlands we do ok ... imagine how shit an East Midlands international team would be ! 

 

englands success at international level is pathetic with the riches at England's disposal its a national disgrace , and I believe that the reason behind a lot of that failure is actually the atitiude of "sun reading englanders" 

 

English players are frightened they are frozen by fear , fear of the slaughtering they get if they make an error 

 

the failure will go on and on and on ....

[CosbehFox]

36 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

for a country with the population of less than the East Midlands we do ok ... imagine how shit an East Midlands international team would be ! 

Just a shame most native Irishman absolutely refuse to support their local league and instead worship Man United/Liverpool

[Guest Bilo]

To be honest, I think there's too much hyperbole in both directions about Wayne Rooney.

 

Certainly those who feel he's absolutely useless would do well to explain how a striker becomes one of the first name on the teamsheet at 18 and stays there for 13 years for a country consistently in the top 10 of the FIFA rankings. For all his faults, he was always difficult to play against and could be relied upon to score goals when there were few other genuine goalscorers in the team and one thing you could never really accuse him of being is lazy. A scoring rate of almost 1 in 2 is very respectable, and it's difficult to argue with four England player of the year awards and being the most capped outfield player in England history.

I think that the disappointed mindset comes from the fact that he has, paradoxically given the fact he's scored more than any England player, somewhat underachieved considering the enormous promise he showed at Euro 2004. For me, he was the best player at the entire tournament back then. Considering he was up against a young Cristiano Ronaldo, Ruud van Nistelrooy, Zinedine Zidane, Luis Figo and Thierry Henry, this was no mean feat. He looked for all the world as though he was going to be for England what Ronaldo and Messi became for Portugal and Argentina, a genuine legend of the game who'd be mentioned in hushed tones for years to come.

The reality is that, after a very poor 2006 World Cup in which he was only half fit, he never even came close to those heights. Reliable, solid, consistent and hard working he was, world class and legendary as Ronaldo and Messi became he certainly wasn't. This is why I can't have the 'best ever England player or striker' analysis either. Sure, he scored more goals than players like Charlton, Lineker, Shearer et al, but the weakest sides they generally got to play against were Turkey, Malta once in a blue moon or Cyprus in eras where the gulf between the top nations and the smaller ones were much more narrow. No tap-ins to make it 8-0 against teachers from San Marino or the fifth of six against a ski instructor playing for Andorra for them, and they played fewer games. Crucially, Lineker won Golden Boots at tournaments and Charlton won a World Cup, scoring twice in a World Cup semi final.

To sum up then, certainly one of the best England goalscorers and players but some way from being the greatest. He could, and perhaps should, have been so much more.

[Dan]

58 minutes ago, GaelicFox said:

The whole LCFC away section last season or maybe season before singing 

 

"you let your country down" 

 

what a joke 

 

 

for a country with the population of less than the East Midlands we do ok ... imagine how shit an East Midlands international team would be ! 

 

englands success at international level is pathetic with the riches at England's disposal its a national disgrace , and I believe that the reason behind a lot of that failure is actually the atitiude of "sun reading englanders" 

 

English players are frightened they are frozen by fear , fear of the slaughtering they get if they make an error 

 

the failure will go on and on and on ....

I'm not disputing that Ireland do OK for their size, I think you're alright, but you cannot compare perspectives from Ireland and England, they're always going to differ. England will naturally have higher expectations.

 

There are plenty of reasons England fail and I agree to a degree with the point about headline reading fans. I think the entire mindset is wrong and despite our lowest ever point (June 2016) I've seen very little change in that department, so I can confidently say that England will win nothing for another 20 years yet.

 

The England team and its fans are in a bit of a vicious cycle I think. People lose interest, players lose interest, take in turns.

[Leicesterpool]

His record in major tournaments were terrible along with his performances, good in qualifiers but never really shown it when it really matters. To sum up Rooney's England career it would be "False Hope" Great when he first game on the scene shown lots of potential but like many come to a certain age where there England career comes to nothing. 

 

On a positive note yeah got over 50 goals for his country, but with the amount of caps he had, could he have done better? Did he allow himself to put club before country too much? 

Edited 23 August 2017 by Leicesterpool

[GaelicFox]

51 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Just a shame most native Irishman absolutely refuse to support their local league and instead worship Man United/Liverpool

 

 are you kidding me , Have you been in the bars of Leicester when Liverpool or manure are playing ??? You can't get a seat !!!! 

 

At least the irish have en excuse the local stuff is tripe but the amount of LE postcode Liverpool fans even on this forum is a disgrace !!! 

 

Most of us know at least one glory hunter who came back to follow the city once the good times rolled 

[GaelicFox]

29 minutes ago, Dan LCFC said:

I'm not disputing that Ireland do OK for their size, I think you're alright, but you cannot compare perspectives from Ireland and England, they're always going to differ. England will naturally have higher expectations.

 

There are plenty of reasons England fail and I agree to a degree with the point about headline reading fans. I think the entire mindset is wrong and despite our lowest ever point (June 2016) I've seen very little change in that department, so I can confidently say that England will win nothing for another 20 years yet.

 

The England team and its fans are in a bit of a vicious cycle I think. People lose interest, players lose interest, take in turns.

That's a fair post 

 

and I genuinely find you one of the best posters in this place and that reply proves it ! 

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, GaelicFox said:

 

 are you kidding me , Have you been in the bars of Leicester when Liverpool or manure are playing ??? You can't get a seat !!!! 

 

At least the irish have en excuse the local stuff is tripe but the amount of LE postcode Liverpool fans even on this forum is a disgrace !!! 

 

Most of us know at least one glory hunter who came back to follow the city once the good times rolled 

It wasn't meant as a wind up. 

 

I find it really sad that locals don't support the League of Ireland. Populations are comparable with Scotland as a country and their leagues are supported much better 

[Jon the Hat]

Rooney has blatantly been given a nice out by the FA here.  My arse Southgate wanted him in the squad.

Decent player when failed to deliver under pressure, and would have been dropped years ago if not playing for United.

[Parafox]

6 hours ago, Fox92 said:

Nobody at all has done anything meaningful in an England shirt for about 11 years. 

 

6 hours ago, KingGTF said:

Ultimately he never produced when it mattered, but then none of them have for a long time. Fair play for what he's achieved but I'm glad England will no longer be a circus around Rooney which it has been for many years now.

 

6 hours ago, Innovindil said:

Wildly overrated International player who could never really produce the same performances for country as he did for club. 

 

A good San Marino basher, an awful tournament player. 

Isn't he currently England's all time greatest goal scorer? Also England captain? Bobby Moore never got the stick Rooney does and he never attained Rooney's achievements as captain, despite the World Cup which, strictly speaking, wasn't actually down to him.

[GaelicFox]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

It wasn't meant as a wind up. 

 

I find it really sad that locals don't support the League of Ireland. Populations are comparable with Scotland as a country and their leagues are supported much better 

League of ireland is very well supported given the tripe level it is 

 

football will never rival rival the GAA in ireland for attendances 

 

 

 

 

[Blue ROI]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

It wasn't meant as a wind up. 

 

I find it really sad that locals don't support the League of Ireland. Populations are comparable with Scotland as a country and their leagues are supported much better 

The League of Ireland is confined to urban areas.

 

It does not have the cultural significance of the GAA which is in every town and village throughout the country.

 

Attendances as measured against population would put the GAA as one of the best attended in the world.

[Jaspa]

Deserves some credit for finally hanging his boots up himself. Why we've tried to keep him on post 2012 baffles me, I think it shows just how bad the England team is in need of whats perceived to be a leader and how desperate we are for talented players to come through or for us to at least give chances to ones under the radar, for example Vardy who is an antithesis of Rooney.

 

I've gone from hope to hate with Rooney repeatedly which finally died around 2010. He's summed it all up for the last decade in his performances - An Annihilator of Andorra, The Mutilator of Montenegro and a Savage against San Marino in all those Qualiies, he was a puppy against Italy, Portugal, Croatia, USA, Germany, Uruguay and Iceland when it mattered and we needed him. For all the hope and belief his promise deserved in his youth, his achievements on an international level amount to personal record and zero for the team. Can he be blamed entirely for England being sh**? No, of course not; but he didnt achieve a bare minimum when it mattered and found it nice to hear his home fans booin'

 

His record should stand as a target to any willing and able striker coming through to obliterate it and put these last 10 years behind us.

[Innovindil]

1 hour ago, Parafox said:

 

 

Isn't he currently England's all time greatest goal scorer? Also England captain? Bobby Moore never got the stick Rooney does and he never attained Rooney's achievements as captain, despite the World Cup which, strictly speaking, wasn't actually down to him.

I wasn't around when Bobby was, so I'd have struggled giving him stick tbf. 

 

I'm just not going to celebrate a player because he smashed little teams but never showed up when it really mattered. He's England's highest goalscorer, not greatest. 

[The Doctor]

7 hours ago, ScouseFox said:

he's our record goalscorer and the most capped outfield player of all time, how can he not be a legend?! 

Think he should have gone a year or two ago, but realistically this. If you're defining legend then surely "will still be talked about after a generation" comes in there, and Rooney will with how many records he's set: don't see anyone breaking the goal-scoring record out there at the moment. Didn't fulfil his promise from Euro 2004, but tbf since then England have won fewer knockout games in major tournaments than Wales (Ecuador in 2006 vs Belgium and Norn Iron 2016), can't pin that on one player alone underperforming.

[Trav Le Bleu]

8 hours ago, TiffToff88 said:

Apart from becoming our all time top goalscorer?

 

Yes his form has suffered the last few years. But the man IS a legend and will go down in history. He deserves a lot more respect than people give him.

When it comes to goals per game, his record is distinctly average. He's only the leading goalscorer cos he's played more games than other strikers. We also play a hell of a lot more games against footballing minnows than we did in the past. Plus he's never shone in a tournament, never produced it when it matters.

 

One of the most overrated players in history. Potential never fulfilled.

[AKCJ]

5 hours ago, MattP said:

Maradona literally scored three better than all of those in the knockout stages of one tournament in 1986.

 

His single goal in a World Cup was a tap in.

 

Just looking through the list now, Jimmy Greaves would probably have scored 100 had he played today and the same amount of times as Rooney.

Ah right yeah. Not as good as Maradona so he must be shit.

[Tuna]

I find it very disturbing Southgate was thinking of calling him up.

What's wrong with the man? I'd sack him tomorrow.

[TheSomersetFox]

Captaincy at both club at international level did him absolutely no favours for me. Gave him too much responsibility away from the pitch, and though he dealt with it reasonably well I think the effect it had on his performances is pretty telling. Bloke should have just been allowed to play and enjoy his football.

 

Huge amount of respect for Rooney and what he did in an England shirt, not much love though. Let down by shit gaffers, management setups etc for a while mind.

 

Hope he does well at Everton.