Milo Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 1 minute ago, GaelicFox said: Sorry Craig your just not good enough your so like Pearson it's scary sooner your gone the better just not a premier league manager That doesn't rhyme...did you mean it to, cos it looks like it should...but it doesn't
GaelicFox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 Just now, Milo said: That doesn't rhyme...did you mean it to, cos it looks like it should...but it doesn't nope mate is a simple statement Shakespeare is BANG average and NOT good enough to be a premier league manager think that's 11 points in 11 or 12 games we need a proper manager not a coach playing at being a manager he sounds like John Carver at present
whoareyaaa Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 28 minutes ago, funkyrobot said: Let's be fair, Chelsea have effectively stripped our first choice champion winning midfield. Kante was instrumental in that game (never mind his lucky goal) and our most experienced other centre mid was sat on the bench. Their fcukin bench ? Probably spend most his time at Chelsea on the bench, screams of bad move to me but time will tell.
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 55 minutes ago, KingGTF said: Think he's clutching a bit saying big moments aren't going out way. The big sides are just better than us. Man Utd, Arsenal and Chelsea are better than use. ABSOLUTE DISGRACE!!!!1#1#1##1!!1!
sylofox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 21 minutes ago, Izzy Muzzett said: I always get this mixed up. Does that mean won 3, lost 1, drawn none. Or won 3, drawn 1, lost none? I know Americans always shows stats like this but I'm easily confused Agreed they cant even get the date right. Dont even get me going on the fact they call it soccer.
coolhandfox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 For me, it more of a lack of quality has prevented us from making the big moments go our way.
Guest Col city fan Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 I don't want to hear this too often from the manager. It smacks of excuses. If we are playing well, making chances and looking a fluid, dangerous side, we'll score goals and win games. Luck will be on our side.
ealingfox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: I don't want to hear this too often from the manager. It smacks of excuses. If we are playing well, making chances and looking a fluid, dangerous side, we'll score goals and win games. Luck will be on our side. For what it's worth, I agree. When you're saying this after the games against the teams around you, you know you're in trouble, even if it's true.
Gary Eatfood Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 28 minutes ago, Kitchandro said: They made a mistake and Vardy nipped in near the byline and defender brought him down. It wasn't a chance. It was a penalty we won out of nothing and if he hadn't fouled Vardy we'd not have been in a position to score. Did you even watch the game? We created one great chance and missed it. We didn't create many chances. We created pretty much nothing in the second half. What don't you understand? Just stop arguing, you've not got a leg to stand on. You've tried to argue something with nothing to back it up, and worse, you've tried to look clever with sarcasm. It hasn't worked out. Stop. It's embarrassing. We didn't create much second half but you could argue we created more than Chelsea first half yet they went in one nil up. Honestly it was a pretty scrappy game with not a lot of fluid football played. I think once Iheanacho gets up to speed we'll create and score more.
Mark Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 He brought out the old Rob Kelly caretaker favourites post match "They're an honest group of lads" "We'll dust ourselves down".
vanity Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 56 minutes ago, The Horse's Mouth said: we've been beaten by three sides who should've beaten us, Liverpool was always the favourable tie out of the big boys we drew early on. Some maybe questionable things tactically, but anyone getting on his case at this stage is a ****ing **** tbh. Not getting the full 3 next week could put a bit of pressure on us, but I'm confident we'll be middish table come christmas Arsenal shouldn't have. We shat the bed there, outplayed them for the vast majority of the game until Shakey went one striker, completely changed the team's mentality, stopped attacking, allowed Arsenal to seize control.
vanity Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 1 hour ago, GaelicFox said: Sorry Craig your just not good enough your so like Pearson it's scary sooner your gone the better just not a premier league manager Tough for me to see this perspective. Shakey is working to overhaul the team, get players comfortable on the ball, and replace our aging defenders. If anything, last season Shakey looked like an exceptional in-game manager, consistently making the right adjustments. For me, the problem is his reliance on the conservative approach against superior sides, he waits until we're down to let the dogs loose, and we tend to look much better 2H against teams when we go down because we go to a more aggressive look, often a 4-3-3, which was what we basically played at times today in the 2H. So on the one hand, I'm irked with how Shakey is starting games. We aren't getting nil-nil, or 1-1 draws against top sides this season if we're defending 75% of the game, as we looked to be doing first half. But on the other hand, Shakey has absolutely shown himself to be an above average Prem League manager. I think the big issue is the personnel not being available -- Iheanacho, Iborra, now Silva... and yes, I think we've had some misfortune as well including today with that point blank save on Slim's shot. All that said, today was nowhere near as disgusting as last week. We weren't absolutely dominated. But we need to start fielding our better attacking units. We need a critical mass of offensive players who can stress the defense. Vardy, Iheancho, Gray, Mahrez, and hopefully Silva sometime the next couple weeks, all on the field together, and if not Silva then Iborra. But I think Shakey can get us there. Who would you want in if he were out?
chicagofox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 To say it's down to bad luck or fine margins is an excuse. Take some damn responsibility. You pcked the formation. You picked the starting 11. You are the guy who brought on a striker for a midfielder when we were winning at Arsenal, and then a midfielder for a striker when we are losing today and at Old Trafford. If those moments didn't go our way it is your fault. You continue to pick a 2 man midfield when it is constantly getting overrun. You (allegedly) identified a new signing on deadline day and then didn't even involve him in the match day squad. It's got sod all to do with big moments not going our way.
chicagofox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 2 hours ago, ScouseFox said: the ozil hand ball completely changed and cost us the arsenal game. then there's the 30 seconds or so where we miss a sitter and they go and score a decent goal. two decent examples of how we could've had a 4-6 more points from an incredibly tough start to the season if "big moments" had gone more in our favour. still dont think its much of an issue, yet. we are meant to lose these games, and we've been in and played alright in all 3 so far, whilst looking very good in the only game against a lower side. guess it just depends what the actually aim/expectation of the season is. we'd need to take some points from these games if we're actually trying to get into europe, however we can be comfortably mid table without having to pick up more points than we lose against the "top 6". The Ozil handball is not why Arsenal scored. Out inability to defend a corner is why they scored. That is our fault.
ScouseFox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 9 minutes ago, chicagofox said: The Ozil handball is not why Arsenal scored. Out inability to defend a corner is why they scored. That is our fault. well we wouldn't have conceded from a corner if we'd had a free kick, would we? that's a pretty big moment going against us, isn't it? yeah it is. thought so.
chicagofox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 18 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: well we wouldn't have conceded from a corner if we'd had a free kick, would we? that's a pretty big moment going against us, isn't it? yeah it is. thought so. You can take any goal back as far as you want to prove a point. But, if we had defended a corner correctly they wouldn't have scored. Would they? No.
ScouseFox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 1 minute ago, chicagofox said: You can take any goal back as far as you want to prove a point. But, if we had defended a corner correctly they wouldn't have scored. Would they? No. i don't understand the point you're trying to make? he said some big moments have gone against us. i pointed out one of those big moments that went against us. what are you on about?
chicagofox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 Just now, ScouseFox said: i don't understand the point you're trying to make? he said some big moments have gone against us. i pointed out one of those big moments that went against us. what are you on about? Every team has moments go against them. Every team has good luck and bad luck. It's an excuse to blame them for a defeat. What big moment went against us today? Whatever you come up with will be less responsible for the defeat than the ridiculous team selection and formation.
ScouseFox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 1 minute ago, chicagofox said: Every team has moments go against them. Every team has good luck and bad luck. It's an excuse to blame them for a defeat. What big moment went against us today? Whatever you come up with will be less responsible for the defeat than the ridiculous team selection and formation. we held our own quite comfortably for about 40 minutes and then the big moment came and went against us. we should've been 1-0 up and somehow ended up 1-0 down at half time. there is no chance you'd have been calling it a ridiculous selection or formation if we were 1-0 up at half time and slimani had got the goal. didn't happen of course, cos the big moment didn't go our way.
Aus Fox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 42 minutes ago, chicagofox said: To say it's down to bad luck or fine margins is an excuse. Take some damn responsibility. You pcked the formation. You picked the starting 11. You are the guy who brought on a striker for a midfielder when we were winning at Arsenal, and then a midfielder for a striker when we are losing today and at Old Trafford. If those moments didn't go our way it is your fault. You continue to pick a 2 man midfield when it is constantly getting overrun. You (allegedly) identified a new signing on deadline day and then didn't even involve him in the match day squad. It's got sod all to do with big moments not going our way. Take some responsibility for losing against a better side? Fook me some of our supporters are morons! We've played three of the richest sides in the world with some of the best players and coaching staff. The results last year in the same fixtures: Arsenal 1-0 United 4-1 Chelsea 3-0 however you look at it, we are doing much better than last year and are at least competitive at times in games and creating chances, more than can be said for the corresponding fixtures last year. Today I would see for all their possession, they created one clear cut chance, so did we. They took theirs we didn't, the top 6 will always take their chances. That's what makes them so good. We are 8th at best in this league, judge us when we have played a few more of the teams we expect to finish around or below us.
chicagofox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 5 minutes ago, ScouseFox said: we held our own quite comfortably for about 40 minutes and then the big moment came and went against us. we should've been 1-0 up and somehow ended up 1-0 down at half time. there is no chance you'd have been calling it a ridiculous selection or formation if we were 1-0 up at half time and slimani had got the goal. didn't happen of course, cos the big moment didn't go our way. Actually I thought playing 4-4-2 again was ridiculous from the moment I saw the lineup and had we scored first I still would have thought so.
AjcW Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 The post match was very contradictory. Saying “we HAD to change the shape” after you’ve said we should have been ahead just before they scored makes zero sense. If we HAD to change the shape you’d think we were 2-0 down or at the very least getting torn to shreds and we were neither!
Callabinho Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 Poor craftsmen look for excuses to paper over the cracks, and hide their shortcomings.... I'm afraid a series of bad decisions have ultimately put us in this place, and that dates back to last season. You just have to hope it's not one mistake too many.
walkerleeds Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 Absolutely nothing to do with ineptitude on Shakey's part you bunch of lunatics. We've played Arsenal, Man Utd (away) and Chelsea. Get in the real world.
chicagofox Posted 9 September 2017 Posted 9 September 2017 26 minutes ago, Aus Fox said: Take some responsibility for losing against a better side? Fook me some of our supporters are morons! We've played three of the richest sides in the world with some of the best players and coaching staff. The results last year in the same fixtures: Arsenal 1-0 United 4-1 Chelsea 3-0 however you look at it, we are doing much better than last year and are at least competitive at times in games and creating chances, more than can be said for the corresponding fixtures last year. Today I would see for all their possession, they created one clear cut chance, so did we. They took theirs we didn't, the top 6 will always take their chances. That's what makes them so good. We are 8th at best in this league, judge us when we have played a few more of the teams we expect to finish around or below us. We lost to Utd, Chelsea, and Arsenal last season and we have lost to them this season. I would suggest fhat is not a better record. Shakespeare needs to take responsibility for his team selections, formations, and substitutions. All of which are questionable at best.
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