Shooting in Las Vegas

[Bellend Sebastian]

Truly we live in an age where the appetite to make shit things even worse seems to be insatiable:

 

https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2017/oct/04/las-vegas-shooting-youtube-hoax-conspiracy-theories

[The Doctor]

14 hours ago, sk3since03 said:

Just as the American Government push to take guns off it’s citizens this happens! 

 

Give’s them a strong argument for the case against doesn't it. What a coincidence!

 

One way to conquer the people is to disarm them! 

 

False flag written all ovet it! We live in troubling times 

You've got to be a colossal bellend to to start calling massacres like this a government conspiracy. Shame on you.

[Guest MattP]

14 hours ago, joachim1965 said:

That concert arena should have been a bloodbath with that kind of carnage but I haven't seen any evidence of that in any footage I have seen. Strange indeed.

Maybe listen to the hundreds of witnesses who were actually there talking about being covered in blood and the floor being red in parts?

 

Or are they all government workers as well?

[sk3since03]

9 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

You've got to be a colossal bellend to to start calling massacres like this a government conspiracy. Shame on you.

You’ve got to be a colossal bellend to not consider these sort of things a possibility 

[The Doctor]

8 minutes ago, sk3since03 said:

You’ve got to be a colossal bellend to not consider these sort of things a possibility 

No, because I'm not accusing victims of being paid actors or shills, I'm not dismissing the victims families loss as set up because "hurr durr take my guns from my cold dead hands". Conspiracy theorists are arseholes 99% of the time with absolutely no respect or sympathy for those who've lost family members and friends. 

 

Let's not forget the "false flag" attack at Sandy hook a couple of years ago, where you might notice that the gun laws remain completely un-****ing-changed. If shooting up a load of defenceless children didn't get guncontrol on the agenda, this won't.

 

Edit: speaking of Sandy hook - You should read this interview with a parent who lost his kid that day and the shit he's taken from people like you:  http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2232-my-son-died-at-sandy-hook-conspiracy-nuts-think-im-lying.html

[sk3since03]

10 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

No, because I'm not accusing victims of being paid actors or shills, I'm not dismissing the victims families loss as set up because "hurr durr take my guns from my cold dead hands". Conspiracy theorists are arseholes 99% of the time with absolutely no respect or sympathy for those who've lost family members and friends. 

 

Let's not forget the "false flag" attack at Sandy hook a couple of years ago, where you might notice that the gun laws remain completely un-****ing-changed. If shooting up a load of defenceless children didn't get guncontrol on the agenda, this won't.

 

Edit: speaking of Sandy hook - You should read this interview with a parent who lost his kid that day and the shit he's taken from people like you:  http://www.cracked.com/personal-experiences-2232-my-son-died-at-sandy-hook-conspiracy-nuts-think-im-lying.html

 You have your opinions i have mine

  

[The Doctor]

1 minute ago, sk3since03 said:

 You have your opinions i have mine

  

It's not a question of opinions,  it's a question of basic human decency.

[SpacedX]

15 hours ago, sk3since03 said:

Just as the American Government push to take guns off it’s citizens this happens! 

 

 

Really? You appear unaware that the NRA spent more than $30 million in support of his candidacy. 

 

15 hours ago, sk3since03 said:

Just as the American Government push to take guns off it’s citizens this happens! 

 

November 2015: Trump argued that gun background checks “accomplished very little” and declared himself “a very big Second Amendment person,” in his book Crimped America.

 

December 2015: Trump said at a campaign rally in Iowa that more guns could stop mass shootings. If more people were able to carry firearms, they could have stopped the shootings in Paris and California from earlier that year. “Take Paris," he said, referring to the November 2015 attacks that represented thedeadliest violence Paris had seen since World War II. "If a few people had guns on their belt, on their shin, in their jacket, instead of being slaughtered — you might have lost some, you definitely would have lost the bad guys — but it wouldn’t have been hundreds of people with many more expected to die, that are in the hospital dying now. Then you go to the tragedy that we just had in California."

 

March 2016: Trump said the gun issue is a matter of states' rights. 

"It is a state issue and we can certainly help," Trump told a news channel in Grand Rapids, Mich."But it's a big issue, you know it's getting, I don't know it seems to be, I remember 30 years ago I just do not remember these things happening.”

 

June 2016: Trump meets with NRA officials to discuss a proposal for a gun ban for those on the no-fly list and terrorist watch list. 

Also,Trump argues at a campaign rally in Texas that the mass shooting in Orlando, Fla., could have been less deadly if the people in the PULSE night club were able to shoot back. 

 

"If some of those wonderful people had guns strapped right here, right to their waist or right to their ankle, and this son of a bitch comes out and starts shooting, and one of the people in that room happened to have it and goes boom, boom, you know what? That would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight, folks, that would have been a beautiful, beautiful sight," 

 

October 2016: Trump declared during a U.S. Supreme Court debate held during the campaign that the Second Amendment is "under absolute siege" and said if his political opponent Hillary Clinton was elected, it "will be a very, very small replica of what it is now."

At a Las Vegas debate against then-Democratic nominee Clinton, Trump said he is a very strong supporter of people's right to bear arms.

He noted he was proud to have the National Rifle Association's endorsement in the race. 

 

February 2017: Trump signs a bill allowing mentally ill individuals to purchase guns – reversing an executive order former President Obama signed to block such sales following the San Bernardino shootings in 2015. 

 

April 2017: Trump delivers keynote speech at the NRA convention, the first president to do so since Ronald Reagan. 

 

15 hours ago, sk3since03 said:

False flag written all ovet it! We live in troubling times 

Yup - and era of post truth fuelled by baseless social media memes, gross scientific illiteracy, Alex Jones and a populist America that would sooner put faith in Jenny McCarthy's twitter feed in preference a century of evidence based clinical peer reviewed studies. 

 

I am very much anti censorship and an advocate of democratic rights, but reading posts like yours hasten my conclusion that internet access should means tested.

[Jimothy]

1 hour ago, MattP said:

I miss the days when conspiracy theorists just shouted in parks so you could just the other way, internet has a lot to answer for.

One of the worst things about the internet is that it's given a voice to people that no one would listen to, and for good reasons most of the time.

[Koke]

Some conspiracy theories are not all that crazy tbh. I'm not saying this one is a government conspiracy, but several governments worldwide have created false flags in the past. This is a fact.

[Guest MarshallForEngland]

Love seeing these mental case conspiracy nuts saying that they've seen no evidence of a bloodbath or the ensuing carnage, as if they expect newspapers to publish pictures of exploded heads and blown-off limbs. Believe me, a very brief search on your favourite gore site and you will find the "evidence" you claim doesn't exist, and you'll understand why news outlets tend not to run with that sort of material.

 

After every mass killing or terror attack, some clueless dolt thinks he's figured it all out and calls it a false flag, like they have some unique level of insight that us brainwashed fools just can't grasp. You are the worst kind of deluded; you're deluded not just about whatever event it is you're so masterfully deconstructing, but also about the delusion itself. You simply cannot entertain the idea that you might have got this one wrong, and you probably pat yourself on the back for being such a genius. 

[SpacedX]

10 minutes ago, Koke said:

Some conspiracy theories are not all that crazy tbh. 

Name them.

 

Those that have veracity are almost invariably quickly exposed as a consequence, are not contradictory, yield objectively scrutinised independently verifiable data, overwhelming empirical evidence and therefore cease to be conspiracy theories. 

 

Conspiracy theory is potential big business - and as the proponents of this nonsense are so fond of saying..."follow the money". You'll find that it's more likely to lead you to Alex Jones' £3m Texan Ranch or David Icke's next lucrative stateside arena tour than the names Bilderburg or Rothschild. 

 

11 minutes ago, Koke said:

 I'm not saying this one is a government conspiracy, but several governments worldwide have created false flags in the past. This is a fact.

 

Indeed - but there is no reason assume that every terrorist atrocity is staged simply because of Operation Northwoods.

[Carl the Llama]

Who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory?  I've spent many evenings on youtube working my way through the hundreds of videos with tags like 9/11 Egyptian Zionist aliens covered up by the FBI.  Trouble is they are by and large all complete guff, however interesting they may be.

I suspect the couple of people claiming it's a false flag know this which is why they've only posted anecdotes about a video that they saw instead of a link to the actual video.  It's because deep down they realise what they're looking at doesn't prove anything but they still want an excuse to stroke their ego about how aware they are and they don't want that shattered by logical-minded people pointing out how terrible their 'evidence' is.

[Voll Blau]

3 hours ago, sk3since03 said:

 You have your opinions i have mine

  

Seven wonderful words which mean you never have to admit you're wrong.

[The Doctor]

1 hour ago, Carl the Llama said:

Who doesn't love a good conspiracy theory?  I've spent many evenings on youtube working my way through the hundreds of videos with tags like 9/11 Egyptian Zionist aliens covered up by the FBI.  

Those videos are hilarious tbf - love the ones that just take random screencaps of spongebob, draw triangles all over it and say illuminati confirmed. But there's a difference between joke conspiracy videos (at least I hope they're jokes) and using the murder of a number of people to fuel an anti-government agenda.

[leicsmac]

12 minutes ago, The Doctor said:

Those videos are hilarious tbf - love the ones that just take random screencaps of spongebob, draw triangles all over it and say illuminati confirmed. But there's a difference between joke conspiracy videos (at least I hope they're jokes) and using the murder of a number of people to fuel an anti-government agenda.

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Yeah, pretty much this, though one tends to sometimes lead into the other - in the same way some 'jokes' become an echo of something much deeper and nastier.

 

All that being said...you only have to look at COINTELPRO and MKULTRA as two examples of really awful government-involved conspiracies that happen to be true, which of course makes things worse because it gives the paranoids something to point to.

[Merging Cultures]

19 hours ago, joachim1965 said:

100 % nothing about this adds up. 

If he was on the 32nd floor why is there video of muzzle flashes from the 4th and 10th floor. There was multiple shooters and this guy was killed and set up.

Wait, so the windows open? So there was no need to smash the windows? I guess the broke Paddock's windows to distract from their own positions? Or if the windows don't open (they don't), the "actual shooters" must have had time to remove them and then replace them from their positions on the 4th and 10th floor, with no one noticing? And no one heard shots from those floors and reported them? As they were Government they would have access to silencers I suppose. They must also have had a third person, who set his fire alarm off, reproduced the sound of shots, let some shots off from the 32nd floor, disabled the security cameras so they weren't seen and left before the SWAT team arrived (which seems to have been the easy part as it took them 72 mins to get there I think). 

 

Or alternatively, a guy with lots of guns wasn't happy with his life, brought a load of weapons into the hotel in suitcases, smashed the windows (because they don't open) and shot a load of people. 

 

100% doesn't add up. Smh.

[Jon the Hat]

9 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said:

Wait, so the windows open? So there was no need to smash the windows? I guess the broke Paddock's windows to distract from their own positions? Or if the windows don't open (they don't), the "actual shooters" must have had time to remove them and then replace them from their positions on the 4th and 10th floor, with no one noticing? And no one heard shots from those floors and reported them? As they were Government they would have access to silencers I suppose. They must also have had a third person, who set his fire alarm off, reproduced the sound of shots, let some shots off from the 32nd floor, disabled the security cameras so they weren't seen and left before the SWAT team arrived (which seems to have been the easy part as it took them 72 mins to get there I think). 

 

Or alternatively, a guy with lots of guns wasn't happy with his life, brought a load of weapons into the hotel in suitcases, smashed the windows (because they don't open) and shot a load of people. 

 

100% doesn't add up. Smh.

As if a logical sequence of events is going to convert a conspiracy twat.  

[Innovindil]

29 minutes ago, Merging Cultures said:

Wait, so the windows open? So there was no need to smash the windows? I guess the broke Paddock's windows to distract from their own positions? Or if the windows don't open (they don't), the "actual shooters" must have had time to remove them and then replace them from their positions on the 4th and 10th floor, with no one noticing? And no one heard shots from those floors and reported them? As they were Government they would have access to silencers I suppose. They must also have had a third person, who set his fire alarm off, reproduced the sound of shots, let some shots off from the 32nd floor, disabled the security cameras so they weren't seen and left before the SWAT team arrived (which seems to have been the easy part as it took them 72 mins to get there I think). 

 

Or alternatively, a guy with lots of guns wasn't happy with his life, brought a load of weapons into the hotel in suitcases, smashed the windows (because they don't open) and shot a load of people. 

 

100% doesn't add up. Smh.

They were using classified guns that can fire through glass without damaging it you government shill. 

 

 

[joachim1965]

4 hours ago, Jon the Hat said:

As if a logical sequence of events is going to convert a conspiracy twat.  

Lets get one thing straight, I am not a conspiracy twat thank you. The original reports were of multiple shooters, if you look at footage there are muzzle flashes from about the fourth floor, it just didn't seem to add up that one man could get all those weapons in to that hotel and not be seen. If I am wrong and have offended anyone then I sincerely apologise to anybody who took offence.I stand by my original statement that something does not seem right about this, that's all I am saying.

[Innovindil]

3 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

Lets get one thing straight, I am not a conspiracy twat thank you. The original reports were of multiple shooters, if you look at footage there are muzzle flashes from about the fourth floor, it just didn't seem to add up that one man could get all those weapons in to that hotel and not be seen. If I am wrong and have offended anyone then I sincerely apologise to anybody who took offence.I stand by my original statement that something does not seem right about this, that's all I am saying.

No, there is not. It takes all of 4 seconds to realise this and that is why people are calling you a bellend. Your eyes are seeing something that you want to see, not what is there. 

[Countryfox]

3 hours ago, Voll Blau said:

Seven wonderful words which mean you never have to admit you're wrong.

 

I wonder how many people counted them ...         just to make sure you were right ...          

[Jaspa]

19 minutes ago, joachim1965 said:

Lets get one thing straight, I am not a conspiracy twat thank you. The original reports were of multiple shooters, if you look at footage there are muzzle flashes from about the fourth floor, it just didn't seem to add up that one man could get all those weapons in to that hotel and not be seen. If I am wrong and have offended anyone then I sincerely apologise to anybody who took offence.I stand by my original statement that something does not seem right about this, that's all I am saying.

 

[Voll Blau]

1 hour ago, joachim1965 said:

Lets get one thing straight, I am not a conspiracy twat thank you. The original reports were of multiple shooters, if you look at footage there are muzzle flashes from about the fourth floor, it just didn't seem to add up that one man could get all those weapons in to that hotel and not be seen. If I am wrong and have offended anyone then I sincerely apologise to anybody who took offence.I stand by my original statement that something does not seem right about this, that's all I am saying.

That's pretty much always the case though with tragedies like this, because emergency services receive multiple and often differing initial reports in the minutes after from confused and frightened eyewitnesses. They'll always report it as possible multiple shooters until they know for sure that's not the case, because why risk it?

[urban.spaceman]

7 hours ago, sk3since03 said:

 You have your opinions i have mine

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You're welcome to your own opinion.

 

What you're not welcome to is your own facts.

 

It's your responsibility to understand the difference.