VAR

[yorkie1999]

Personally I think the threat of VAR will have more of an affect than the use of it.

[Super_horns]

If they did have the right to appeal decisions then managers would have to be wise and use it when appropriate....

 

Would that happen?

 

Wenger wasn't keen on VAR it seems despite being hard done by - because it might go against Arsenal if they got a contentious penalty ?

 

I fear we will just have the same sort "was it/wasn't it" type debate unless something was totally clear cut and needed to be corrected 

[Vacamion]

 

There is clearly a danger of Managers and players calling for a review, miming the TV screen.

 

Conte was at it.

 

It should be left to the officials. 

 

It's a bookable offence to interfere with the review, so it should be a red for miming the TV at the ref, telling him his job.

 

 

 

Edited 10 January 2018 by Vacamion

[Wymsey]

Feel that it's delaying the game overall, in increasing the amount of extra time due to it, but is needed to stop the potential controversies.

It may take a good while to both improve and get used to.

Edited 10 January 2018 by Wymeswold fox

[Super_horns]

Seems to be complains that the officials didn't signal that they were using it well enough..

 

Guess the TV boys want some sort of fancy arm waving and the rest probably to liven their product up!

 

The decisions were correct when used but you know that won't last for ever or as the Palace players and Conte showed won't be accepted straight away. 

[ajthefox]

On 04/01/2018 at 15:14, Tuna said:

It has to happen, you just have to look at the Lampard goal in the 2006 world cup for an instance where VAR would have cleared that up very quickly, and it is just ridiculous that within 30 seconds of that goal not being given, everyone in the stadium (and the world!) knew it was a goal.

 

It cannot be that difficult to have a system that will not disrupt the continuity of the game.

 

I definitely do not want a "Challenge" system that would just be abused by the likes of Mourinho and Warnock etc who would challenge everything, plus if you had say 3 challenges per match you'd still end up with incorrect decisions if you have used all your challenges.

 

I'd simply have the footage of the game relayed to the video assistant referee (s) and they can challenge any decision via earpiece to the referee or through the fourth official. Referees and linesmen referee as normal, but if they make a mistake, tell the ref, rectify it and then move on with the match.

 

I appreciate of course this sort of technology would probably be too expensive to implement in the lower leagues.

I'm sorry but this is such a retarded justification for not using challenges.

 

You're effectively saying that challenges might eradicate some things but won't eradicate every mistake so let's not even bother. Which is just plain daft. Nothing will ever get rid of all the mistakes refs make, that's impossible. And frankly, a few mistakes should be accepted here and there as part and parcel of the game - all of the officials are human after all.

 

The whole point of limited challenges is so that you make a judgement call based on how certain you are something is wrong, and how important the incident is. 

 

 

 

 

[Countryfox]

Just watched the Liverpool game where a pen was awarded when Mo Salah was 'fouled' ...    to me the other player touched him and as soon as he felt contact he threw himself to the ground ....     whilst many of you will say that contact was made (JUST !!!) ...   I believe we need to split this into two parts, the ref may decide to give a pen, although I thought it was very harsh, but ...    he still dived ...   absolutely blatant and cheating at its best.  Bit controversial I know but by NOT discouraging it we are in effect encouraging it.   

[keithweller]

VAR

 

What is it good for?

 

Absolutely nothing.

[TheUltimateWinner]

VAR is a fantastic concept, but what a stupid decision that was to overturn the Tottenham goal. Talk about a car crash from the VAR himself, what a stupid decision.

[Legend_in_blue]

That was a great advert to showcase how completely inept the system is.

[TheUltimateWinner]

Just now, Legend_in_blue said:

That was a great advert to showcase how completely inept the system is.

I agree with the concept, but it's being let down at the moment by speed, poor dececisions from the Refs themselves and inadequate accuracy (dodgy ****ing lines).

 

I'd much rather it be scratched off for another 5 seasons until the issues are rectified instead of it being rushed in like it is now.

[TheUltimateWinner]

The ref was right ontop of that, why would you need to overrule him when he had a perfect view and judged it not a foul? Ridiculous

 

 

[StanSP]

Ironically that should be a penalty I think. Moura is totally bodychecked and the defender goes out of his way to block him.

[TheUltimateWinner]

What a VARce

[Mark]

Terrible stuff this 

[TheUltimateWinner]

This is awful watching for football

[CollinsLCFC]

So much VAR drama in less than half an hour.

[StanSP]

good to see all the praise for VAR for getting the awarding of the penalty right when Trippier was fouled...

[Super_horns]

Is there a danger it will be over-used and officials become too reliant on VAR?

 

If they bring it in every week you can just see it being used for one incident one week and then not so the next which will lead to managers and players complaining much as they do now or appealing for it to be used.

 

I do think it can work and of course there will be issues early on but you are going to have to ground rules as to what exactly VAR can and cannot be used for.

[Ian Nacho]

VAR just needs ironing out. Fans will still boo the referee for the decisions even if it has been backed up by football that's just the nature of the sport. Replays don't need to be played on the screens, just text telling the fans what's happening and possibly an explanation from the referee on the tanoy.

[Super_horns]

Of course Old Trafford and Anfield for example don't have screens anyway!

 

Ones at Chelsea and Palace you could hardly see or read...

 

He could just do a signal as per rugby/cricket just to add more time to the whole process..

 

Just needs clear cut instructions on how VAR should be used and the officials ought not to be influenced by the players or managers which will no doubt happen if its rolled out weekly.

 

The real issue is that football doesn't always stop every time there is some sort of incident....

 

 

 

 

[Captain...]

I just find it incredible they would run such a public and poorly planned trial in the worlds oldest cup competition, International friendlies, sure, league cup early rounds, OK, but not the FA cup.

 

Anyway the trial should have been a season long review of all incidents in all PL games post game a panel of refs and VAR experts review all the big decisions and say a) what they would recommend to the ref if he didn’t see the incident and b) would they have reversed the refs on field call.

 

This could have been published and reviewed and even live trialled in a few meaningless end of season games if both clubs agree.

 

Putting it out there in such an untested unstructured poorly planned way, especially after it had similar issues in Germany and other tests has just lead to it being ridiculed.

[yorkie1999]

10 hours ago, Super_horns said:

Of course Old Trafford and Anfield for example don't have screens anyway!

 

Ones at Chelsea and Palace you could hardly see or read...

 

He could just do a signal as per rugby/cricket just to add more time to the whole process..

 

Just needs clear cut instructions on how VAR should be used and the officials ought not to be influenced by the players or managers which will no doubt happen if its rolled out weekly.

 

The real issue is that football doesn't always stop every time there is some sort of incident....

 

 

 

 

They do have advertising boards around the pitch though, just have VAR flash up on them, although i'm now leaning towards the "what a load of crap" camp and to be honest, i'd rather have shit refs than a perfect system and a robotic mentality towards it. 

Edited 1 March 2018 by yorkie1999

[ozleicester]

The problem remains... VAR still relies on someones interpretation. So now all that happens is the game is buggered for 2 minutes while a "referee a 100 Klms away gets it wrong

[TheUltimateWinner]

What I think is giving it such a poor rep this season is how poorly planned the implementation seems to be.

 

We aren't the first nation or sport to try and implement video reffing yet we seem like we are. Some of the mistakes have been comical and we haven't seemingly looked at how other countries or sports do it.

 

It's only recently that they thought people inside the stadium need to know what's happening, which should have been there from the start. Even now it isn't enough, it just flashes up VAR Review and once its reviewed no one knows what the decision was given for. It should be like in Rugby where they put on the in ground TV Screens what the decision was given for. It really isn't hard, yet we're making a right mess out of it.

 

And there still needs to be transparancy for the viewer at home, we shouldn't be relying on pundit referees trying to interpret what was given, we should be able to hear either the VAR or the referee explain what its been given for. 

 

It's almost like they've gone, here's the equipment, now do what you want with it to the referees. It doesn't seem like they've received any training at all.

Edited 1 March 2018 by TheUltimateWinner