RIP FA Cup

[somebum]

Watching all these bigger sides sending out the kids and reserves a la joker cola cup days of the 90s, it just reaffirms my belief that this so called 'major trophey' is nothing more than a crappy marketing ploy that no one below the big league really takes seriously any more.

 

sad to see but true, but it makes our decision to do it even more stupid. Why not make a fist of it who is ultimately responsible for this outrage

Edited 7 January 2018 by somebum

[lestajigs]

Just like us disgrace West Ham 

[copunk]

Have to agree, watching west ham at the minute and they've been worse then what we were yesterday 

[Soar Fox]

BBC have had a mare with their choice of TV games. 

[StanSP]

Just now, Steve_Walsh5 said:

BBC have had a mare with their choice of TV games. 

3 0-0s already  

 

Hopefully Forest/Arsenal and Brighton/Palace are more entertaining. 

[Loves2spooge]

I love turtles

Edited 7 January 2018 by Loves2spooge

[BenTheFox]

I know it's not going to happen, but I'd rather the FA cup winners get the last Champions League spot. 

[Matt]

If teams want a break i'd rather teams didn't enter these competitions instead of disrespecting them.

[Countryfox]

12 minutes ago, somebum said:

Watching all these bigger sides sending out the kids and reserves a la joker cola cup days of the 90s, it just reaffirms my belief that this so called 'major trophey' is nothing more than a crappy marketing ploy that no one below the big league really takes seriously any more.

 

sad to see but true, but it makes our decision to do it even more stupid. Why not make a fist of it who is ultimately responsible for this outrage

 

Sad but true indeed Bum ...   the only ones who take the FA cup seriously are the fans ..   I fully appreciate why it is not important as football now, especially premier league football, is big big business...  it is a real shame.   I’m not sure why people are really bothered about our match yesterday as we already knew the clubs intentions...   we had a massive chance to get to Wembley in ‘that other cup’ and sadly we let it go.   I’m not complaining..   it’s up to the owners and I absolutely understand ...    just sad. 

[Raw Dykes]

It is a shame. The reason it's happened is the huge amount of money the PL brings. Clubs have to sacrifice the cups in an effort to make sure they do as well as they can in the league.

 

It will only change if there's a bigger cash incentive from the cups or less of a difference in income between the top two divisions.

[David Hankey]

The FA Cup has been diminished long ago with EPL clubs putting out under-strength teams with some not bothering at all if they get knocked out. You only have to look at Leicester City's starting line up yesterday.

[BenTheFox]

Just now, David Hankey said:

The FA Cup has been diminished long ago with EPL clubs putting out under-strength teams with some not bothering at all if they get knocked out. You only have to look at Leicester City's starting line up yesterday.

The thing is though, our starting line-up yesterday cost over £70 million. Puel thought the side was good enough to win the game and if we did win the game yesterday, would it not have been considered great squad management?

[KFS]

It's just premier league cup by the time it gets to the quarters anyway, and everyone is happy with that.

[David Hankey]

3 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

The thing is though, our starting line-up yesterday cost over £70 million. Puel thought the side was good enough to win the game and if we did win the game yesterday, would it not have been considered great squad management?

But we didn't win!! I agree great tactics if you can get away with it.

[Dan]

27 minutes ago, copunk said:

Have to agree, watching west ham at the minute and they've been worse then what we were yesterday 

The sad thing is I don't think they have. They have been awful but still better than we were.

 

 

27 minutes ago, Steve_Walsh5 said:

BBC have had a mare with their choice of TV games. 

They have and what a sickener. Better TV picks on paper than the usual crap yet we know full well they'll revert to that next round now.

[grobyfox1990]

I like the fa cup, especially the away days to grounds you wouldn't usually visit, but I totally understand where prem clubs come from by resting teams. There's more money to be made from finishing 15th over 16th, and if fans want the best players at the club, this is what pays for it. Until there's serious money to be made, only league 1 and below clubs will take it seriously 

 

Have to admit I wasnt bothered walking out of Millwall having lost last season knowing a trip to sevilla was coming up.

Edited 7 January 2018 by grobyfox1990
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[Kitchandro]

6 minutes ago, Raw Dykes said:

It is a shame. The reason it's happened is the huge amount of money the PL brings. Clubs have to sacrifice the cups in an effort to make sure they do as well as they can in the league.

 

It will only change if there's a bigger cash incentive from the cups or less of a difference in income between the top two divisions.

Actually, they don't have to. They choose to. And I don't need to tell you that there is no direct correlation between cup runs and bad league form, you already knew that.

 

A lot of managers lack the courage to go for real glory and the moral fibre to think about the club's fans, they only care about their reputations and collecting the huge amount of money they earn.

 

The managers of clubs in the top 2 divisions are primarily to blame, and that in tandem with the owners greed has ruined the competition. The money men only care about the FA Cup when they can squeeze a few extra quid out of ticket prices and that doesn't help either. Crowds are low these days because who will pay that much for a game that is essentially treated like a reserve match?

 

I'm not as passive on this issue as some people seem to be. Managers, and chairmen infact, have a responsibility to try and achieve success and success is trophies. If they treat the cups with no respect, as our manager is doing, then he should be absolutely slaughtered for it. The only reason these people have a job is because we exist so our aspirations for the club are important.

[Karljohn]

FA Cup was dead years ago, United's choice to play in World club cup, Semi finals at Wembley and failure to enforce a minimum number of regular players have all contributed. 

[Kitchandro]

9 minutes ago, BenTheFox said:

The thing is though, our starting line-up yesterday cost over £70 million. Puel thought the side was good enough to win the game and if we did win the game yesterday, would it not have been considered great squad management?

This is a pointless hypothetical.

 

We didn't win the game because we weren't good enough to win the game. We weren't good enough to win the game because the team he put out was extremely poor. It lacked any pace and there was no tactical idea of how we were going to score goals. Slimani on his own without anyone to cross it onto his head? How was that going to work?

 

If we'd have got a lucky goal at the end or scored from a set piece I'd say we were lucky, I wouldn't say it was great management because we didn't create chances and were frankly second best.

 

The cost of the team is irrelevant - did he think that team was going to beat Fleetwood comfortably? I certainly didn't, and I don't think he did either. If he did, then he should be sacked immediately for being incompetent. The truth is though, he knew it was a risk. Of course he did. He just didn't care.

 

It certainly wasn't the best team he could have put out, meaning he wasn't that bothered if we lost. Would he have needed to 'rest' players if he was in the situation we were in in March/April 2015 and it was a league match? No, they'd be miraculously fit for every match (proper injuries aside).

 

 

[Sunbury Fox]

People say that if you are going for promotion or a title you need to prioritise the league over the Cup, and same if you are fighting relegation. I get that. But why is a club pretty much guaranteed safety in the league and with very little chance of finishing much higher than our current position not prioritising the Cup? It's our only chance of actually winning something this season. 

Edited 7 January 2018 by Sunbury Fox

[RODNEY FERNIO]

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25 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

The FA Cup has been diminished long ago with EPL clubs putting out under-strength teams with some not bothering at all if they get knocked out. You only have to look at Leicester City's starting line up yesterday.

 

The total prize money for the FA cup this year is about £13.5 million ... the winner doesn't pocket  much more than

a win in the the Champions League group stage and the runner up less. The money involved is even peanuts to

Championship sides.

 

I'm afraid money talks ..  FA Cup Third round day ( when all the ties were played at 3 pm on a Saturday ) used to 

be one of the magical days in the sporting calendar ....now it has as much allure as the Badminton horse trials. 

[Nalis]

2 minutes ago, Sunbury Fox said:

People say that if you are going for promotion or a title you need to prioritise the league over the Cup, and same if you are fighting relegation. I get that. But why is a club pretty much guaranteed safety in the league and with very little chance of finishing much higher than our current position not prioritising the Cup? It's our only chance of actually winning something this season. 

 

I can only put it down to us playing 4 games in 10 days or whatever it was. No excuses for the replay or 4th round onwards.

[BenTheFox]

16 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

This is a pointless hypothetical.

 

We didn't win the game because we weren't good enough to win the game. We weren't good enough to win the game because the team he put out was extremely poor. It lacked any pace and there was no tactical idea of how we were going to score goals. Slimani on his own without anyone to cross it onto his head? How was that going to work?

 

If we'd have got a lucky goal at the end or scored from a set piece I'd say we were lucky, I wouldn't say it was great management because we didn't create chances and were frankly second best.

 

The cost of the team is irrelevant - did he think that team was going to beat Fleetwood comfortably? I certainly didn't, and I don't think he did either. If he did, then he should be sacked immediately for being incompetent. The truth is though, he knew it was a risk. Of course he did. He just didn't care.

 

It certainly wasn't the best team he could have put out, meaning he wasn't that bothered if we lost. Would he have needed to 'rest' players if he was in the situation we were in in March/April 2015 and it was a league match? No, they'd be miraculously fit for every match (proper injuries aside).

 

 

Have a day off mate. 

[Domsdad]

Great game going on down the road. Forest beating Arsenal reserves 2-1!

[Super_horns]

Yesterday quite a few teams played stronger sides I think but maybe to boost confidence like us and Southampton.

 

But yes teams aren't that bothered really till the latter stages.

 

Mind you then these managers then moan about another game as Conte did!

 

Well play the strongest side possible and win the first tie!

 

Like Man U and Spurs did..