Time to Control Social Media and Internet usage

[Countryfox]

1 minute ago, Buce said:

 

Lack of awareness that it exists, perhaps? Or an assumption that it’s too complicated for them?

 

I wouldn’t regard myself as tech savvy by any means - hell, I have to get the missus to change the clock on the microwave - but I find the software simple to use. 

 

I think most kids can run rings round their parents though Bucey .....

[NorthfieldsFox]

Just now, orangecity23 said:

The slight problem with that, as the Cambridge Analytica and Facebook story recently has shown, is what risks the social media site having access to your proof of address and passport information will do. We have already seen Facebook has very little regard for the security of it's users information, CA harvested enormous amounts of data not just from people who took a quiz, but also from their contacts! Any kind of verification like that needs to be carried out by a trustworthy organization - probably the government. But as the soon to be implemented porn restrictions have shown they won't be doing that - but farming it out to extremely untrustworthy, insecure 3rd party companies. CA managed to engage in election tampering with the info they gathered from Facebook in its current form. God knows what the other dodgy companies and fraudsters could do if they got their hands on people's addresses and passport information. Basically you are handing over all the info needed to set up a bank account or borrow money in your name to a company with a sketchy record of handing that info over to advertisers and fraudsters.

 

You have the freedom to speed in your car, and that's illegal - the reason you don't is because you might get caught, and because you know it's illegal. Content on the internet should be the responsibility of the people who host it, and the people who upload it. Which it is. People who upload illegal child porn, or copyright infringing content, or revenge porn, get caught, and get punished. I think what we need is much improved moderation on Social Media - there obviously is difficulties in policing such huge amounts of content. Also, clearly there are issues around resourcing the efforts to catch people putting up illegal content, which need more work. I must admit social media isn't really so much of my concern, given that I don't really use it. But I would be extremely wary of what restrictions our government would put in place, given their previous track records of abusing the law for wide scale data collection, inept implementation of new regulations with regards to the internet and the substantial effect lobbyists for large media companies have on our politicians (Rupert Murdoch et al).

 

 

 

No restrictions 

 

simple prove your age , prove who you are and where you live 

 

to have an email or social media account and retrospectively apply the law to all accounts in existence 

 

would create thousands of Jobs by the way and be excellent for the economy 

[nnfox]

Just now, Buce said:

 

Lack of awareness that it exists, perhaps? Or an assumption that it’s too complicated for them?

 

I wouldn’t regard myself as tech savvy by any means - hell, I have to get the missus to change the clock on the microwave - but I find the software simple to use. 

I think you are right.  Also, there is a lot out there so perhaps too much choice?

 

It raises an entirely different question too, around what is the best way of protecting our own children? Restricting and monitoring their use, or teaching them about the dangers and giving them some trust.  A topic for another day methinks.

[Countryfox]

2 minutes ago, nnfox said:

I think you are right.  Also, there is a lot out there so perhaps too much choice?

 

It raises an entirely different question too, around what is the best way of protecting our own children? Restricting and monitoring their use, or teaching them about the dangers and giving them some trust.  A topic for another day methinks.

Try your best to teach them right from wrong and give them some sort of moral compass ...   you won't be around all the time ...

[Mike Oxlong]

If my ISP gets hacked and my  search history made public I’m going to have to go some to convince my Mrs that I have a casual interest in the podiatry of the dromedary. 

Edited 8 April 2018 by Mike Oxlong

[Buce]

1 minute ago, nnfox said:

 

 

It raises an entirely different question too, around what is the best way of protecting our own children? Restricting and monitoring their use, or teaching them about the dangers and giving them some trust.  A topic for another day methinks.

 

I combine the two. She has more freedom and more awareness than when she was thirteen. 

 

They teach internet safety at her school too - not sure if that’s widespread but it should be. 

[Buce]

11 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

 

I think most kids can run rings round their parents though Bucey .....

 

Indeed. 

 

Which is why I put my trust in software written by people that kids can’t run rings around. 

[Strokes]

25 minutes ago, nnfox said:

There are people out there who have children and don't even know what an email address is.  Try telling them it's simple to use. And if it was that simple why do a tiny minority of people use them? 

 

Please explain how your internet usage would be hampered?

 

And I view it as safeguarding people. People doing wrong get punished.

You understand you’re telling me I can’t have a account on social media that’s secret or discreet. I basically have to be verified but people from anywhere else in the world can do whatever they like. Of course that’s restrictive and it would also leave our vital information in the hands of international tech companies that have shown no regard or responsibility to be able to keep such things safe.

Not that I use social media, it’s full of twats.

[Strokes]

14 minutes ago, NorthfieldsFox said:

No restrictions 

 

simple prove your age , prove who you are and where you live 

 

to have an email or social media account and retrospectively apply the law to all accounts in existence 

 

would create thousands of Jobs by the way and be excellent for the economy 

How do you enforce that this applies to the rest of the world? And if it doesn’t, what’s to stop someone using a VPN to get around the registration?

[Countryfox]

3 minutes ago, Buce said:

 

Indeed. 

 

Which is why I put my trust in software written by people that kids can’t run rings around. 

 

You mean even smarter kids ...  

[NorthfieldsFox]

10 minutes ago, Strokes said:

How do you enforce that this applies to the rest of the world? And if it doesn’t, what’s to stop someone using a VPN to get around the registration?

That’s down to the providers to police and manage 

 

People will always try and break rules , but that shouldn’t stop you having rules 

[Strokes]

4 minutes ago, NorthfieldsFox said:

That’s down to the providers to police and manage 

 

People will always try and break rules , but that shouldn’t stop you having rules 

It should if those rules are only providing negative outcomes.

[Mr Mister]

Never. This is Nazism.

[Stadt]

Policing the internet is impossible, there's always ways around restrictions.

[potter3]

1 hour ago, NorthfieldsFox said:

No restrictions 

 

simple prove your age , prove who you are and where you live 

 

to have an email or social media account and retrospectively apply the law to all accounts in existence 

 

would create thousands of Jobs by the way and be excellent for the economy 

 

It's basically impossible to police email accounts in this way. While it'd be possible to set up for social media accounts since they are effectively closed systems, I very much doubt these companies would employ thousands of people to manually verify accounts.

[leicsmac]

58 minutes ago, Wookie said:

Policing the internet is impossible, there's always ways around restrictions.

Pretty much this. No digital system is infallible - the Chinese do their damnedest and still, you can get around it.

[Carl the Llama]

2 hours ago, NorthfieldsFox said:

Yes every platform must register and pay associated fee’s would mean easy to tax these cowboys as well 

 

the law would say and confirm what would constitute social media or social interaction online and to open one of those accounts you must produce 

 

1) passport/driving licence 

2) utility bill or similar 

 

 

You've said this about a thousand times now, on any of those times have you considered the case where you have no passport, don't drive and your name isn't on the bills -perhaps because you rent from a private landlord or live in a house share or whatever?

 

Also you keep talking about social media specifically, does that mean there'd be no passport sharing for access to porn-only sites where there is no social interaction aspect?  That would defeat the purpose of what you're suggesting here don't you think?

 

Frankly I find the whole idea too authoritarian by far and poorly thought out to boot.

[ozleicester]

 

 

its like stop and search...but on the internet, nothing to worry about 

Edited 9 April 2018 by ozleicester

[Captain...]

9 hours ago, Buce said:

 

No offence, but when my daughter was thirteen she didn’t have unfettered use of the internet, so that situation would never have occurred. Even now at fifteen, I have software installed to protect her from herself and others. It’s for parents to protect their children, not sweeping laws that take away everyone’s liberties. Allowing governments to police the internet goes against everything I stand for. 

Did she have friends? Did all of them have equally responsible and tech savvy parents? In the same we as kids had a mate whose parents would let us watch 18 films/drink/smoke weed at their house or not care enough to stop us the same will be for internet access. Almost by limiting what your kids can see you can stimulate their curiosity and when a friend, a friend’s older brother, a friends older brother’s dodgy mate says they can show them what they’re missing out on it can be quite seductive.

 

I’ve had similar thoughts about this as @NorthfieldsFox and whilst you can’t regulate the internet you can create a safeweb where websites need to be verified as safe and any user comments can only be posted by verified members. Or there is a gap for a social media platform that does verify and check user credentials, you take away the anonymity and people might not change their behaviour but they can at least be held accountable for it.

[Buce]

34 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Did she have friends? Did all of them have equally responsible and tech savvy parents? In the same we as kids had a mate whose parents would let us watch 18 films/drink/smoke weed at their house or not care enough to stop us the same will be for internet access. Almost by limiting what your kids can see you can stimulate their curiosity and when a friend, a friend’s older brother, a friends older brother’s dodgy mate says they can show them what they’re missing out on it can be quite seductive.

 

I’ve had similar thoughts about this as @NorthfieldsFox and whilst you can’t regulate the internet you can create a safeweb where websites need to be verified as safe and any user comments can only be posted by verified members. Or there is a gap for a social media platform that does verify and check user credentials, you take away the anonymity and people might not change their behaviour but they can at least be held accountable for it.

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Tbh, I'm not willing to take part in this discussion any longer. I sense that people take it personally and get defensive as if I'm being somehow critical of them as parents if I say that I do certain things to keep my kid safe, and they don't do those things.

 

All I will say is that I take full responsibility for my child's safety, both online and in the physical world.

[Finnegan]

9 hours ago, NorthfieldsFox said:

That’s down to the providers to police and manage 

 

People will always try and break rules , but that shouldn’t stop you having rules 

 

A bit like foxes talk has rules about duplicate accounts and the like. 

[Guest MattP]

Have no problem with Facebook or Twitter demanding ID for an account, I actually think that would be a positive and would stop a lot of the trolling we now see, that shouldn't mean they have a right to access your data or personal information, but you also don't have a right to anonymity when using a service.

 

Anonymous trolls are a cancer, if you rang people up or sent them letters in the post to abuse them you would quite rightly be chased by the law enforcement, the internet has given an anonymous platform to some warped people to hide in their parents basement and insult people like they would never dare in "real life" - these people need exposing for what they are.

 

Although what is far more concerning about the Internet is the spread of fake news and how there is no regulation for it whatsoever, I know of more than one person that believes nothing they see or hear now apart from things shared from www.cannibiscurescancer.com or www.thepopebackstrump.com etc - even to the point of believing the most outrageous conspiracy theories about the a flat earth - how this is clamped down on and the authors held to account as any normal journalist should be I don't know, but it's a problem that's only getting bigger.

[davieG]

10 hours ago, NorthfieldsFox said:

No , sorry if reads like that 

 

all I’m asking for is to open a social media account or get an email address 

 

you have to provide 

 

1) passport or driving licence 

2) utility bill (proof of address) 

 

simple as that no more no less 

Isn't that all you need to open a bank account in your name which could then be used to buy stuff and launder money?

[Innovindil]

**** no. 

 

My anonymity shouldn't be taken away just because others abuse it. 

[Captain...]

1 hour ago, Buce said:

 

Tbh, I'm not willing to take part in this discussion any longer. I sense that people take it personally and get defensive as if I'm being somehow critical of them as parents if I say that I do certain things to keep my kid safe, and they don't do those things.

 

All I will say is that I take full responsibility for my child's safety, both online and in the physical world.

Mate, no criticism of you sounds like you do everything you can, but there is only so much you can do as a parent, there are so many factors outside of your control. I look at it this way, you can teach your kid to drive safely, sensibly, and never drink a drop of alcohol, but that doesn't mean some pissed up cvnt won't drive his car into theirs. That's why we need a government regulations and police to protect us from the things we can't control. In the same way innocent victims are caught up in a US school shooting that may have it's roots in cyber bullying.

 

The point about it being seductive was just a general point that you ban kids from things they will find a way, we all did, and at the moment I imagine there are plenty of kids with unfettered access to the internet all too willing to show off and it is probably all too easy for a child to access something their parents don't want them to through their friends. Parents aren't forced to control and monitor their kids internet activity and the internet is very readily and easily accessible, so you doing your job doesn't mean that everyone is which is why regulation and control may be necessary, you can't rely on every one of your kid's friends parents having the same approach to internet safety.